Blue Jays Discussion: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo!!!!!!!!!! (avatars: posts 1-4)

[mcleex]

There is no ****ing way Choo interfered intentionally lol

Like I know the way the entire play unfolded is absolute ********. But there is no way someone purposely executed that

 

[mcleex]

Can someone please upload the entire 7th inning on Youtube?

 

[Ovate]

Actually that's wrong:

MLB Rule 6.03 (a) (3):

"If the batter is standing in the batter's box and he or his bat is struck by the catcher's throw back to the pitcher, and, in the umpire's judgment, there is no intent on the part of the batter to interfere with the throw, the ball is alive and in play.''

Any intent to deflect the ball by the batter would be a dead play

Cool, thanks for informing me.

 

[Longshot]

The funny thing is, if Jays aren't playing a shift, the errant throw is right at Donaldson and Odor doesn't even take a step towards home.

It was literally a perfect storm

I just noticed that. It basically happened because of a shift.

 

[Tragedy]

and the KC trolls have been unleashed

Lol give me a break. As if every fan base of every sport in the world doesn't have moronic keyboard warriors.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Exactly.

If you can't hit the ball being pitched to you ... take another swipe at it as the catcher throws it back. Smart move ... just like Choo shrewdly did.

The correct call is to give Choo a warning for intentionally interfering with the ball and that further rule violations could result in his ejection.

I don't think Choo did that intentionally. He would be pretty talented to do that. The rule does need to be adjusted so it doesn't happen to another team in an important game. The NFL make rule adjustments all the time to make the game better but MLB is pretty stubborn with these things because of all the old timers.

 

[topched]

well i am not saying go out there, and swing at everything. but at the same time, wouldn't taking a more. more patient approach (because for games 1-2, and a part of game 5), the Jays weren't patient at all. and I know a complaint has been especially if we don't go all "Blue Jay" - that we swing for home runs, not for base hits.

in my mind, wouldn't that help? but apparently not, so my apologises for having a different chain of thought.

The whole "Blue Jays" swing for the fences thing is a myth. They have a bunch of guys who look to make hard contact and are patient enough to take walks.

Swing for the fences is usually characterized by big lengthy uncontrolled swings contrasted with high SO rates. Jays have the best batting avg on pitches 97+mph. This all or nothing mentality is perpetuated by dumb American announcers who haven't watched the team, and notice that they hit lots of homers and rarely play for the single run.

 

[Sokil]

Lol give me a break. As if every fan base of every sport in the world doesn't have moronic keyboard warriors.

im just noticing a bunch, this guy stood out

didnt notice any idiots during the texas series or prior for that matter

 

[TootooTrain]

and the KC trolls have been unleashed

Don't get angry guys, just laugh. It was only just last year during their playoff run that Yost was pleading the public to come out to games. How quickly people forget.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The small concern I have is batters now going out of their way to try and utilize their batter's box space.

small ?
HUGE !!!
Choo scammed the rules once ... everyone knows the play now. Watch for it.

To me the call (within the rules) was he intentionally interfered with the throw back and deserved a warning.

I will say, the main issue here is the rule is bad and clearly had stupid consequences.

Strictly hypothetical, but I'm curious to know what kind of ruling would be made if instead of the bat, Martin struck Choo in the helmet.

or his sleeve.
interesting.

I would ask ... of the first pitch in the ALDS .. I implore Martin to walk the ball back to the mound ... or ask the batter to step out of the way the first 20 throws back to the mound

 

[Discoverer]

well i am not saying go out there, and swing at everything. but at the same time, wouldn't taking a more. more patient approach (because for games 1-2, and a part of game 5), the Jays weren't patient at all. and I know a complaint has been especially if we don't go all "Blue Jay" - that we swing for home runs, not for base hits.

in my mind, wouldn't that help? but apparently not, so my apologises for having a different chain of thought.

No need to apologize, it's just a discussion. The Jays swing for homeruns because they're power hitters, but they're one of the most patient teams in the league. If anything, you would think the Royals would try to hit the Jays' way, since the Jays have a vastly superior offense. Realistically, though, both teams should be trying to play to their strengths rather than doing something the other team succeeds at, if that makes sense.

