WJC Group A: Dec 28 GDT - USA vs. Finland

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Jon Prescription said:
Ahhh, well I'll trust the announcers who are actually pretty unbiased who were wondering what in the world the call was and why it was called over someone who is obviously biased ;)
Who says the announcers are unbiased. I can't believe you're yelling ridiculous and accusing people of being biased yet you haven't seen a second of the game. Now that's what I call bias and ridiculous.
 
Jon Prescription said:
Look. USA is winning because they are the better team. Not because of some "fix" or some other crap that anti-US people can think of.

And of story.
Yeah and how would you know that for sure? You've seen the game? DID YOU SEE THE GAME?!?
 
I was at the game tonight, and apart from the lulls in the second and third period, it was a pretty exciting game. Much more so than the CAN/SWI game earlier in the day...

Actually, the hilight of the game wasn't the game itself, it was that we were sitting right across the aisle from the TSN commentating booth with Gord Miller and Pierre McGuire! You wouldn't believe how many fans told poor Pierre how much he resembled a vacuum cleaner... :biglaugh: :(

Anyways, as for the game, America was definitely the more skilled team. But it was Finland who really brought the effort tonight. It was great to see the Canadian fans support the Finnish team so well. Now I'm not going to get into a debate about whether all of the Finnish penalties were correctly called, but I will agree with the sentiment that if Finland did not spend so much time in the penalty box, then they would not have had to come back by 3 goals with 5:00 to play. Finland seemed to win a large amount of the faceoffs, and they were easily able to setup a powerplay. The US team seemed really passive in the neutral zone at times.

I was really disappointed that Schneider did not get the start tonight. I was hoping to get a good glimpse of the Canuck prospect.
 
psycho_dad said:
Oh yeah...will you guys in the U.S get to see the game later on? How about in Canada?
For Canada, the game was shown on TSNHD live tonight and I saw the whole game. Those without HD will see the game tomorrow on TSN. I don't know if Americans get to see it.
 
Like someone mentioned, this game was much less physical than I anticipated. Especially I looked forward to seeing Geoff Paukovich pummel Finnish forwards, but that didn't happen. Obviously all those penalties prevented regular shifts from many guys. During the numerous power plays, Rob Schremp made clever and safe plays. Some other guys who stood out due to their speed, were Oshie and Kessel.
 
I was shocked to hear the "Lets go Finland!" chant several times in the arena, Canucks really hate US it seems.
 
Pepper said:
I was shocked to hear the "Lets go Finland!" chant several times in the arena, Canucks really hate US it seems.
I don't think its as much a hate for Americans, as it is a love for seeing them lose. :)

Canada fans realize the US is our biggest rival in this tourney, so for us to win they must lose.

Pretty simple logic.
 
Canuck21t said:
For Canada, the game was shown on TSNHD live tonight and I saw the whole game. Those without HD will see the game tomorrow on TSN. I don't know if Americans get to see it.

Would be great to hear peoples opinions about the reffing especially in the 1st period when USA was behind. I mean...it was something I have not seen in a while, dunno about you canadian guys.
 
Pepper said:
I was shocked to hear the "Lets go Finland!" chant several times in the arena, Canucks really hate US it seems.

lol me too. But I think the main reason they were rooting for Finland was that if US had lost the game Canada would have had better chances to win the group.
 
jtuzzi said:
I don't think its as much a hate for Americans, as it is a love for seeing them lose. :)

Canada fans realize the US is our biggest rival in this tourney, so for us to win they must lose.

Pretty simple logic.

Also...the crowd really turned on finlands side on that "holding the stick" call. They were quite neutral before that, but once they noticed how horrible the reffing was they really started to cheer for Finland and boo the states..and the ref especially. Informed crowd.
 
Atrocious reffing aside, that was a heck of a game. Especially being there, it was awesome seeing the crowd get behind the Finnish team, and watching a couple of highlight goals by Tukonen and Korpikoski.

BTW, I really, really loved Korpikoski tonight. He was all over the ice and showed a lot of speed and hustle.
 
jtuzzi said:
I don't think its as much a hate for Americans, as it is a love for seeing them lose. :)

Canada fans realize the US is our biggest rival in this tourney, so for us to win they must lose.

Pretty simple logic.
I don't think that's quite true. Many Canadians just don't like Americans succeeding in hockey. This "hate" towards the US is not only seen in this tourney but is seen in almost all hockey tournements. I remember when the US was playing against Russia in the '96 World Cup, Canadians were actually cheering for Russia. Some Canadian fans were interviewed and they said that they rather see Canada lose to Russia than to the US.
 
psycho_dad said:
Also...the crowd really turned on finlands side on that "holding the stick" call. They were quite neutral before that, but once they noticed how horrible the reffing was they really started to cheer for Finland and boo the states..and the ref especially. Informed crowd.

