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WJC Group A: Dec 31 GDT - Canada vs. USA

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Westcoasthabsfan said:
R you his agent or something? I cant believe you are saying that about Parent... he has been average this tourney at best
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I appriciate solid, physical defenseman.
 
Was at the game, and what a great time it was. It was really pretty even, both goalies were pretty darn good. It's really too bad JJ did that, cause he had a very solid game up until that point. I'd say the game deserved a tie, cause both teams seemed very evenly matched.
 
Pathfinder said:
That wasn't your run of the mill 2 minute elbow. That was a clear intent to injure and when it's reviewed you can bet there will be a several game suspension for it.
One of the dirtiest shots I've seen in a long time.
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Really? Does anyone have anothe angle of this elbow? The ones that TSN had from up behind the goal show nothing of what you describe. I have it on tivo and it is clear his head does not even bounce back at all. It almost looks like he missed him or barely grazed him.

Now I am NOT saying this is what happened, but from the angles I saw this was not what Downie made it out to be.
 
gobert said:
Was at the game, and what a great time it was. It was really pretty even, both goalies were pretty darn good. It's really too bad JJ did that, cause he had a very solid game up until that point. I'd say the game deserved a tie, cause both teams seemed very evenly matched.
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:handclap: :handclap:

Great post. Agreed 100 percent.
 
Eric Boulton's elbow earlier this season also appeared glancing, and the head didn't snap back.

He got a multi-game suspension for it.

The IIHF punishes more than the NHL for infractions.
 
gobert said:
I'd say the game deserved a tie, cause both teams seemed very evenly matched.
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Well, not quite evenly mached in terms of skill obviously, but the Sutter style helped Canada narrow the gap for the under equipped Canadian team to be sure..
 
With those rock-hard elbow pads everybody uses these days, even a glancing blow can cause a serious concussion. Based on how he went down, I'd say JJ caught him enough.
Dumb move. Hope he does not get booted from the tourney, but he is probably gone.
 
Rush5Collapse5 said:
Well, not quite evenly mached in terms of skill obviously, but the Sutter style helped Canada narrow the gap for the under equipped Canadian team to be sure..
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Canada is not underequipped...wow
 
Rush5Collapse5 said:
Well, not quite evenly mached in terms of skill obviously, but the Sutter style helped Canada narrow the gap for the under equipped Canadian team to be sure..
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As we all know, sports aren't only decided on talent, there is heart,grit,and intelligent play as well. Let's also not forget about lady luck!!! Now it's time for the US and Canada to think about making the gold medal game, not just about beating the other. I'm sorry but if it were USA Vs. Canada for Bronze, it just wouldn't have the same ring to it!!! Here's to hoping that they re-match for the Gold!!!
 
Wild GM said:
Canada is not underequipped...wow
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No, they're not. Just like the USA isn't "overrated."

We're treated to a world-class game that would probably be better represented by a tie score...a possible setup to an outstanding rematch later...and idiots from both sides have to ruin it by hurling dung at each other. It's ridiculous.
 
Bruwinz37 said:
Really? Does anyone have anothe angle of this elbow? The ones that TSN had from up behind the goal show nothing of what you describe. I have it on tivo and it is clear his head does not even bounce back at all. It almost looks like he missed him or barely grazed him.

Now I am NOT saying this is what happened, but from the angles I saw this was not what Downie made it out to be.
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Do you really need to see another angle to see the intent? Whether he got the full blow in or not isn't the question. I don't think he landed it squarely either, thank heavens, but then again you don't need to to cause serious damage. He so obviously intended to land that elbow square in Downie's face. It's that intent I think that will get him into trouble when they review it.
 
nomorekids said:
No, they're not. Just like the USA isn't "overrated."

We're treated to a world-class game that would probably be better represented by a tie score...a possible setup to an outstanding rematch later...and idiots from both sides have to ruin it by hurling dung at each other. It's ridiculous.
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Once again :clap:
 
nomorekids said:
No, they're not. Just like the USA isn't "overrated."

We're treated to a world-class game that would probably be better represented by a tie score...a possible setup to an outstanding rematch later...and idiots from both sides have to ruin it by hurling dung at each other. It's ridiculous.
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I was going to quote your deleted post and say "When Mods Go Mad!!!". I know that you poor Mods have to be full to the brim with all of this crap. Your post is a great way to put things into perspective. BTW Happy New Years to those damn Americans and those damn Canucks!!! I'm both, so I have a right to talk smack about both!!!
 