 

[Sokil]

Don't get angry guys, just laugh. It was only just last year during their playoff run that Yost was pleading the public to come out to games. How quickly people forget.

I remember the team hate during that heated KC rivalry, but how were the fans during that? I mean, I think we all hate Baltimore fans, here

 

[bullocks]

Wow. i think a lot of us back in July were all like "Please lets face KC in the ALCS" heh. so watching some reports, it seems like while KC doesn't homer a lot - they are really good at manufacturing the run, which means, it seems like to me, we have to match that, and not go for the homer all the time.

and their bullpen is v. v. good, so basically we have to really get to the starter pitcher early and often, right? is there anything else, we (and by we, I mean, me) need to know about KC? it's probably going to be a tougher, right?

Texas is better then KC IMO. KC won't beat themselves tho and your right they do manufacture runs. However we have the clear advantage offensively and in our starting pitching. Houstons bullpen pretty much blew the series after leading for most of every game.

 

[Longshot]

The whole "Blue Jays" swing for the fences thing is a myth. They have a bunch of guys who look to make hard contact and are patient enough to take walks.

Swing for the fences is usually characterized by big lengthy uncontrolled swings contrasted with high SO rates. Jays have the best batting avg on pitches 97+mph. This all or nothing mentality is perpetuated by dumb American announcers who haven't watched the team, and notice that they hit lots of homers and rarely play for the single run.

To be fair, there are plenty of posters here that show up when things aren't going well and complain about "swinging for the fences", etc.

The proof is in the stats. The Jays are powerful and patient.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

There is no ****ing way Choo interfered intentionally lol

Prove it.
You dont know what he was thinking.
The burden is on the batter to get out of the way.
Otherwise ... you get into a stupid cat and mouse game ... which results in catchers taking forever to get the ball back.

Choo deserved a warning for *fake* unintentionally getting in the way.

I'm not sure it is fair to "try to get a hit" on the throw back to the mound.
Like Choo did.

 

[Tundra]

The whole "Blue Jays" swing for the fences thing is a myth. They have a bunch of guys who look to make hard contact and are patient enough to take walks.

Swing for the fences is usually characterized by big lengthy uncontrolled swings contrasted with high SO rates. Jays have the best batting avg on pitches 97+mph. This all or nothing mentality is perpetuated by dumb American announcers who haven't watched the team, and notice that they hit lots of homers and rarely play for the single run.

Perfect segue.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-alds-preview-rangers-blue-jays-astros-royals/

The Jays are an elite offensive team not only because they take walks and hit for power, but because they have one of the league’s lowest K rates, second only to Kansas City’s among playoff teams. Most teams known for their power and patience have the decency to strike out sometimes, since hitters who do well in those areas also tend to swing hard and get into deep counts. The Blue Jays are one of only 35 non-strike-season teams from baseball’s expansion era (1961–2015) to post a walk rate and an Isolated Power at least 15 percent higher than the MLB average. Of those 35 teams, only two (the 1985 and 2009 Yankees) struck out less often relative to their leagues than the Jays did this season. And neither of those two teams was quite Toronto’s equal in the patience or power departments.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I look forward to not hearing the words: Choo, Odur, Gallardo, Hamels until end of April 2016. Choo was impressive.

 

[Slot]

Do you have any photos of that?

All the evidence says it's not interference. Even if Choo stuck out his bat intentionally to deflect the ball, it would still be a legal play if he kept it inside the batter's box.

I said I wasn't disagreeing with you but that angle paints a different picture than the one that the overhead does.

 

[Discoverer]

Don't get angry guys, just laugh. It was only just last year during their playoff run that Yost was pleading the public to come out to games. How quickly people forget.

Not to mention, the Jays have outdrawn the Royals in attendance 28 of the last 30 years, including 2014, when the Royals broke their streak of 28 straight years of missing the playoffs in front of an average crowd of 24,000, a little over 5,000 per game less than the average game for the 3rd place Jays.

