GWT: World Cup - Group F (Morocco and Croatia Advance)

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Who Advances?

  • Belgium

    Votes: 72 69.2%
  • Croatia

    Votes: 70 67.3%
  • Morocco

    Votes: 24 23.1%
  • Canada

    Votes: 33 31.7%

  • Total voters
    104
Except for Balogun.
Lol. No.

And Balogun still needs to switch. Balogun certainly could find himself in a starting role though if they trust him, but again I think that speaks more about USA lack of options than anything else
 
Lol. No.

And Balogun still needs to switch.
Sure, I mean after all David has 9 goals in 15 matches and Balogun only has 8 goals in 15 matches, albeit on a team that's scored 11 fewer goals. Balogun accounts for a full half of Reims league goals; David 33% of Lille's.

Yes, Balogun needs to officially switch, but he's still in the pool until he isn't.
 
Pulisic, Aaronson, Adams, Reyna, Balogun, McKennie, Musah.

Argument to be had about Weah and Scally
This is funny. Davies has an argument, definitely. I don't see David as being better than a solid handful of Americans.
Davies has an argument? Davies is head and shoulders above any US player right now. Transfermarkt is a good and accurate site and David's market value is higher than any of those players you mentioned (not to mention Davies which is like double the value of any US player)

Prime Pulisic is better than David, but that prime is behind. Aaronson and Adams are great talents, but as of today their level isn't as high. Musah hasn't been great in La Liga and McKennie is decent.

Even mentioning Weah is just insane. He's played about 5 seasons for Lille now and has total of 6 league goals. David has 9 already during this season (playing for the same team). Please tell me what's the argument about him over David? Even Sargent has showed more than Weah for his club side.
 
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Sure, I mean after all David has 9 goals in 15 matches and Balogun only has 8 goals in 15 matches, albeit on a team that's scored 11 fewer goals. Balogun accounts for a full half of Reims league goals; David 33% of Lille's.

Yes, Balogun needs to officially switch, but he's still in the pool until he isn't.
Maybe I’m half empty but I look at him as not in the pool until he does switch. David has shown a lot more over a longer sample size than Balogun. If you want to say Balogun is have a better offensive season so far you can certainly make that argument, but I don’t think Balogun has shown enough of a sample size to put him with David yet
 
Davies has an argument? Davies is head and shoulders above any US player right now. Transfermark is a good and accurate site and David's market value is higher than any of those players you mentioned.

Prime Pulisic is better than David, but that prime is behind. Aaronson and Adams are great talents, but as of today their level isn't as high. Musah hasn't been great in La Liga and McKennie is decent.

Even mentioning Weah is just insane. He's played about 5 seasons for Lille now and has total of 6 league goals. David has 9 during this season (playing for the same team). Please tell me what's the argument about him over David?
Pulisic's prime is behind him, at the age of 24? Davies prime is behind him, then. He just got back from injury and hasn't looked great since returning. Maybe the injury finished him.

Aaronson and Adams have been better at Leeds than David has been in Ligue 1. Musah was and is a locked in starter since the age of 17 in a Big 5 league. If McKennie is decent, so is David.

Weah also has been playing wingback. Do World Cup goals next.

Maybe I’m half empty but I look at him as not in the pool until he does switch. David has shown a lot more over a longer sample size than Balogun. If you want to say Balogun is have a better offensive season so far you can certainly make that argument, but I don’t think Balogun has shown enough of a sample size to put him with David yet
He's accepted a call up at a lower level and is eligible for the USMNT. He's in the pool until he isn't.
 
Pulisic's prime is behind him, at the age of 24? Davies prime is behind him, then. He just got back from injury and hasn't looked great since returning. Maybe the injury finished him.

Aaronson and Adams have been better at Leeds than David has been in Ligue 1. Musah was and is a locked in starter since the age of 17 in a Big 5 league. If McKennie is decent, so is David.

Weah also has been playing wingback. Do World Cup goals next.
He was playing for Valencia B. He started playing for the main team the following season. But also just because he's starting isn't an argument that he's better.

