World Cup SF: Sep 10 GDT - USA vs. Finland

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I think if Canada got the final, they'd be okay against Finland and the Kipper. With the firepower we've displayed, it can be done. I just worry about Brodeur not being 100% and/or Luongo not being ready to step in. But hey, Team Canada has enough Lightning players so solving Kiprusoff won't be too tough. They did it before. Especially Richards (4 goals was it?).
 
NCAA Hockey Fan said:
You're complaining about the the lack of interest for hockey in the USA and you don't even live here? Try being a hockey fan in the US and tell us how it is. Hockey is low on the totem poll except in the Northeast and the Northern midwest,but the fans in these areas are very passionate. So you're saying us real fans aren't deserving of our country winning? This may seem harsh,but ignorance of your post is mind boggling.
I think it's cultural. The Norhtern Midwest does like hockey a lot but the American culture has never really been into international team competitions except for the Miracle on Ice but that's because it was a total surprise. In other countries, international events have been popular for a very long time with the World Cup of soccer and such. North Americans are more into regional clubs but Canada has been exposed to international events since the Summit Series and with the Canada Cups so we have more experience in this matter.
 
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Hab-a-maniac said:
I think if Canada got the final, they'd be okay against Finland and the Kipper. With the firepower we've displayed, it can be done. I just worry about Brodeur not being 100% and/or Luongo not being ready to step in. But hey, Team Canada has enough Lightning players so solving Kiprusoff won't be too tough. They did it before. Especially Richards (4 goals was it?).
I'm more afraid of the Czechs. In fact, I'm scared of them. I really hope that Brodeur can recover on time.
 
Canuck21t said:
I think it's cultural. The Norhtern Midwest does like hockey a lot but the American culture has never really been into international team competitions except for the Miracle on Ice but that's because it was a total surprise. In other countries, international events have been popular for a very long time with the World Cup of soccer and such. North Americans are more into regional clubs but Canada has been exposed to international events since the Summit Series and with the Canada Cups so we have more experience in this matter.
Of course it's cultural. It's not a mistake that the areas in the US that are passionate about hockey are the cold weather climate areas. The US is more interested in regional clubs,but if you look at the amount of teams in the US for the 4 major sports and college teams there are ALOT more choices here for sports entertainment that any other country. Whereas in a country like Finland it's pretty much just hockey.
 
holy **** this has become a flaming thread, god, usa lost, yes, as a Canadian fan, I could care less, I feel our team can and will beat every team in its path

anyways, USA had a good tourny, but now we should all be rooting for Canada, dont what the championship to go overseas, now do we?

GO CANADA GO!
 
NCAA Hockey Fan said:
Of course it's cultural. It's not a mistake that the areas in the US that are passionate about hockey are the cold weather climate areas. The US is more interested in regional clubs,but if you look at the amount of teams in the US for the 4 major sports and college teams there are ALOT more choices here for sports entertainment that any other country. Whereas in a country like Finland it's pretty much just hockey.
I'm not talking about the cold weather climate which make Northern states more into hockey. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about why the US is not interested in international team events. Other countries have regional clubs too whether it's hockey or soccer, yet international competition is always much more important than any clubs. Canadians although very much into the Stanley Cup, also take lots of pride in our national team. Even at the World Championship where we think it's a second rate tournament, we nonetheless follow it with more passion than how you cover the World Cup.
 
While things have calmed down a bit, I'm going to make one EXPLICITLY clear FINAL warning:

If you post something that I, Predatore, Samkow, BTS or any of the other mods view to be "trolling," YOU WILL BE BANNED. JFont has made a couple of warnings, and I'm still singing mud being slung.

So think about this:

If rubbing in the loss\cursing those rubbing in the loss is more important to you than your continued ability to post..then BY ALL MEANS, go ahead and make your post..but be forewarned...it won't be around long enough for you to enjoy, and you'll not even have the joy of seeing the trouble you've stirred. YOU WILL BE BANNED...regardless of whether you've had formal warnings in the past. To all of you involved, and I think you know who you are...consider THIS your formal warning, thus making the next step a ban..and a couple of you already have a couple bans under your belt, making the next step a PERMANENT ban.

I am TIRED of this senseless, moronic trash.
 