 

[beer123]

and the KC trolls have been unleashed

Did anyone give him actual stats? Jays average has been higher than Royals over the last few years.

In 2013, before the Royals became competitive, they averaged about 21,000 (good for 26th place) while the Jays were at about 31,000.

Facts will shut him up but if he's just a troll he's only here to annoy. Don't waste any time with these posters.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Perfect segue.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-alds-preview-rangers-blue-jays-astros-royals/

Great site.


1 LF Ben Revere L .306/.342/.377 98 634
2 3B Josh Donaldson R .297/.371/.568 154 711
3 RF Jose Bautista R .250/.377/.536 147 666
4 DH Edwin Encarnacion R .277/.372/.557 150 624
5 SS Troy Tulowitzki R .280/.337/.440 100 534
6 C Russell Martin R .240/.329/.458 114 507
7 1B Justin Smoak S .226/.299/.470 107 328
8 CF Kevin Pillar R .278/.314/.399 93 628
9 2B Ryan Goins L .250/.318/.354 84 428


I didn't like EE being intentionally walked so many times. Will the Royals do it ?
Seems like it paid off to walk him ! When they didnt yesterday .. he hit a dinger !

Would it be best for the team to reverse the order of Jose and Edwin ?
Thoughts ?
Would they still walk EE if he was ahead of Jose ?
Would teams intentionally walk Jose to get the fifth batter ?

Hmmm... I do see EE has a better average and I think EE and Jose are both poweful enough to hit from the 4th spot.

Thoughts ?

 

[Daisy Jane]

The whole "Blue Jays" swing for the fences thing is a myth. They have a bunch of guys who look to make hard contact and are patient enough to take walks.

Swing for the fences is usually characterized by big lengthy uncontrolled swings contrasted with high SO rates. Jays have the best batting avg on pitches 97+mph. This all or nothing mentality is perpetuated by dumb American announcers who haven't watched the team, and notice that they hit lots of homers and rarely play for the single run.

okay. thanks. like i said - it's just something I keep reading about (even here), so i just figured/thought, if we don't 'small ball" (I'm not sure if i am using this in the right context, so I'm sorry again), or manufacture runs, like say Kansas, that could potentially put us in trouble.

so if we rarely play for the single, what does that mean? like. I know we led (or was near the top) in doubles generated, so it's basically in this case - it "looks" like one thing, but really, no, we just really it the ballhard?

No need to apologize, it's just a discussion. The Jays swing for homeruns because they're power hitters, but they're one of the most patient teams in the league. If anything, you would think the Royals would try to hit the Jays' way, since the Jays have a vastly superior offense. Realistically, though, both teams should be trying to play to their strengths rather than doing something the other team succeeds at, if that makes sense.

sorry, I didn't mean the dig. something just happened and i felt all wounded puppy, and then the two comments, and i was extra wounded puppy, so I snapped a bit. that wasn't v. nice of me and it wasn't fair of me to take it on you.

it does make a lot of sense what you said so thanks for that.

 

[metafour]

Getting a little parallax from the angle there, the behind the plate angle shows how far over the plate the bat was, not disagreeing with you totally but it was definitely encroaching over the plate.

The overhead view showed the bat lining up right over the edge of the batters box pretty clearly. It wasn't even near the plate.

 

[Blitzkrug]

The Royals fans seemed more concerned with the Jays than their own team down the stretch, claiming they were nobodies and would be taken apart by the almighty AL champions.

Well, you got them now. Be careful what you wish for, best fans since 2014.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Because you have been wrong 4 thousand times ... doesnt make it right.
GET THE **** away ... so the catcher can throw the ball back.

Are you serious ?
The game should be delayed ... so the catcher waits until he has the chance to throw the ball back ... because the a$$ of a players is preventing a throw back to the plate.
He should be called for unsportsmanlike behaviour.
GET real.

On a side note: No offense to you. THE RULE NEEDS CHANGING.

They're not allowed to. They just made it so they can't step out of the box.