Rush5Collapse5 said:
Well, not quite evenly mached in terms of skill obviously, but the Sutter style helped Canada narrow the gap for the under equipped Canadian team to be sure..
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On paper, USA has a stronger team, and I don't even think thats debateable, but tonight neither really looked better than the other.
 
I saw this coming with all the cheap shots the Canucks were taking after every whitsle, I just wish JJ didnt go for the head. The slashes and the cheap jabs in the back of the head. Im suprised the refs let it go on.

And why would Downey (sp) slash Johnson after he saw the puck going to the open net? Doesnt take away from what Johnson did but it wasnt the smartest move.

On the game it was very entertaining. The Canucks showed they are much stronger and physical than the US team but not as skilled as previous Canuck teams Ive seen in the past. Kessel did not have a great game. He has to come up with more than one move but his speed is world class. The physical play by Canada seemed to disrupt everything the US was trying to do.

I would like to see the strict officiating we have seen in the NHL in all international competitions. I come around to love to new rules that allow players to play without all the stick work that slows the game down. Just imagine how much more open and faster this game would have been. Kind of gets me dizzy thinking about it.
 
Caoimhín said:
I saw this coming with all the cheap shots the Canucks were taking after every whitsle, I just wish JJ didnt go for the head. The slashes and the cheap jabs in the back of the head. Im suprised the refs let it go on.

And why would Downey (sp) slash Johnson after he saw the puck going to the open net? Doesnt take away from what Johnson did but it wasnt the smartest move.

On the game it was very entertaining. The Canucks showed they are much stronger and physical than the US team but not as skilled as previous Canuck teams Ive seen in the past. Kessel did not have a great game. He has to come up with more than one move but his speed is world class. The physical play by Canada seemed to disrupt everything the US was trying to do.

I would like to see the strict officiating we have seen in the NHL in all international competitions. I come around to love to new rules that allow players to play without all the stick work that slows the game down. Just imagine how much more open and faster this game would have been. Kind of gets me dizzy thinking about it.
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Downey is a cheap shot artist, I am just disappointed that JJ allowed himself to be provoked like that. I would definitely not want JJ to be suspended, I do not see the reason why he should unless IIHF also suspends the canadian players for the fight against Norway.
 
Rush5Collapse5 said:
Well, not quite evenly mached in terms of skill obviously, but the Sutter style helped Canada narrow the gap for the under equipped Canadian team to be sure..
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Coaches are often your team's MVP, and Brent Sutter is easily the best coach not in the NHL right now (and even in the NHL, would likely be one of the best).
 
DynamoAO said:
The selection committee for selecting a soft and slow team?
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It's not like the USA has such high-end talent level that Canada gets to choose from. The USA selection team at most had only like 40 guys on their list, and everyone on the team would be no worse than being on the top 25. Canada gets to pick and choose based on needs.
 
gobert said:
On paper, USA has a stronger team, and I don't even think thats debateable, but tonight neither really looked better than the other.
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That's all I was saying. US team has as TSN is quoted saying "host of of first-round thoroughbreds" in Kessel, Ryan, Skille, Oshie, Schremp, Bourque, Wheeler, the Johnson's, and Lee. I don't think it's "hurling dung" to say they are more "skilled".

Sutter did a great job preparing his troops to incapacitate an already tired US team, to give them nothing, and render them near useless. I don't know why I'm getting flack for being respectfully honest.
 
Rush5Collapse5 said:
That's all I was saying. US team has as TSN is quoted saying "host of of first-round thoroughbreds" in Kessel, Ryan, Skille, Oshie, Schremp, Bourque, Wheeler, the Johnson's, and Lee. I don't think it's "hurling dung" to say they are more "skilled".

Sutter did a great job preparing his troops to incapacitate an already tired US team, to give them nothing, and render them near useless. I don't know why I'm getting flack for being respectfully honest.
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I don't think US is a better team. I think they have alot of talent, but that doesn't mean you have a better team.

USA might have some impressive firepower, but their depth is thin.
 
Does anyone have a clip of the highlights to this game, JJ's cheap shot in particular?
 
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Fantastic game and deserving of a tie. The defences for both teams are great. Canada has to finish better -- too many missed nets -- and Kessel has got to come up with another move. He surprised everyone last year but not this year.
 
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