TheBigBadB said:
Nah, it was Bush's fault...Moore will be coming out with a film soon...so stay tuned. :lol

:joker:

Canuck21t said:
I find it very hard to like a team where its fans don't give a darn. You rather see a team that can bring lots of joy to a nation that truly care.

FYI, I rather see a team who is deserving to win because they played hard and gave their all, not because a nation cares more than another. You can't read into the BS the media spits out, there are plenty of hard core hockey fans in the US. Hockey is Canada's national past time, I don't criticize you guys for not caring about baseball like we do in the US because that's our national past time.

Canuck21t said:
Brothers? Most Canadians consider Americans as bullies.

Well that's lovely. Like I said, we get bad rep's for the actions of one person. That's really unfair.

NCAA Hockey Fan said:
You're complaining about the the lack of interest for hockey in the USA and you don't even live here? Try being a hockey fan in the US and tell us how it is. Hockey is low on the totem poll except in the Northeast and the Northern midwest,but the fans in these areas are very passionate. So you're saying us real fans aren't deserving of our country winning? This may seem harsh,but ignorance of your post is mind boggling.

Amen. It's so unfair to say a team isn't deserving because of the fans not caring. It's just pure BS. No, hockey isn't #1 here, but does that make it wrong? I mean get real here people. I'm just tired of us real, die hard fans not getting recognition and tired of the way we're perceived. Because the stupid people at ESPN show about 2 hockey games a week, and it's usually the Avs or Flyers or whatever, everyone automatically think Americans don't care about hockey. Unfortunately all we have is ESPN and they suck big time, and unfortunately hockey fans like me can't control what they put on air. If I had any say about it I'd put less of the World Series of freakin POKER on, a looot less basketball, less college football, and show a hell of a lot more hockey. It's sad when hockey takes a back seat to college football on tv. But the fans can't be blamed for that, we have no control.

Not ONE Canadian team was shown on ESPN last year during the season, not one. Give more of a variety, give people who aren't hockey fans more chances to get a feel for the game and see it's not boring or hard to follow. It's so easy to blame the fans for "not caring" but the blame needs to be placed on the networks and the NHL for not giving a damn and not marketing the game better.
 
Rob said:
Finland proved me wrong. I'm glad they did. This is a great win for Finland. It is the only other nation in the world where hockey is #1. Good luck in the final. :handclap:

It was your post that jinxed us! :mad: ;)
 
NYR2 said:
:joker:
FYI, I rather see a team who is deserving to win because they played hard and gave their all, not because a nation cares more than another. You can't read into the BS the media spits out, there are plenty of hard core hockey fans in the US. Hockey is Canada's national past time, I don't criticize you guys for not caring about baseball like we do in the US because that's our national past time.

If there was a real baseball World Championship and Canada was in it, I'm pretty sure that Canadians would care. But you're right, we should happy for any team that did their best and showed some great hockey.

Well that's lovely. Like I said, we get bad rep's for the actions of one person. That's really unfair.

It's not just of one person but I don't want to go further because this is not the place.

Amen. It's so unfair to say a team isn't deserving because of the fans not caring. It's just pure BS. No, hockey isn't #1 here, but does that make it wrong? I mean get real here people. I'm just tired of us real, die hard fans not getting recognition and tired of the way we're perceived. Because the stupid people at ESPN show about 2 hockey games a week, and it's usually the Avs or Flyers or whatever, everyone automatically think Americans don't care about hockey. Unfortunately all we have is ESPN and they suck big time, and unfortunately hockey fans like me can't control what they put on air. If I had any say about it I'd put less of the World Series of freakin POKER on, a looot less basketball, less college football, and show a hell of a lot more hockey. It's sad when hockey takes a back seat to college football on tv. But the fans can't be blamed for that, we have no control.

Not ONE Canadian team was shown on ESPN last year during the season, not one. Give more of a variety, give people who aren't hockey fans more chances to get a feel for the game and see it's not boring or hard to follow. It's so easy to blame the fans for "not caring" but the blame needs to be placed on the networks and the NHL for not giving a damn and not marketing the game better.
ESPN show more of poker because the American audience rather see that than hockey. The World Cup had a rating of something like 300 000 audiences while poker has over 2 millions.

Anyway, what is your thought on Team USA? Did you expected them to go over Finland? Are you satisfied with their play?

Personally, I'm not impressed with nether Team USA nor Team Finland. I also thought the game was quite boring. I didn't see many great plays that wowed me. I thought the game lacked intensity and Team USA should not have slowed down after their 1st goal. The Finns on the other hand had some chances but they missed the target so many times.