Yeah that was a very weak call. What the hell was the ref thinking? :shakehead
 
psycho_dad said:
Would be great to hear peoples opinions about the reffing especially in the 1st period when USA was behind. I mean...it was something I have not seen in a while, dunno about you canadian guys.
What I think about the reffing? Well I've been watching international hockey for 18 years and this is one of the worsts if not the worse officiating I've ever seen. The best of the best was the holding-the-stick call... wow.
 
psycho_dad said:
Also...the crowd really turned on finlands side on that "holding the stick" call. They were quite neutral before that, but once they noticed how horrible the reffing was they really started to cheer for Finland and boo the states..and the ref especially. Informed crowd.
Exactly! U gotta love the Canadian audience. They know hockey! :clap: :bow:
IMO the wjc's should be played in Canada every second year or so, it's so nice to see the crowd get excited for every game. It also has to be an amazing experience for the young kids from europe.
 
Pepper said:
I was shocked to hear the "Lets go Finland!" chant several times in the arena, Canucks really hate US it seems.
They were cheering for Norway too, they must feel threatend or something.
 
My comments from the game:

The reffing was terrible, again, as we all know. Ridiculous calls all over the ice, and guys really didn't seem to know what was a penalty and what wasn't. He was awful all night both ways, but I think Finland got the short end of the stick overall. Slightly off topic, what is with all the guys getting thrown out of the faceoff circle? It's been happening all tournament, but in this game especially it seemed like people were being thrown out at random, and very often.

No 13th forward tonight for the USA, but Wheeler, Ryan and Mueller all took shifts on Schremp's wings. Mueller got the most time I'd say, and then maybe Ryan just because he played a good chunk on the pp, but Wheeler definitely played much more than last game, and I thought had a nice game. Top 4 for the USA played a lot more than the bottom 3, and particularly the bottom 2 (Mitera and Niskanen). I thought Jack Johnson played quite well, and Brian Lee looked good. He's the kind of player who isn't going to wow you, but he makes great defensive reads and moves the puck well. Jack Johnson on the other hand everyone notices with his strength and physical play, great mobility and good first pass. Korpikoski burned him a couple of times, but other than that he played quite well (and a ton), and is really showing me why he's so highly touted.

Speaking of Korpikoski, I thought he had a great game and was dangerous all night. He used his speed very well tonight 5 on 5 which I wish there had been more of, and created several chances coming in off the wing. When he keeps his feet moving, he's good. The Finnish defense is their downfall in my opinion. They're awful. They lose battles down low regularly, and the coverage is poor. Guys seem to regularly beat them one on one and often walk out front unimpeded.

The first period was completely dominated by the Americans, and although the reffing was favourable to them, their pps were very sharp and they were much better 5 on 5 as well. Both of Finland's goals in the first looked ridiculously weak from where I sat, although I was at the other end. The game evened out in the second and third, although I still think the edge in play was to the Americans.

The goaltending was not very good on either side I don't think, but particularly for the US. Even though Frazee made a few good saves, I thought he looked quite shaky all night, and might have played his way out of the #1 spot. On the first goal, Frazee seemed to kind of jump at the point shot, and inexplicably ended up on his back flopping around as the rebound which shouldn't have existed was popped in. On the second one Bourque made a poor decision to pinch after a weak pass from down low on the pp, and Korpikoski beat him down the wing to get a semi break, but Jack Johnson came back to force a backhand from not a great angle which Frazee should have stopped in his sleep. None of the goals after that were soft I don't think, but I just never thought Frazee looked very good in there. Ramo was better, but I didn't think his rebound control was very good and overall he was only average at best. An outstanding goaltending performance could have won Finland the game, although on the other side of things even okay goaltending from Frazee would have probably sealed a win for the Americans.

Individually, I thought Korpikoski was the best player on either team tonight, but I was paying attention mostly to the American team so that's who I have comments on. Kessel was okay, but I was a little disappointed in his line after their performance against Norway. He did show a few flashes of brilliance, but I didn't think he was consistently dangerous. TJ Oshie is growing on me as a big strong physical player with pretty good hands. Schremp is outstanding on the powerplay, and really seems to control things from his spot on the right halfboards. Both Ryan and Wheeler were better tonight, and both had more icetime (especially Wheeler). Ryan still has the piano tied to him though, and can't beat anyone to a loose puck. Mueller continues to do all the little things, and plays with amazing maturity and responsibility for a 17 year old. As he gets more comfortable, I think he could become a really big part of this team. It's a shame he doesn't take more faceoffs though, as having seen him in the WHL he is absolutely deadly on the draw. Jack Johnson as I have already said I thought played very well again. He is a horse, and as of right now my pick for best defenseman. Erik has great talent and tools; his combination of size and mobility alone make him a great prospect, although I'm not completely sold on him as a top 2 defenseman on what is supposed to be the best team. Butler was up and down for me tonight.

All in all, I thought the Americans were the better team tonight regardless of officiating, but much like Canada today, if they want to win they have to play much better.
 
I'm sure most here saw this, but here are some pictures I took during the game, plus a video clip of the 5th Finnish goal.

That ref made this a very ugly game to watch...
 
Man, this was the worst officiating i've seen since the brutal Alex Dell in the World Champioships a couple of years ago. But this Swede didn't have a clue either.. Finland got screwed, with the U.S scoring 4 of their goals on the PP. Imo this U.S team is overrated, and will lose to either Canada or Russia in the playoffs. Finland on the other hand will have thier hands full making the quaterfinals. The forwards are pretty good this year, but the D is just brutal.. Goaltending hasn't been that spectacular.
 
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