Dakota Sioux
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I'm just correcting the guy because he said Americans would never cheer for Canada.Hell I like your country,if I didn't live in the states I would love to be a citizen of Canada.NightScout said:
WJC Group A: Dec 28 GDT - USA vs. Finland
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I had the pleasure of visiting Toronto a couple of summers ago while the summer olympics were going on. Great city, Great eat's (The Keg I think is what it's called was awesome)
While there I saw a lot of Olympic coverage on the channels and a local "call in" show there in Toronto and I was just amazed at how many times the US was brought up. You couldn't go 5 minutes without someone bringing up an American.
One that really sticks in my head was during one of the local sports wrap shows they mentioned a US tennis player losing and there was a "aahhhh, too bad" voiced off screen. The guy giving the report said "Come on, I thought we talked about not doing this today." and then laughed
One of the guys that traveled with me didn't believe me when I told him the Canadians are not too fond of American's. I turned on in my hotel room a call in show that was talking about the olympics that I had been watching earlier and told him to just listen for 15 mins and he'll think other wise. It didn't even take that long for him to hear numerous Canadians, not talking about their Canadian athletes but picking out certain bad things to say about US athletes. Bad sportsmanship (like the US has exclusive rights to this), etc.
Honestly, and I hate to be this rude, but Canada in the US isn't even on our minds. You can listen a whole day to a radio talk show or television show and you don't even hear the words Canadain, Canada, etc.
Booing the National anthems or cheering against each other is no big deal in my mind. Both countries have good points and bad points. The competitivness between the two in certain things are obvious and those things will never change.
There are two things I hate. #1 People who are intolerant of people from other countries and #2 I hate the Dutch.
While there I saw a lot of Olympic coverage on the channels and a local "call in" show there in Toronto and I was just amazed at how many times the US was brought up. You couldn't go 5 minutes without someone bringing up an American.
One that really sticks in my head was during one of the local sports wrap shows they mentioned a US tennis player losing and there was a "aahhhh, too bad" voiced off screen. The guy giving the report said "Come on, I thought we talked about not doing this today." and then laughed
One of the guys that traveled with me didn't believe me when I told him the Canadians are not too fond of American's. I turned on in my hotel room a call in show that was talking about the olympics that I had been watching earlier and told him to just listen for 15 mins and he'll think other wise. It didn't even take that long for him to hear numerous Canadians, not talking about their Canadian athletes but picking out certain bad things to say about US athletes. Bad sportsmanship (like the US has exclusive rights to this), etc.
Honestly, and I hate to be this rude, but Canada in the US isn't even on our minds. You can listen a whole day to a radio talk show or television show and you don't even hear the words Canadain, Canada, etc.
Booing the National anthems or cheering against each other is no big deal in my mind. Both countries have good points and bad points. The competitivness between the two in certain things are obvious and those things will never change.
There are two things I hate. #1 People who are intolerant of people from other countries and #2 I hate the Dutch.
well,it was outside the arena,whatever.........it was in the season preview of the hockey news this year if you don't trust me.In was in an article about why people hate the maple leafs.Are you saying they lied?maddog24g said:
You Try again.And i don't need an article about the yankee example...................i saw and heard it with my own eyes.There you go,looks like you've lost your moral high ground.You and a few other people.
SectionX said:
Of course there's no conspiracy. The ref probably just sucked (I didn't watch the game though). People are just disappointed at the result and are looking left and right for consoling excuses.
I like Swedes ok and also think rather highly of the Swedes here at HF, with a couple exceptions (you're not one of them).
maddog24g said:
it'd still be americans burning a canadian flag...well, if you can consider islanders fans representatives of america
at any rate, if it happened (i have no clue) then it was stupid
no you don't but whats the difference(i read the article months ago,Isles-Rags,who cares which)............i do believe the Isles play in the States and their fans are Americans right? Burning the Canadian flag?maddog24g said:
Don't you think whining about booing and pointing at us is a little hypocritical then? I think the point is escaping you.
Regardless,for the upteenth time,the thread is about the GAME,not who boos who.Let's not get it started in that direction and everyone here will be better off right? I don't need to come here to see that crap. Talk about the freakin game.