Or else I can just frame an argument saying Eustaquio is starting for a CL team therefore he's better than all the players you named.
 
Pulisic's prime is behind him, at the age of 24? Davies prime is behind him, then. He just got back from injury and hasn't looked great since returning. Maybe the injury finished him.

Aaronson and Adams have been better at Leeds than David has been in Ligue 1. Musah was and is a locked in starter since the age of 17 in a Big 5 league. If McKennie is decent, so is David.

Weah also has been playing wingback. Do World Cup goals next.
Age isn't the factor here, Pulisic today isn't nearly as good as he was during his first Chelsea season or last Dortmund season that's why they want to get rid of him. To be fair injuries have played a big role in his decline.

Sample size of Aaronson and Adams are too narrow in comparison to David. As of now i can say that big clubs would pay more money from David than Aaronson or Adams (or Musa).

Lewandowski must suck then since he only has 1 World Cup goal, Enner Valencia better.
 
Age isn't the factor here, Pulisic today isn't nearly as good as he was during his first Chelsea season or last Dortmund season that's why they want to get rid of him. To be fair injuries have played a big role in his decline.

Sample size of Aaronson and Adams are too narrow in comparison to David. As of now i can say that big clubs would pay more money from David than Aaronson or Adams (or Musa).

Lewandowski must suck then since he only has 1 World Cup goal, Enner Valencia better.
Not sure about that.
 
He was playing for Valencia B. He started playing for the main team the following season. But also just because he's starting isn't an argument that he's better.

Or else I can just frame an argument saying Eustaquio is starting for a CL team therefore he's better than all the players you named.
Two years ago he was starting for Valencia when he was 17.

You're welcome to make that argument. I'd counter with Josh Cohen, Gio Reyna, Christian Pulisic, Sergino Dest, Weston McKennie, CCV, James Sands, and Malik Tillman as being Americans who played in CL matches but go ahead and make that case if you would like.
 
David would easily be USA best striker though. Which is all that really matters. USA doesn’t have anyone remotely close to David in their pool at #9
Comparing Weah of all people to David is hilarious.
I like what Balogun is showing but he's FAR from the player David is.

People sleeping on David is weird to me. Guy scored 15 goals last season with all the defenses keying on him.


When he came in, he struggler mightily to score goals but he was always in a great position and stress had the best of him.
He seems a bit fragile mentally, but when he's confident, he's absolutely a delight.

He's also 4th in scoring this year.
 
Sample size of Aaronson and Adams are too narrow in comparison to David. As of now i can say that big clubs would pay more money from David than Aaronson or Adams (or Musa).
You can say that. It might not be true, but you can definitely say it.

Adams, Musah, and McKennie bossed a midfield with multiple supposedly 100M players.
 
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Croatian fans mocking Milan Borjan for being a child refugee (grew up a Serb in Croatia and had to flee as a child from retaliations during Croatian independence). His cell number was leaked and 2500 messages were left by Croatian fans.

and Croatian fans want to criticize Canadian fans for being classless?


I wonder if this has something with the fact that the guy constantly calls Knin and Dalmacija Serbian. He's a moron whose views cater to the Serbian far right and certainly not a guy who should cry wolf now. He's just as bad as the clowns trolling him at the moment.
 
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You can say that. It might not be true, but you can definitely say it.

Adams, Musah, and McKennie bossed a midfield with multiple supposedly 100M players.
Arshavin bossed Euros back in the days, Greece won the Euros in 2004, James Rodriguez was the man in 2014 World Cup and list goes on and on.

That's why you do player comparisons based on their club performances rather than singular national team games.
 
Arshavin bossed Euros back in the days, Greece won the Euros in 2004, James Rodriguez was the man in 2014 World Cup and list goes on and on.

That's why you do player comparisons based on their club performances rather than singular national team games.
And Adams and Aaronson have both looked fantastic for Leeds after impressing at their respective Red Bull teams.
 
Jonathan David is the most unspectacular player in this WC, he's Safeway brand vanilla. Davies is the best player between USA and Canada easily, then I would put Adams as the second best, and probably Aaronson as third (even though he's gotten like zero minutes, he's been great at Leeds). Weah isn't even good, he's a worse version of David.

