World Cup: World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team USA Part III

[WayneSid9987]

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[Bixby Snyder]

In case you're wondering, Torts said he wouldn't change the roster in hindsight.

LOL, he's on his last NHL coaching job. There's no way any NHL team is stupid enough to hire this clown again. I just hope he isn't in Columbus long enough to ruin Seth Jones.

 

[satbank]

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Didn't he have surgery recently?

 

[hi]

I think you have to take some positives away from this tournament. Sure they made some terrible roster decisions, but they also decided not to bring Brooks Orpik and Dustin Brown. That is significant progress.

 

[Xokkeu]

Stepan was useless this tourney. absolutely hate to say that since I fell in love with him in 2010. just a vanilla center who like Bonney said doesn't belong on our top 4 centers moving forward.

I would take Trocheck and Galchenyuk over him without question as I like the other two better in certain areas over Stepan. Stepan is a good player, just not elite which is what we sadly lacked down the middle.

Tyler Johnson should have been here, inexcusable that he was not.

If Tyler Johnson was healthy, no excuse.

 

[fsanford]

I think you have to take some positives away from this tournament. Sure they made some terrible roster decisions, but they also decided not to bring Brooks Orpik and Dustin Brown. That is significant progress.

Thing is the teams Brown was on showed more heart than this bunch.
Not the most talented, but actually has some competitive heart

 

[LosVikingsDeChicago]

The NHL needs to donate more money to USA Hockey so that they can influence the Team USA selection process and get rid of people like Brian Burke. The NHL needs to look at this as a business decision because ultimately the better USA hockey does the better the NHL does!

 

[Kasper92]

I'm tired of Pacioretty and Parise, they can't score (or even register a shot) and are not leaders. Grinders such as Abdelkader and Backes were at least effective and noticeable in the roles they played. In 2010 there was hope for USA, this was much worse than 2014.

 

[Osprey]

I like Lombardi, but I don't want to see him associated with Team USA again. He had final say in Tortorella's hiring and the one who announced and justified it. More in general, though, I'm tired of this living in the past and trying to re-create teams from decades ago. I can appreciate that past teams were gritty, plucky and hard-to-play-against underdogs, but that doesn't mean that future teams should be that. The game is becoming more skilled and USA Hockey has come a long way, but is now being held back by the people running it.

Lombardi may not yet be quite the dinosaur when it comes to the NHL (where he's only a few years removed from a championship team), but he's a dinosaur when it comes to these short international tournaments. You simply can't expect a championship team to come together in only a week or two and you can't afford to leave talent at home. I hope that, the next time we have a tournament like this (whether it's the Olympics in '18 or this again in '20), someone who understands this is put in charge. Assemble the most talented roster that you can and then hand it to a talented coach to make it work.

 

[William H Bonney]

I'm tired of Pacioretty and Parise, they can't score (or even register a shot) and are not leaders. Grinders such as Abdelkader and Backes were at least effective and noticeable in the roles they played. In 2010 there was hope for USA, this was much worse than 2014.

No one played well, so criticism of every player is valid, but I wouldn't say Abdelkader or Backes were effective or noticeable.

 

[STC]

At this point I never want to see the following people in the red, white and blue ever again:

Paciorety
Wheeler
Backes
Dubinsky
Abdelcaker or whatever the F his name is
Johnson & Johnson
Niskanen
Buff


Might be adding Kesler and Oshie to that list as well, I'm not seeing much value in either of those two in the past two tournaments (aside from skills competition).

Giving McDonough and Carlson the benefit of the doubt for now, but they were pretty terrible in both games.

 

[Xokkeu]

The NHL needs to donate more money to USA Hockey so that they can influence the Team USA selection process and get rid of people like Brian Burke. The NHL needs to look at this as a business decision because ultimately the better USA hockey does the better the NHL does!

I'm all for the NHL random giving USA hockey a bunch of money but this isn't why they have hired Burke

 

[STC]

Here's a question for everyone? Who do you think was the worst forward and worst defenseman for the US in this 2 game tournament (lets not kid ourselves, no one is showing up for the Czech game)?