I may be biased but I believe the Czechs are more dangerous than the Finns and if Canada can beat the Czechs, then I'm pretty confident we'll go all the way, but that's a big IF.
 
Canuck21t said:
Anyway, what is your thought on Team USA? Did you expected them to go over Finland? Are you satisfied with their play?

Yes, I expected them to beat Finland. No, I was not satisfied with their play. They were sluggish, lethargic, apathetic, and uninspired until the alarm clock went off about 5 minutes into the 2nd period, but even then all they did was skate hard for about 8 minutes before rolling over and going back to sleep. They just didn't want to work as hard as Finland was going to make them work to win the game.

Canuck21t said:
Personally, I'm not impressed with nether Team USA nor Team Finland. I also thought the game was quite boring. I didn't see many great plays that wowed me. I thought the game lacked intensity and Team USA should not have slowed down after their 1st goal. The Finns on the other hand had some chances but they missed the target so many times.

It probably looked on television like it lacked intensity, but if you were there you could feel the frustration in the air. Finland was as intense as I've seen any team in a very long time. They didn't look flashy because they didn't have to; they were totally disciplined, and they simply forced the Americans to play their game. It worked.
 
This sucks. I really thought the US team had turned it around with the win over Russia the other night, but it was not to be. This is probably the last run for some of these guys and some young blood will be brought in. The biggest problem was that outside of the Russian game the big guns didnt show up for this tourney. We had enough talent to beat anyone in this tourney, but some guys just didnt get it done. Congrats to Finland. They are a hard working bunch and can win this with Kiprusoff in net. I was kinda hoping Brad, Vinny, and Marty from the Lightning would complete their dream year with a WC win but with some people like Tito Ortiz rubbing this in our faces I dont know if I can root for Canada anymore. Thanks for acting like a 6 year old and turning this into a pissing contest thread. :shakehead
 
Canuck21t said:
ESPN show more of poker because the American audience rather see that than hockey. The World Cup had a rating of something like 300 000 audiences while poker has over 2 millions.

ESPN shows more of it because ESPN sucks. S.U.C.K.S. :joker: They are so biased it's pathetic. Like for example, to work at ESPN you'd think one of the job requirements would probably be you have to hate the Yankees. They just suck, I can't make it any clearer lol.
 
Man what a game, here are some toughts.

Last minute icing? Can't understand, and Berg's penalty... well it was a right call, but comparing to the line refs kept that was a cheap call.

Väänänen showing up that he has talents at the offencive end also. Pass for the 1-2 goal was just brilliant. Väänänen has suprised me with his skills. Goal against Sweden was a beauty, that pass was beauty and he has been one of the best d-mans at the d-zone.

Kipper hasn't suprised me he has been that solid wall he was last year.

Now that we are living Summanen's era, Finnish hockey looks more physical. I think it was one of the reasons we won the game.

J. Ruutu is a man for big games. Well he took one penalty, but he got some nasty hits but didn't care. He was deploying some good hits and also kept his coolness when the fire was on.

No bad mistakes at the d-zone. Usually it's very normal for Finland to loose the puck or do some other stupid mistakes at their d-zone, normally many many times in the game, but now we eliminated all bad mistakes. (I only saw 2 periods so I'm not sure about the 1st period).

Well, big win for Finnish hockey, must come for some relief for Raimo Summanen also.

Torilla Tavataan!
 
Väänänen is fine offensively, he just rarely gets to show it, he has a hard shot and good passing.

Oh, we're in the finals how interesting. Not.
 
Shack said:
Last minute icing? Can't understand, and Berg's penalty... well it was a right call, but comparing to the line refs kept that was a cheap call
I think that the Berg`s penalty was justified, but that icing! I don`t know if refs have been ordered to help out Team USA/Team Canada whenever they can, but that was so clearly biased call. Refs had one objective on that one: give US another scoring chance.

Hope someone can understand that this is not bitterness talking - as you can see it Finland won. But that didn`t change the fact that refs tried to make everything in their power to make Canada vs. USA final.

Ok, it`s good advertisment for the whole sport of hockey. But if CAN-USA final is the objective, let`s be honest here. I think it would be more straightforward to give both North-American teams two goal lead before the game even starts. That way the refs don`t have to try so hard.
 