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Wow, good rally by the Americans after coming out a little flat. Oshee and Porter have been surprisingly impressive to me, I didn't know a whole lot about either of them. Neither goaltender has been too good. Hopefully the Yanks keep it up.
Dakota Sioux said:
Okay YANK, i will get right on that
As mentioned in the post below yours, the only reason Canada was cheered for was because of the Russia game.
Nice try though, you just about had me convinced, until i read the first word of your response.
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cyclops said:
Best diver at least.
No, seriously, good at drawing penalties... I always hated their kind...
well,he's always hard on the puck and knows what to do with it when he get's it,those kind of guys usually draw penalties.NightScout said:
I was at the game last night and it was a great game to watch. Too bad that the Finns had a couple of undisciplined penalties and let up at the end of the first and second period because that could have easily been a Finnish victory. The officiating wasn't great. The guy totally missed a call behind the play when a Finnish defender got hauled down.
The crowd was pretty anit-American. Myself, I cheered the Finns on as they were the underdog and played a fairly good game, but I did not boo the US. Frazee looked pretty bad on a couple of those goals. He probably won't be starting any more games unless Schneider tanks it. Ryan looked pretty good out there. Even though Wheeler scored a couple, he is way overrated and I don't know how he managed to be a top 5 pick. Kessel has got wheels, but I swear he only ever makes one move when he is one on one. Any decent defender who has seen him play should be able to stand him up and plant him on his rear. Lee hasn't impressed me very much this tournament. EJ & JJ continue to be the best dmen on the roster. Oshie looked great most of the time he was out there. What's up with Fritsche and his mouthguard? All he does all game is chew on it. It is never actually in his mouth protecting his teeth. Why even bother wearing one?
I'm not as worried about Canada facing the US after watching that game.
The crowd was pretty anit-American. Myself, I cheered the Finns on as they were the underdog and played a fairly good game, but I did not boo the US. Frazee looked pretty bad on a couple of those goals. He probably won't be starting any more games unless Schneider tanks it. Ryan looked pretty good out there. Even though Wheeler scored a couple, he is way overrated and I don't know how he managed to be a top 5 pick. Kessel has got wheels, but I swear he only ever makes one move when he is one on one. Any decent defender who has seen him play should be able to stand him up and plant him on his rear. Lee hasn't impressed me very much this tournament. EJ & JJ continue to be the best dmen on the roster. Oshie looked great most of the time he was out there. What's up with Fritsche and his mouthguard? All he does all game is chew on it. It is never actually in his mouth protecting his teeth. Why even bother wearing one?
I'm not as worried about Canada facing the US after watching that game.
Good report.Kessel: yeah,that outside-inny is getting pretty old and he'll have to add something else to his repretoire for sure,i can't imagine every d-man at this tourney not being aware of it now by their coaches.He's still dangerous though and he's moving the puck well out there so thats something scouts wanted to see and i think they're seeing it.Nash said:
And yes,they are a good team but i'm not as worried about them as previously,they are beatable for sure.having said that,they'll play tighter and better against us then this game you can be sure.
NightScout said:
That award would have to go to Nathan "Gerbil" Gerbe. That guy is so small that he drew a low sticking penalty last night as well as roughing calls on rountine hits. Big players should not be penalized for pummeling this little gerbil. 5'5 & 160 is a generous listing for this guy.
i've noticed everyone on the U.S team is "special" to Pierre.
Kessel is special.
Ryan has special hands
Schremp is special on the power play
E.Johnson is a special physical specimen.
Walt Kyle is a special coach.
They have a special trainer this year,maybe the best trainer they've ever had at this tourney.
Dammit,Jimmy the water boy is special.
They're all special.
Kessel is special.
Ryan has special hands
Schremp is special on the power play
E.Johnson is a special physical specimen.
Walt Kyle is a special coach.
They have a special trainer this year,maybe the best trainer they've ever had at this tourney.
Dammit,Jimmy the water boy is special.
They're all special.
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I found Wheeler to be totally invisible. Sure he scored twice, but I don't think that was indicitive of his play, he was just lucky.
As for the Finns, and guys who are not drafted, like I said I really like Jokinen, Sailio and Leinonen. They have some guys who are willing to work and put the effort in, some guys just don't have the skills yet. Joensuu, like most, is not impressing many people.