For forwards I gotta go with Wheeler. I can't think of anyone else who was less noticeable than him up front. He came in so hyped too and produced nada. Was a ghost out there. Patches would be a close second.

As for D, unfortunately too many of them were noticeable for all the wrong reasons. Who was the worst? I don't know, pick a Johnson? I'll go with Eric cause at least Jack can say he didn't cause any goals today.

 

[Xokkeu]

Here's a question for everyone? Who do you think was the worst forward and worst defenseman for the US in this 2 game tournament (lets not kid ourselves, no one is showing up for the Czech game)?

For forwards I gotta go with Wheeler. I can't think of anyone else who was less noticeable than him up front. He came in so hyped too and produced nada. Was a ghost out there. Patches would be a close second.

As for D, unfortunately too many of them were noticeable for all the wrong reasons. Who was the worst? I don't know, pick a Johnson? I'll go with Eric cause at least Jack can say he didn't cause any goals today.

Nobody was good. They treated this like an exhibition tournament

 

[ECanuck]

Here's a question for everyone? Who do you think was the worst forward and worst defenseman for the US in this 2 game tournament (lets not kid ourselves, no one is showing up for the Czech game)?

For forwards I gotta go with Wheeler. I can't think of anyone else who was less noticeable than him up front. He came in so hyped too and produced nada. Was a ghost out there. Patches would be a close second.

As for D, unfortunately too many of them were noticeable for all the wrong reasons. Who was the worst? I don't know, pick a Johnson? I'll go with Eric cause at least Jack can say he didn't cause any goals today.

Don't know about the worst players but the best players were left off the team to play for North America. Those guys have too much skills and not enough toughness.

 

[AmericanDream]

Here's a question for everyone? Who do you think was the worst forward and worst defenseman for the US in this 2 game tournament (lets not kid ourselves, no one is showing up for the Czech game)?

For forwards I gotta go with Wheeler. I can't think of anyone else who was less noticeable than him up front. He came in so hyped too and produced nada. Was a ghost out there. Patches would be a close second.

As for D, unfortunately too many of them were noticeable for all the wrong reasons. Who was the worst? I don't know, pick a Johnson? I'll go with Eric cause at least Jack can say he didn't cause any goals today.

Suter was almost invisible - needed so much more out of him.

Patches should never wear a USA jersey again...I love the guy and know he is a player, but this was a pathetic showing...18 others had pretty pathetic showings as well, but those two stood out as guys who needed to step up and be leaders but went invisible.

 

[Beerz]

Outside of Kane this team has very limited talent.

The Centers are grade A horrible for this kind of tournament. Kesler would be centering the 4th line ideally.

Helps on the way tho.

Buff and Jack Johnson and Nik should never put on a Red White and blue jersey again

 

[William H Bonney]

Here's a question for everyone? Who do you think was the worst forward and worst defenseman for the US in this 2 game tournament (lets not kid ourselves, no one is showing up for the Czech game)?

For forwards I gotta go with Wheeler. I can't think of anyone else who was less noticeable than him up front. He came in so hyped too and produced nada. Was a ghost out there. Patches would be a close second.

As for D, unfortunately too many of them were noticeable for all the wrong reasons. Who was the worst? I don't know, pick a Johnson? I'll go with Eric cause at least Jack can say he didn't cause any goals today.

I won't count guys that I didn't expect anything from like Abdelkader, Dubinsky, JJ, etc, and again no one was "good" but the most disappointing with expectations:

Forward - Pacioretty (invisible offensively and costly turnovers)
Defenseman - McDonagh (supposed to provide rock solid d, but did anything but that. He was especially bad against Europe)

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Dean Lombardi, General Manager
Paul Holmgren, Assistant General Manager
Brian Burke, Senior Advisor
Jim Johannson, Hockey Operations
John Tortorella, Head Coach

all these guys have to go.

I wouldn't blame individual players for not belonging in the tournament

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

Here's a question for everyone? Who do you think was the worst forward and worst defenseman for the US in this 2 game tournament (lets not kid ourselves, no one is showing up for the Czech game)?

