Speculation: Would Andersen clear waivers?

[LondonKendrick]

Huh, I was under the impression the Leafs had completely exchanged the front office making those decisions and evaluations. Odd, I could have sworn...

Seriously, Leafs fans could point at Raycroft, Toskala and Bernier and use that against acquiring any goalie, ever.

All those tenders were scouted by professionals, all were 1A tandem goaltenders were consensus emerging good to above average starters acquired by trade.

The point to be repeated is that they are complete gambles because you're better off signing a goaltender you've seen play for your team, that had success within your organization. Of course the exception is elite talent but Andersen isn't that, Toskala is as perfect a parallel that exists for Andersen.

But deny reality.

 

[La Bamba]

Edmonton, Ottawa, Florida, New Jersey, Winnipeg, and Carolina have the space.

Of those I could see Ottawa and carolina trying to pick him up. Maybe winnipeg too.

Realistically, I could only see Winnipeg and definitely Carolina picking him up. MAYBE Ottawa with an older Anderson and a question mark with Hammond.

 

[Vipers31]

2. Anaheim fans, where he was a fan favorite who they exaggerated, obvious bias

He was a platooning starting goalie, with the heir apparent waiting in line. He was liked and respected, but calling him a fan favourite would be saying too much. But anything to discredit diverging opinions.

All unbias other 28 fanbase (+1 for Vegas) wouldn't touch that contract.

Who cares which fanbases would touch it? Nobody's building an opinion on whether a fanbase would do anything - given the average hockey IQ of any fanbase, that's a great recipe for disaster.

But, since you're now answering your own thread's question while superficially declaring anyone else biased, I suppose this thread can as well be locked.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Wasn't the the point of the trade, to upgrade the goaltending? That's not a contradict. The blueline is young and you're ducking the point that every other goaltender behind the same goaltender has played better than Andersen.

Mike Babcock is the problem now? The should retool their entire structure to accommodate the biggest contract on the team in Andersen? If that's the case then Andersen isn't worth what he is paid and it was a horrible trade from the get go.

If this exchange is going to continue, start naming names of the problem on the Leafs blueline, adds some context to your point.

I could include a few names. Gardiner, Marincin, and Reilly have all had issues that led to goals against thus far but I wouldn't sit here and say that they need to be dealt. The term mid-season form is something to remember here. Only being a half dozen games into the year isn't going to put you in there and there are adjustments people have to make when dealing with different goalies and the goalie dealing with a different system.

I don't think anyone ought to suggest retooling anything for the Leafs. Just to show some patience and give them more time to figure it out.

 

[Rufus]

Not looking for why the Leafs wouldn't grand standing.

Just simply put, would Andersen clear waivers if put on today?

-Edit, things I should of clarified by didn't think I'd have to....

1. Would you want him and that contract on your team for nothing, I get that clearing space is an issue mid season, the question is meant more on how negative is Andersen's value. Asking other fanbases, would you want him for nothing?

2. For people calling panic, there was, myself included a lot of Leaf fans that cringed at this deal from day one and not the least bit surprised by Toskala's, I mean Andersen's failure. Being proven right isn't panicking-

So you are proclaiming yourself a genius because Anderson hasn't been a good goalie in the first 8 games he's been on a new team? Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back

 

[Canada4Gold]

Stop, now

 

[Vipers31]

All those tenders were scouted by professionals, all were 1A tandem goaltenders were consensus emerging good to above average starters acquired by trade.

So, it doesn't matter that the professionals who did the scouting changed? Every scout is equal? That's... something.

The point to be repeated is that they are complete gambles (...)

But they aren't. Just because you are incapable of judging a goalie's abilities, and because the past Leafs' management have failed a few times doesn't mean it's objectively impossible. That's beyond ignorant.

But deny reality.

I have no reason to deny a reality that would suck virtually exclusively for the team you follow.

 

[Skobel24]

Andersen went from a good defensive system with plenty of experienced veterans to support him, to a new system with **** defense and little experience. Andersen is a better goalie that his numbers show, he'll pick it up. He needs to work on his rebound control though. Dude reminds me of Dan Cloutier right now.

 

[Dustin]

Can we close this? OP asked a question, multiple people have stated that some teams would take a flyer on him. Then he decides to answer his own question by stating all Toronto and Anaheim fans can't be trusted due to their relationship with said player and that he already knows what the other 28 teams would do.

Was thread opened just to hear yourself talk or did you want actual dialogue?

 

[Incetardis]

All this negativity towards Andersen is mainly a result of the echo chamber that is the toronto sports media. Has he been good? Nope. But have you seen the fire drill in front of him most games this year? I've watched every game and most of his goals against were off rebounds or through screens. Thats how you score on nhl goaltending. Could he be better? Of course but is there anyone who think he won't as he gets used to the system and the players in front of him. The defense needs to tighten up and you know babs will make sure of that. He'll be around the league average in goaltending stats by the end of the year and at 5mil thats what you would hope for.

 

[Bouboumaster]

This thread is hilarious

 

[pheasant]

Can't believe this ****.

This garbage thread is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as fans overreacting to Andersen. There have been posters calling him "Ander-sieve", and even real reporters pushing goaltending complaints on Babcock, even after Babs scolded them about it being too early. One thread had people discussing how Andersen's contract could turn out worse than Clarkson's.

Nothing will stop the crazies in T.O. from blaming the goalie. I don't know if it's because some still love Reimer, or even Bernier. Or if they assume a goalie has to look like CuJo, Belfour, and Potvin, stealing every win the team gets.

To be totally honest, I think some are still angry that he lost game 1 after Matthews 4 goal debut. And now they're just blind hating.

He hasn't been good. He cost them game 1, and he got lit up for 7 the last time out. But he's gotten points in each game except 1. Most goals against aren't entirely his fault. And it's still early. Stop this madness.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Someone would give him a shot. His track record is worthy of another shot.

There would be teams lining up to give him a shot if he were a free agent or on a one year deal. This isn't to say he won't bounce back with the Leafs, it has been a very small sample size. But teams cannot take a risk on an under performing goalie signed to a 5x5 deal. There's also not many teams who really need a starter that badly. There are a few that might pull the trigger on an upgrade for an elite goalie, but not a starter like Andersen.

Realistically, I could only see Winnipeg and definitely Carolina picking him up. MAYBE Ottawa with an older Anderson and a question mark with Hammond.

Ottawa wouldn't touch that contract. A budget team has very little margin for error. They simply couldn't afford to risk adding an under performing goalie to a 5x5 contract. I can't see the Sens being foolish enough to commit to a goalie like that at this point without seeing how he fits under their team. They went out of their way to acquire Anderson at the deadline instead of just signing him outright later on. They also have Driedger in the system who is seen as maybe being 2 years away, so I don't think they'd want to be tied down to Andersen for 5 years.

Winnipeg has a deep prospect of goalies and has money devoted to Pavelec in the minors. No way they go after another goalie unless it is an elite guy.

 

[tfong]

OP would probably waive Carey Price if he had a bad streak of games with no D

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

No team should want that contract. With that said I think Carolina and Calgary would claim it (can they afford to?, how would that work?).

 

[Mugzy97]

This is brutal and embarrassing. The guy is 6 games into a 5 year contract and he isn't being waived because we need him. Close this down.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah, I think all the productive comments that are going to appear in this thread have already been made.

Closed.