As for the Finns, and guys who are not drafted, like I said I really like Jokinen, Sailio and Leinonen. They have some guys who are willing to work and put the effort in, some guys just don't have the skills yet. Joensuu, like most, is not impressing many people.
go kim johnsson 514 said:
Maybe he have got some boost of his brother(Jussi) going to NHL and he is now more willing to become NHL'er too
The US's main problem is depth on defence. Mitera seems to be playing the Pokulok role by sitting on the bench the entire game and Niskanen joined him after some early 1st period shifts. This meant they played with 5 defenceman for most of the game with Jack Johnson being double-shifted, and I think that'll be trouble against a hard forechecking team like Canada.
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This thread is pretty incredible, but I'm not getting into some of the hilarious things I've read here.
I just finished watching the game. The officiating...was bad. Finland got the worst of it, admittedly...but on the same note, it wasn't AS bad as it was made out to be in this thread, mostly by Finns and temporary-Finns(read: SOME Canadians)...but it was bad. The Americans DID get a few weak calls on them as well, the difference was the Finnish PP didn't capitalize, or else there'd probably be a similar uproar from American fans. In a way, I'm glad the Finns put a scare into the USA, as I don't think the Americans came to play today and they found out what happens when they bring a C-effort against a strong team's A-game...similar to the scare the Swiss put on Canada(speaking of...for a choice few of you that are notorious for popping into every USA-Intl. thread to denigrate the American team...if this game showed you that the American team is 'nothing special' or 'nothing to fear,' I could but won't say the same thing about the Swiss game. *I* am smarter than that, and recognize a mediocre effort when I see it.) and hopefully they will take a wake-up call from this. Frazee made some great saves, good rebound control...but one-on-one, I'll take Schneider every time. Frazee will be great next year, but he's not there yet. Schneider has got to be in net from here on out.
On to individual performances-
Schremp and Oshie were the USA's best players tonight, goals not withstanding. The Blues made everyone scratch their head when the picked an unknown in TJ Oshie, but he's made me a believer. Schremp is a threat every time he was on the ice.
E. Johnson didn't play quite the game he did last time, but J. Johnson looked much better. It's tough to say how good they could have played if Kyle wasn't going with a short bench(Niskanen played almost none, Mitera didn't play at all). Those guys had to be gassed.
Nice game from Wheeler.
Kessel has obviously got all the skill in the world, speed to burn as well...but I want to see less showing off and less puck-hogging. If he used his speed and passing ability to set up the play, rather than trying to score the highlight reel goal, he would be the most dangerous player in the tournament.
Ryan played BETTER. Somewhere in between's Mr Prescription's scathing hatred and GagneOwnsU's creepy mancrush. He made a horrible turnover on the second Finnish goal, he also made a nice shot on the assist from Kessel. McDonald...I like you, man...but to say he's the second most talented player on the American team is...absurd. He got plenty of icetime tonight, and played a so-so game. He's young yet, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Bourque tried a little too hard tonight. Keep it simple.
I like Porter's game, and I like spreading out the scoring...but I think someone else needs to take his place on that line.
Nice game from the lower lines...Fritsche and Gerbe are good energy grinders.
From the Finns--
Korpikoski is a stud. Lightning fast speed, great hands, nice moves. The Rags get gem.
Tukonen-- Not to add fuel to the already worn-out argument...but this is about the sixth time I've seen he and Korpikoski play...and I'm ready to say that Korps is the better player. Will that change in time? Maybe, but right now...it's not even close. Still played a good game, nice goal on that breakaway.
Seitsonen- the Flames got a STEAL. The Finns' second most dangerous player. Great PP QB, laser shot. Very nice player.
Laakso- A forgotten Nashville Predator prospect, I get to toot our horn here. The only Finnish d-man worth writing home about. Plays a great two way game...nice shot, nice passing...vicious checker. The Canadian commentators had a lot of good stuff to say about him, especially in respect to the Preds' prospect stable.
Ramo- Okay...Finnish fans...lay off the guy. He kept the game from getting ugly and out of hand early. He made a few highlight reel stops, and I don't think much blame could be put on him for the goals scored. From what I saw of the Canadian game, Rask's poor play(well, and a bad effort from the Finns) was the difference between that game and this one. He needs to be the starter from here on out. Sorry Leafs fans, at least you have Pogge.
