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Thirty One

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IIHF scorers are always so bad. Give Othmann his first assist.

I think you have to give him 9 games with the big club. Even if he's 4th line, I don't care, give him a taste of the speed of the NHL. Then go back to juniors, play once more in the WJC. I don't get it when people say a player has nothing left to prove in juniors. He wasn't the best player in the league last season, so he still has something to shoot for.
 
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Thirty One said:
IIHF scorers are always so bad. Give Othmann his first assist.

I think you have to give him 9 games with the big club. Even if he's 4th line, I don't care, give him a taste of the speed of the NHL. Then go back to juniors, play once more in the WJC. I don't get it when people say a player has nothing left to prove in juniors. He wasn't the best player in the league last season, so he still has something to shoot for.
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He was the best. You put Othmann on that Hamilton or Windsor team, god knows how many points he'd have scored. He had nobody on his team and he didn't even play with the best on his team much.
 
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How many of those guys dominated the OHL the way Othmann did? On top of my head I'd say not many. Again, keep in mind Othmann did this with almost zero offensive support. Had he played on a good team or even just a team with more elite offensive talent, not just a team with superb goaltending, his point totals would be significantly higher.
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Barzal: 88 in 58
Scheifele: 63 in 47
Robitaille: 148 in 64
Richards: 131 in 59
Garland: 129 in 67
Giroux: 112 in 63
Trocheck: 85 in 65
Kyrou: 94 in 66
Robertson: 87 in 68
Perry: 113 in 66
Toffoli: 108 in 68
Domi: 93 in 61
Suzuki: 100 in 64
Ryan: 95 in 59
Eberle: 74 in 61
 
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Barzal: 88 in 58
Scheifele: 63 in 47
Robitaille: 148 in 64
Richards: 131 in 59
Garland: 129 in 67
Giroux: 112 in 63
Trocheck: 85 in 65
Kyrou: 94 in 66
Robertson: 87 in 68
Perry: 113 in 66
Toffoli: 108 in 68
Domi: 93 in 61
Suzuki: 100 in 64
Ryan: 95 in 59
Eberle: 74 in 61
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Yeah. And how many of those had zero offensive support on their team? How many did draw as many penalties? How many were this responsible against the puck? This effective on the forecheck? You're comparing apples and oranges by just looking at points. Again, you put Othmann on that Hamilton team on McTavish's or Morrison's wing...his scoring would have sky rocketed.
 
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What are some of the top performances by a Rangers prospect at WJC?
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Thirty One said:
Nigel Dawes, Derek Stepan and Marc Staal in my lifetime. Lafreniere and Montoya before they were Rangers. Probably forgetting an obvious one or two.

I think I fell in love with Brennan Othmann tonight.
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Stepan broke the tournament in the year he played.
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Don't forget CK. He was one of the top goal scorers in 2010. That was the greatest year ever. I spent new years in Vegas and watching our Rangers prospect do so well at the WJC made it the most fun vacation ever.
 
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Right, but he can't play in the AHL and junior seems like it would almost be detrimental at this point. So where does he play? That's the question.
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Junior is never detrimental to players progress, I'm not sure where that narrative started. He's young, another year in junior isnt gonna change his trajectory.

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Yeah. And how many of those had zero offensive support on their team? How many did draw as many penalties? How many were this responsible against the puck? This effective on the forecheck? You're comparing apples and oranges by just looking at points. Again, you put Othmann on that Hamilton team on McTavish's or Morrison's wing...his scoring would have sky rocketed.
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I think you're getting ahead of yourself if you are putting Othmann above a lot of the guys on that list.
 
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Junior is never detrimental to players progress, I'm not sure where that narrative started. He's young, another year in junior isnt gonna change his trajectory.


I think you're getting ahead of yourself if you are putting Othmann above a lot of the guys on that list.
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Well, I can't possibly recall all of those guys junior careers so you tell me. Who you think was better than Othmann?

You can definitely develop a lot of bad habits playing vs kids as a man ready for pro hockey. There's a reason why the really talented prospects all leave their junior teams early. If Othmann plays another OHL season, it's a lost year at best. He's not gonna learn much. I can't think of anything he could learn or do better.
 
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Well, I can't possibly recall all of those guys junior careers so you tell me. Who you think was better than Othmann?

You can definitely develop a lot of bad habits playing vs kids as a man ready for pro hockey. There's a reason why the really talented prospects all leave their junior teams early. If Othmann plays another OHL season, it's a lost year at best. He's not gonna learn much. I can't think of anything he could learn or do better.
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Richards, Perry, Robataille and Giroux just to start. The developing bad habits thing is nuts, his natural progression has him playing junior another year, its not like they are making him spend an overage year in junior or something. The risk reward of him playing in the nhl too early vs another junior year is way worse if he isnt ready for the nhl vs another year of junior. I haven't heard of one example of a player who was ruined by spending another year in junior. It's just something someone came up with to justify a player moving up a league and its been regurgitated until it became something to hang a hat on. What Othmann can learn is how to win and to be a relied on to be a major player in that and winning or losing big games breeds hunger. If he comes to the Rangers he's likely the 4th guy on the 4th line given our makeup.
 
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Guys that are perfectly good or even very good junior skaters come in and look like slugs at the NHL level.

We have seen several of them in recent years. I don't get the appetite to have another one get overmatched because the legs and processing aren't there. It's not helpful. Leave Othmann in junior with a mandate to get A LOT better at skating.
 
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Guys that are perfectly good or even very good junior skaters come in and look like slugs at the NHL level.

We have seen several of them in recent years. I don't get the appetite to have another one get overmatched because the legs and processing aren't there. It's not helpful. Leave Othmann in junior with a mandate to get A LOT better at skating.
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Othmann was one of the best skaters over a year ago in Switzerland in a fast skating league on wider European ice. Skating won't ever hold back Othmann.
 
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Othmann was one of the best skaters over a year ago in Switzerland in a fast skating league on wider European ice. Skating won't ever hold back Othmann.
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He sure as f*** doesn't look anything like that in junior.
 
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they couldn't put the USA vs SWE game on at 2pm or 6pm ET? absolutely braindead.

10pm ET and 4am Sweden. BIG BRAIN stuff
 
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duhmetreE said:
they couldn't put the USA vs SWE game on at 2pm or 6pm ET? absolutely braindead.

10pm ET and 4am Sweden. BIG BRAIN stuff
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Now they have Finland vs Slovakia as the early game which is still 9 PM in Finland and 8 PM in Slovakia which makes sense. Czechia vs Latvia at 6 PM still allows people in Europe to watch at what is essential normal NHL puckdrop time.
 
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