Pre-Game Talk: World cup of hockey 2016 thread

[Irishguy42]

Dang. You caught me. I only know McDonagh made that play because someone on Twitter said something when I accidentally turned away from my code that was running

Must have seen a gif or something.

 

[silverfish]

Must have seen a gif or something.

Stepan and McDonagh having good 5v5 games.

Step's been on the ice for 37.5% of all team USA attempts for, and only 22.2% against.

McDonagh 41.6% for and 33.3% against.

This team is just straight up not skilled enough, and the skill players from other countries are those countries top players, so it's not like they're not out there working just as hard as the players on team USA. In a short tournament like this, grit is overrated. Skill. Speed. Kessel (wasn't even picked before injury). Yandle. Tyler Johnson.

Also, on a different note, I love how you can still see shades of how Jagr taught Dubinsky to shield the puck with his body in his game. If only we could go back in time and put Callahan in the deal for Nash instead of Dubi, and hand Dubi that 'C'.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Can someone give me a two or three sentence description on what happened in the US-Canada game tonight and how the Rangers players played? I wasn't able to watch.

 

[silverfish]

Attention fancystat chart critics: How does this do for you in terms of being able to acknowledge what is going on? I'm not really interested in how you feel about what is being presented here, and don't want to get into an argument about the value of shot attempts. I'd just like to know if this is a chart you could look at, understand what's going on, draw a takeaway, and move on from.

All feedback appreciated.

 

[Irishguy42]

Attention fancystat chart critics: How does this do for you in terms of being able to acknowledge what is going on? I'm not really interested in how you feel about what is being presented here, and don't want to get into an argument about the value of shot attempts. I'd just like to know if this is a chart you could look at, understand what's going on, draw a takeaway, and move on from.

All feedback appreciated.

For me, yes. This is a chart that is easy to comprehend, and to use for simple comparisons/quick glimpses. Obviously, it's a SSS, but that's not the point here.

Maybe find a way to make the point for each player more obvious, but the general idea is good.

 

[aufheben]

Fake. Can see the pixels.

Justin Abdullkader amirite?

Seriously though Stepan did look quite good to me.

Edit: LOL GLASS

 

[silverfish]

For me, yes. This is a chart that is easy to comprehend, and to use for simple comparisons/quick glimpses. Obviously, it's a SSS, but that's not the point here.

Maybe find a way to make the point for each player more obvious, but the general idea is good.

SSS? Adding a point is an interesting idea. I'm unsure if it's necessary, but it's something I thought about while making the chart.

Fake. Can see the pixels.

Justin Abdullkader amirite?

Seriously though Stepan did look quite good to me.

Edit: LOL GLASS

****ing Glass

Stepan was good. McDonagh was an event machine.

 

[Irishguy42]

SSS? Adding a point is an interesting idea. I'm unsure if it's necessary, but it's something I thought about while making the chart.

Stepan was good. McDonagh was an event machine.

Small Sample Size. Sorry for the shorthand

And yeah, I was just trying to think of something that could maybe make the location for each player more distinct than just a thin line.

I like how Stepan/McDonagh have been playing. Stepan more than McDonagh, but both have been good, so that's not really a big difference.

 

[silverfish]

Small Sample Size. Sorry for the shorthand

And yeah, I was just trying to think of something that could maybe make the location for each player more distinct than just a thin line.

I like how Stepan/McDonagh have been playing. Stepan more than McDonagh, but both have been good, so that's not really a big difference.

Oh, gotchya. Yeah, this isn't intended to be anything more than a single game breakdown on the shot attempt scale. As always, one thing to use within a myriad of others to evaluate.

However, it is interesting to note if the positions on the chart fall in line with the eye-test evaluation of how a player performed.

 

[Revel]

I'm not much of a chart guy (I like numeric tables ), but your chart is easy to understand. What would make it better would be to have the size of the players name (or something like that) signify TOI for the game. I know that would complicate the chart, but it would help put things in perspective.

 

[Irishguy42]

I'm not much of a chart guy (I like numeric tables ), but your chart is easy to understand. What would make it better would be to have the size of the players name (or something like that) signify TOI for the game. I know that would complicate the chart, but it would help put things in perspective.

What might be easier is to have a border around the name bubbles and have that color represent TOI. And then have the scale shown on the side or something.

 

[Revel]

What might be easier is to have a border around the name bubbles and have that color represent TOI. And then have the scale shown on the side or something.

I purposely did not mention color because I'm color blind. Color-coded charts are absolutely useless to me and make me want to tear all charts up. There has to be a better way!

 

[Doctor King Schultz]

Schneider looking bad on two of the three goals so far.

he looked like ass in that game from the highlights I saw

 

[silverfish]

I'm not much of a chart guy (I like numeric tables ), but your chart is easy to understand. What would make it better would be to have the size of the players name (or something like that) signify TOI for the game. I know that would complicate the chart, but it would help put things in perspective.

Like such?

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[Revel]

Like such?

For me, this is an amazing chart, Silverfish. I'm sure that ice-time could be even more accurately portrayed via color for most people, but at least the size difference in names gives me an idea of who was on-ice alot and who wasn't. With color, I wouldn't get the idea at all.

I can tell that Dubinsky was an event freak...with many chances going in each direction, despite his lack of ice-time compared to others.

With Buff, I can chalk things more up to quantity of ice-time.

Anther beauty of this chart is that you don't need t look at a "key" to get an idea of ice-time. Big names for alot of ice time and small names for much less ice-time is intuitive and doesn't require referencing a "key".

 

[Revel]

Silverfish, just noticed a couple of names are so small that they cannot be read. I guess this size thing with the names ain't gonna work, lol.

How about having the line that extends from the name of each player connect to a circle. The circle will not only be their position on the chart...but its size will denote ice time. May not be enough room on the chart for that kind of stuff, though.

In any case, I appreciate your attempt!

 

[Irishguy42]

Miller isn't in tonight, sooooooooooooo...GO TEAM EUROPE. ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCC

 

[Revel]

I don't think Europe has the talent. This is going to be another ugly game for them.

 

[Irishguy42]

I don't think Europe has the talent. This is going to be another ugly game for them.

Agreed. But, I gotta root for the Rangers on the ice

 

[Revel]

Agreed. But, I gotta root for the Rangers on the ice

I'm with you.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Question, is anyone else watching the world cup game right now? Did they just not bother to have broadcasters tonight?

 

[Revel]

Matthews looked awesome right there. Nice moves and nice assist.

 

[Revel]

Larkin goal. No more J.T. Miller for the rest of the tournament.

 

[Revel]

This is a horror show for Europe, lol.