Croatian fans mocking Milan Borjan for being a child refugee (grew up a Serb in Croatia and had to flee as a child from retaliations during Croatian independence). His cell number was leaked and 2500 messages were left by Croatian fans.

and Croatian fans want to criticize Canadian fans for being classless?


Yeah, as Bluesfan mentioned this is just another day in the Balkans. You hate to see it, but in the Euros you had a lot of Suisse Balkan players like Shaqiri and Xhaka going after other Balkan nations such as Serbia.
 
I wonder if this has something with the fact that the guy constantly calls Knin and Dalmacija Serbian. He's a moron whose views cater to the Serbian far right and certainly not a guy who should cry wolf now. He's just as bad as the clowns trolling him at the moment.
Yes, he told the media he wasn't born in Croatia but in Krajina. That would be something like a Russian born in Ukraine telling people he was born in Russia (lets say Donetsk region).

He's not wrong, after the Croatian Army liberated Dalmatia in Operation Storm, a lot of the Serb population evacuated to Bosnia and Serbia. There were, I'm sure, war crimes during the operation on a lower level in the army and among the returning civilian population, but the operation itself and the command has been cleared of any wrong doing - the president of Croatia at the time, like him or not, was very wary of Croatia's image in the world.

So, Milan is right on that, Serbs evacuated / were displaced from Knin and those areas before the Croatian Army.

What he doesn't mention is that Croats evacuated / were displaced 4 years earlier, by the Serbs, because of the rising Serb nationalism and the war.
Source: I'm from Knin and my family moved to Zagreb and Zadar when the war started cause it was either that, or get killed. Our house was burned down and the Serb soldiers held my uncle at gunpoint in his own house, in front of his kids.

So... While I don't think showering anyone with messages and whatever is needed/necessary or OK in any way... Milan really doesn't paint the whole picture in his little sob story.

Conclusion... War sucks, people are capable of being utter crap to one another and these things really shouldn't be commented offhandedly or lightly if any serious conversation is to be held.
 
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Yes, he told the media he wasn't born in Croatia but in Krajina. That would be something like a Russian born in Ukraine telling people he was born in Russia (lets say Donetsk region).

He's not wrong, after the Croatian Army liberated Dalmatia in Operation Storm, a lot of the Serb population evacuated to Bosnia and Serbia. There were, I'm sure, war crimes during the operation on a lower level in the army and among the returning civilian population, but the operation itself and the command has been cleared of any wrong doing - the president of Croatia at the time, like him or not, was very wary of Croatia's image in the world.

So, Milan is right on that, Serbs evacuated / were displaced from Knin and those areas before the Croatian Army.

What he doesn't mention is that Croats evacuated / were displaced 4 years earlier, by the Serbs, because of the rising Serb nationalism and the war.
Source: I'm from Knin and my family moved to Zagreb and Zadar when the war started cause it was either that, or get killed. Our house was burned down and the Serb soldiers held my uncle at gunpoint in his own house, in front of his kids.

So... While I don't think showering anyone with messages and whatever is needed/necessary or OK in any way... Milan really doesn't paint the whole picture in his little sob story.

Conclusion... War sucks, people are capable of being utter crap to one another and these things really shouldn't be commented offhandedly or lightly if any serious conversation is to be held.
Milan started all this with his comments so now he’s playing the victim role like he didn’t do anything wrong. He knew his comments were going to piss off a lot of Croatians.
 
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Annnnyhow, couple big games coming up this afternoon in the early slot with all three top teams able to clinch a berth with a win and Canada playing for pride. You can figure out the other permutations below, but basically only Croatia can be satisfied with a draw.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]
Chorvatsko
Croatia[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4 : 1[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]
Maroko
Morocco[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2 : 0[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]
Belgie
Belgium[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1 : 2[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]
Kanada
Canada[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]1 : 5[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Belgium seems to be in full blown meltdown mode ala France in South Africa, I don't see them turning this around today.
 
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