All in all, it was a frustrating game to watch...but you see Kyle's fire on the bench, this isn't the same complacent team with that dope Sandelin from last year. Walt Kyle was bright red with anger by the end of the game, and I think he's going to rip them apart, which he needs to do. Expect a much different effort against the Swiss.
I just finished watching the game. The officiating...was bad. Finland got the worst of it, admittedly...but on the same note, it wasn't AS bad as it was made out to be in this thread, mostly by Finns and temporary-Finns(read: SOME Canadians)...but it was bad. The Americans DID get a few weak calls on them as well, the difference was the Finnish PP didn't capitalize, or else there'd probably be a similar uproar from American fans. In a way, I'm glad the Finns put a scare into the USA, as I don't think the Americans came to play today and they found out what happens when they bring a C-effort against a strong team's A-game...similar to the scare the Swiss put on Canada(speaking of...for a choice few of you that are notorious for popping into every USA-Intl. thread to denigrate the American team...if this game showed you that the American team is 'nothing special' or 'nothing to fear,' I could but won't say the same thing about the Swiss game. *I* am smarter than that, and recognize a mediocre effort when I see it.) and hopefully they will take a wake-up call from this. Frazee made some great saves, good rebound control...but one-on-one, I'll take Schneider every time. Frazee will be great next year, but he's not there yet. Schneider has got to be in net from here on out.
On to individual performances-
Schremp and Oshie were the USA's best players tonight, goals not withstanding. The Blues made everyone scratch their head when the picked an unknown in TJ Oshie, but he's made me a believer. Schremp is a threat every time he was on the ice.
E. Johnson didn't play quite the game he did last time, but J. Johnson looked much better. It's tough to say how good they could have played if Kyle wasn't going with a short bench(Niskanen played almost none, Mitera didn't play at all). Those guys had to be gassed.
Nice game from Wheeler.
Kessel has obviously got all the skill in the world, speed to burn as well...but I want to see less showing off and less puck-hogging. If he used his speed and passing ability to set up the play, rather than trying to score the highlight reel goal, he would be the most dangerous player in the tournament.
Ryan played BETTER. Somewhere in between's Mr Prescription's scathing hatred and GagneOwnsU's creepy mancrush. He made a horrible turnover on the second Finnish goal, he also made a nice shot on the assist from Kessel. McDonald...I like you, man...but to say he's the second most talented player on the American team is...absurd. He got plenty of icetime tonight, and played a so-so game. He's young yet, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Bourque tried a little too hard tonight. Keep it simple.
I like Porter's game, and I like spreading out the scoring...but I think someone else needs to take his place on that line.
Nice game from the lower lines...Fritsche and Gerbe are good energy grinders.
From the Finns--
Korpikoski is a stud. Lightning fast speed, great hands, nice moves. The Rags get gem.
Tukonen-- Not to add fuel to the already worn-out argument...but this is about the sixth time I've seen he and Korpikoski play...and I'm ready to say that Korps is the better player. Will that change in time? Maybe, but right now...it's not even close. Still played a good game, nice goal on that breakaway.
Seitsonen- the Flames got a STEAL. The Finns' second most dangerous player. Great PP QB, laser shot. Very nice player.
Laakso- A forgotten Nashville Predator prospect, I get to toot our horn here. The only Finnish d-man worth writing home about. Plays a great two way game...nice shot, nice passing...vicious checker. The Canadian commentators had a lot of good stuff to say about him, especially in respect to the Preds' prospect stable.
Ramo- Okay...Finnish fans...lay off the guy. He kept the game from getting ugly and out of hand early. He made a few highlight reel stops, and I don't think much blame could be put on him for the goals scored. From what I saw of the Canadian game, Rask's poor play(well, and a bad effort from the Finns) was the difference between that game and this one. He needs to be the starter from here on out. Sorry Leafs fans, at least you have Pogge.
All in all, it was a frustrating game to watch...but you see Kyle's fire on the bench, this isn't the same complacent team with that dope Sandelin from last year. Walt Kyle was bright red with anger by the end of the game, and I think he's going to rip them apart, which he needs to do. Expect a much different effort against the Swiss.
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