The icing at the end was legit. The player did NOT cross center, and it went all the way down the ice with no one touching it. Jokinen NEVER touched it, and the third man in did. It was a great call.
 
Well, that was some defensive hockey. But it worked! I can't recall the last time our defense looked that good against a major hockey nation in a major tournament (no, sweeping the Czechs in game #1 doesn't count). We looked like the Flames out there.

It was a team effort for sure and a great one at that, but Jokinen (along with the entire 2nd line) and of course Kiprusoff stood out. On one of the most important days in Finnish hockey history, Kipper acted like he was having a morning practice. The guy has no nerves.

And on the other hand, it's good that the 1st line still has lots to improve on.

So why settle for this when we have a chance to do the truly unforgettable: :win:
 
We won! We won! Holy cloudberries batman, we won!

Can't say that it was the best hockey game I ever saw,
the players on both sides looked sluggish out there...
For the Finns, jet lag may well account for that, and for
the U.S. players, well, two words: menopause. :D

I thought we were lucky to get the tying goal almost
out of nothing, but perhaps it was a just reward for
the persisent forechecking by our players, especially
the three forwards on our #2 line.

And then.. the winning goal, scored by Captain K.
Good quick hands after he failed to control Ossi's
pass first time round.

Plusses and minuses for Team Finland:

+ Forechecking and hitting.

+ Kipper. Solid as ever.

+ The 2nd line was great all night long, all three
of them, OJ especially.. Neutralized the threat
from Modano's line by actually holding the play
in the U.S. end on most shifts.

+ The team spirit and the fight in them, made up
for the tiredness from travelling across the Atlantic.

- I didn't like the way we tried to cross center ice.
What's the deal with flipping the puck 40 feet in
the air? That happened way too often. Whether
that's a page out of coach Summanen's play book
or desperation caused by an overcrowded neutral
zone, I don't know, but I hope I see less of it in
the final.

- Selanne. Yeah he's a great guy and I was
impressed by the hits he dished out in the first,
but offensively he's a shadow of his former self;
not very good at shooting and his skating speed,
sadly, is but a memory of The Finnish Flash glory days.
I'd almost be tempted to put Peltonen on the first
line with Koivu and Lehtinen, but doing that, I wouldn't
know where to put Selanne because frankly he doesn't
fit on the second line either, nor on the third or fourth.

So, now all eyes on CAN-CZE and the final next week.
We Finnish fans can rest assured that the team is
still hungry for more.. We've had enough second and third
place finishes.
 
FinnoHab said:
- Selanne. Yeah he's a great guy and I was
impressed by the hits he dished out in the first,
but offensively he's a shadow of his former self;
not very good at shooting and his skating speed,
sadly, is but a memory of The Finnish Flash glory days.
I'd almost be tempted to put Peltonen on the first
line with Koivu and Lehtinen, but doing that, I wouldn't
know where to put Selanne because frankly he doesn't
fit on the second line either, nor on the third or fourth.

According to Iltalehti, Selänne, in addition to his infamous knee problems, is also hampered by a hip injury. So it shouldn't be too big of a surprise that he hasn't been able to play at his best offensively.
 
First off, congrats to Finland.

Big letdown by Team USA vs. Finland. From an Islander fan standpoint I thought Jason Blake looked pretty good last night (besides the bad penalty) and overall was one of Team USA's better forwards fulfulling his role as agitator and spark plug. More credit could have been given to him but on a team of super stars, he was easily overlooked. His personality may have something to do with that as well, but who cares. If only others would bring his drive to win to the ice, the Isles may be closer to a cup than they have shown. He had an excellent chance to tie it late but was denied by Kiprusoff who has to be considered tournament MVP if Finland wins this thing. I agree with JR that he is the best goalie in the world right now.

I don't think USA lacked a drive to win. They just did not have enough horses in the stables this year and Team Finland has proven they are World Class and belong in the Finals. No sour grapes here. Team USA is old, especailly at D and costly mistakes by the D cost them this game. Leetch blew it on both goals but not much was made of that last night. The Leafs have themselves a player on the decline, for sure...

Overall a big disappointment. Not sure when we will see hockey again after this tounament. Not sure where USA will be getting young world class players to fill the gap for an over the hill Chelios, Leetch, Amonte, Hull, Smolinski anytime soon.
 
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