Speculation: Would Andersen clear waivers?

[eternalbedhead]

Already?

 

[LondonKendrick]

So should we just take all small sample sizes and base our opinions on it? It's not a free pass, it's using your head.

Again that assuming that fans weren't split about this deal from day one.

It being soon isn't the point I'm trying to make, I'm asking if this is our last chance to easily dispose of him before he's that Leafs bust in every other proposal on this site, is it 10 more games? 20? 30?

 

[SpezDispenser]

Edmonton, Ottawa, Florida, New Jersey, Winnipeg, and Carolina have the space.

Of those I could see Ottawa and carolina trying to pick him up. Maybe winnipeg too.

Uh...no thanks from Ottawa.

 

[belair]

It's the same blueline as last year and the Leafs looked pretty good defensively. Letting in 7 goals on 17 shots and you hang it on the blueline?

He was traded for and gifted a contract to stabilize the youth, not the other way around.

I get other fans did but I never criticized Bernier because I saw him play amazing in his first year as a starter, Reimer ran hot and cold but was decent. I've never seen a worst performance than Andersen, he over plays every shot. It's not the blueline.

No.

But I have to admit I'm not quite certain why a team so far from competitiveness would put all of their eggs in one basket at this point.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Just listing a bunch of former failed goalies doesn't mean much. Bernier actually was the furthest thing from a mistake for the Leafs, until he broke down mentally last year - after the season started with a Bronx cheer in his home opener. Leaf Nation definitely has a way to mess with a goalie's mental game. I don't think Andersen will be as fragile as Bernier turned out to be last year.

Um, no they're perfect parallels, the Leafs trading propects and/or picks for a promising tadem 1A RFA goaltender from contending teams. You see the problem is that unless you're trading for an elite talent you don't know what you're really getting because you haven't seen that goaltender play on your team.

Bernier came to Toronto and stood on his head for a year, more than can be said for Andersen.

He won a Jennings though, bfd

 

[Sojourn]

It's the same blueline as last year and the Leafs looked pretty good defensively. Letting in 7 goals on 17 shots and you hang it on the blueline?

He was traded for and gifted a contract to stabilize the youth, not the other way around.

I get other fans did but I never criticized Bernier because I saw him play amazing in his first year as a starter, Reimer ran hot and cold but was decent. I've never seen a worst performance than Andersen, he over plays every shot. It's not the blueline.

...and that's a good thing? They were one of the worst teams in GAA. That isn't really a point in your favor. You're essentially saying that they were poor defensively last season, and they should be poor defensively this season, but the goaltender is to blame. Sure, that makes sense. No holes in that logic.

Well, considering that "7 goals on 17 shots" is without any real context, I'd probably say both the defense and the goaltender responsible. I've only watched 3 Toronto games, but based on what I saw, that was, in fact, the case. Andersen needed to be better, but he was also getting hung out to dry.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

He wouldn't clear, but I don't know who would have the cap space to claim him. Maybe Arizona? Although I can't imagine they'd want to spend $11 million on goalies.

It'd be different if he was on an expiring contract, but I can't see anybody claiming him with 5 years and 5M per left on his deal. It'd be an absurd risk. A team would have to be VERY confident that he could bounce back.

 

[Vipers31]

Um, no they're perfect parallels, the Leafs trading propects and/or picks for a promising tadem 1A RFA goaltender from contending teams. You see the problem is that unless you're trading for an elite talent you don't know what you're really getting because you haven't seen that goaltender play on your team.

Well, that's the problem for someone with no knowledge of goaltending and no ability to scout a goaltender; yes, those people do not know what they're getting. Thankfully, that's not the type of people that make decisions. The Leafs knew what they were getting. They were certainly hoping for a better stretch to start his career in Toronto, but other than that, nothing happened.

 

[Goose of Reason]

Lol yeah ditch him after he comes back from injury to play the worst 5 game stretch of his career, sounds good.

 

[LondonKendrick]

...and that's a good thing? They were one of the worst teams in GAA. That isn't really a point in your favor. You're essentially saying that they were poor defensively last season, and they should be poor defensively this season, but the goaltender is to blame. Sure, that makes sense. No holes in that logic.

Well, considering that "7 goals on 17 shots" is without any real context, I'd probably say both the defense and the goaltender responsible. I've only watched 3 Toronto games, but based on what I saw, that was, in fact, the case. Andersen needed to be better, but he was also getting hung out to dry.

You're actually making my point that Andersen is completely at the mercy of the team in front of him, he's garden variety filler. The point is the Leafs invested in upgrading in goal and have worst goaltending with a marginally better (bit more seasoned young) blueline. The blueline is the constant, the goaltending has changed, the GAA is way up. The logic is sound, again as per usually we can get beyond you being offended by it.

Andersen hangs himself out to dry when he over plays the shot and is out of position.

 

[Sojourn]

You're actually making my point that Andersen is completely at the mercy of the team in front of him, he's garden variety filler. The point is the Leafs invested in upgrading in goal and have worst goaltending with a marginally better (bit more seasoned young) blueline. The blueline is the constant, the goaltending has changed, the GAA is way up. The logic is sound, again as per usually we can get beyond you being offended by it.

Andersen hangs himself out to dry when he over plays the shot and is out of position.

The GAA is based on a very small sample size, and you're contradicting yourself here.

If the blue line is the common factor here, and it's consistently poor, how can you expect goaltending to fix it? Without bringing in someone like Carey Price, those expectations are absurd.

As for Andersen overplaying shots, it's funny that this seems to be a Toronto problem. If it's true that Babcock is asking Andersen to change his style, you should definitely be placing some of that responsibility on him too. There's enough blame to go around here. Andersen, Babcock, and the blue line.