For forwards I gotta go with Wheeler. I can't think of anyone else who was less noticeable than him up front. He came in so hyped too and produced nada. Was a ghost out there. Patches would be a close second.

As for D, unfortunately too many of them were noticeable for all the wrong reasons. Who was the worst? I don't know, pick a Johnson? I'll go with Eric cause at least Jack can say he didn't cause any goals today.

The only player(s) that impressed me at all:
Patrick Kane (I know he had little end product, but he clearly was trying out there)

Everyone else was mediocre to terrible.

 

[kingsboy11]

National humiliation might be a big enough wake up call for upper management. Right down to coach, and right down to the player selection. I'm not sure why Abdelkader was even considered for the roster, much less making the team. Phil Kessel, Shattenkirk and Faulk were all sitting at home watching this game shaking their heads knowing they could've done a hell of lot better than those that were on the ice tonight. Just absolutely shameful, disappointing, embarrassing.

Good news is that we have some great young talent coming up through the ranks in Matthews, Eichel, Larkin, Gaudreau, Saad and others. But everyone in USA hockey has to realize that we can't have results like what we have had since 2010. Need to move forward.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Parise -- Pavelski -- Kane
Pacioretty -- Johnson -- Kessel
Backes -- Kesler -- Wheeler
JVR -- Stepan -- Palmieri
X - Ryan

Suter -- Byfuglien
McDonagh -- Carlson
Leddy -- Faulk
X - Shattenkirk

Schneider
Bishop
Quick


That would've been so much better a lineup.

IN: Kessel, Tyler Johnson, Ryan, Leddy, Faulk, Shattenkirk
OUT: Abdelkader, Dubinsky, Oshie, Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, Niskanen

 

[Claypool]

Parise -- Pavelski -- Kane
Pacioretty -- Johnson -- Kessel
Backes -- Kesler -- Wheeler
JVR -- Stepan -- Palmieri
X - Ryan

Suter -- Byfuglien
McDonagh -- Carlson
Leddy -- Faulk
X - Shattenkirk

Schneider
Bishop
Quick


That would've been so much better a lineup.

IN: Kessel, Tyler Johnson, Ryan, Leddy, Faulk, Shattenkirk
OUT: Abdelkader, Dubinsky, Oshie, Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, Niskanen

That lineup still doesn't beat Canada, certainly not in a best of three, and I think still probably loses to Europe.

 

[me2]

National humiliation might be a big enough wake up call for upper management. Right down to coach, and right down to the player selection. I'm not sure why Abdelkader was even considered for the roster, much less making the team. Phil Kessel, Shattenkirk and Faulk were all sitting at home watching this game shaking their heads knowing they could've done a hell of lot better than those that were on the ice tonight. Just absolutely shameful, disappointing, embarrassing.

Good news is that we have some great young talent coming up through the ranks in Matthews, Eichel, Larkin, Gaudreau, Saad and others. But everyone in USA hockey has to realize that we can't have results like what we have had since 2010. Need to move forward.

Everyone assumes Kessel was left off because these guys are incompetent boobs (they probably still are), but maybe they had reasons for some players.

In Kessel's case they would have been asking about players health and maybe Pittsburgh said he needed surgery and they would prefer it if he didn't postponing it until October and sit out 3 months worth of NHL games (or even delaying it a year and play hurt) just so he could play for the USA over 24s team. If that's the case I don't see anything wrong with Pittsburgh valuing it's 2016-17 season.

 

[Beerz]

Parise -- Pavelski -- Kane
Pacioretty -- Johnson -- Kessel
Backes -- Kesler -- Wheeler
JVR -- Stepan -- Palmieri
X - Ryan

Suter -- Byfuglien
McDonagh -- Carlson
Leddy -- Faulk
X - Shattenkirk

Schneider
Bishop
Quick


That would've been so much better a lineup.

IN: Kessel, Tyler Johnson, Ryan, Leddy, Faulk, Shattenkirk
OUT: Abdelkader, Dubinsky, Oshie, Erik Johnson, Jack Johnson, Niskanen

Yeah...put the worst Dman we had on the top pair ...Buff shouldn't have even been on the team