Edit: Look, it's really simple, an average NHL starter isn't going to carry you, and the team in front of them matters. The defense was poor last season. It's poor now. That's the common theme here. Responsibility here is spread throughout, and yes, Andersen definitely deserves his share of blame. You simply can't ask a goaltender to play a different game, fail to give him proper defensive support, and then act surprised when he struggles. That's asinine. Babcock is playing it right, and waiting to see how things look deeper into the season.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

If a team had cap space and needed a goalie, they could probably get Howard from Detroit and either some salary retained or a pick/prospect given for taking him. Plus his contract is shorter.

No one would take Andersen.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

babcock needs to stop ****ing with this guy, why would you trade for a starting goalie, then try to change the way he plays. so dumb

 

[Dustin]

To me this sounds like somebody's favourite player was traded away because he wasn't good enough and now the new player is also struggling thus validating how you felt about the previous player and the new player.

 

[MMC]

Why does it not surprise me at all that someone was big enough of an idiot to make this thread?

 

[LondonKendrick]

The GAA is based on a very small sample size, and you're contradicting yourself here.

If the blue line is the common factor here, and it's consistently poor, how can you expect goaltending to fix it? Without bringing in someone like Carey Price, those expectations are absurd.

As for Andersen overplaying shots, it's funny that this seems to be a Toronto problem. If it's true that Babcock is asking Andersen to change his style, you should definitely be placing some of that responsibility on him too. There's enough blame to go around here. Andersen, Babcock, and the blue line.

Edit: Look, it's really simple, an average NHL starter isn't going to carry you, and the team in front of them matters. The defense was poor last season. It's poor now. That's the common theme here. Responsibility here is spread throughout, and yes, Andersen definitely deserves his share of blame. You simply can't ask a goaltender to play a different game, fail to give him proper defensive support, and then act surprised when he struggles. That's asinine. Babcock is playing it right, and waiting to see how things look deeper into the season.

Wasn't the the point of the trade, to upgrade the goaltending? That's not a contradict. The blueline is young and you're ducking the point that every other goaltender behind the same goaltender has played better than Andersen.

Mike Babcock is the problem now? The should retool their entire structure to accommodate the biggest contract on the team in Andersen? If that's the case then Andersen isn't worth what he is paid and it was a horrible trade from the get go.

If this exchange is going to continue, start naming names of the problem on the Leafs blueline, adds some context to your point.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Well, that's the problem for someone with no knowledge of goaltending and no ability to scout a goaltender; yes, those people do not know what they're getting. Thankfully, that's not the type of people that make decisions. The Leafs knew what they were getting. They were certainly hoping for a better stretch to start his career in Toronto, but other than that, nothing happened.

Same can be said for Raycroft, Toskala and Bernier...

 

[LondonKendrick]

Uh...no thanks from Ottawa.

See, this is how another fanbase reacts as the prospect of being handing Andersen

It'd be different if he was on an expiring contract, but I can't see anybody claiming him with 5 years and 5M per left on his deal. It'd be an absurd risk. A team would have to be VERY confident that he could bounce back.

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Lol yeah ditch him after he comes back from injury to play the worst 5 game stretch of his career, sounds good.

Ignore the context that he's less than useless when he's not behind arguably the best blueline in the league?

To me this sounds like somebody's favourite player was traded away because he wasn't good enough and now the new player is also struggling thus validating how you felt about the previous player and the new player.

And that player is??? Leafs haven't had a good goaltender since Belfour. They've had a couple average ones.

Why does it not surprise me at all that someone was big enough of an idiot to make this thread?

Another person offended but can't articulate a point...

 

[al secord]

This place seems to be a breeding ground for maroons.

 

[LondonKendrick]

If a team had cap space and needed a goalie, they could probably get Howard from Detroit and either some salary retained or a pick/prospect given for taking him. Plus his contract is shorter.

No one would take Andersen.

Two types of fans that pretend Andersen has any value on that deal.

1. Leaf fans, obvious bias

2. Anaheim fans, where he was a fan favorite who they exaggerated, obvious bias

-insert token, so all fans that saw him play, smarky comment-

All unbias other 28 fanbase (+1 for Vegas) wouldn't touch that contract.

 

[Vipers31]

Same can be said for Raycroft, Toskala and Bernier...

Huh, I was under the impression the Leafs had completely exchanged the front office making those decisions and evaluations. Odd, I could have sworn...

Seriously, Leafs fans could point at Raycroft, Toskala and Bernier and use that against acquiring any goalie, ever.

 

[DisneyDucky]

Two types of fans that pretend Andersen has any value on that deal.

1. Leaf fans, obvious bias

2. Anaheim fans, where he was a fan favorite who they exaggerated, obvious bias

-insert token, so all fans that saw him play, smarky comment-

All unbias other 28 fanbase (+1 for Vegas) wouldn't touch that contract.

-Im not wrong, its everyone else whos wrong

 

[Some Other Flame]

As unnecessary as this topic is, of course Andersen would clear waivers. There should be absolutely no doubt about that.

How many teams need a goaltender and how many of those actually have the cap space for a struggling 5M cap hit?

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Someone would give him a shot. His track record is worthy of another shot.

 

[islesfan186]

And that player is??? Leafs haven't had a good goaltender since Belfour. They've had a couple average ones.

Leafs have also not had very good teams since they had Belfour. They made the post season what, 1 time post the 2005 lockout? When you rest your hopes on a goalie that had 1 good year (Raycroft), and 2 career back ups (Toskala and Bernier), what exactly do you expect? Reimer IMO was a decent enough goalie for the Leafs. After all, he is the only goalie that saw the post season with them in the last decade+.