WJC Bronze Medal GDT: Finland vs. USA

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I wanted to see the US medal, if not for the three Oiler prospects on the team, than to stick it to the fans in Vancouver.

As a Canadian, I'm ashamed of how the Americans were treated.
 
Also, even though I don't like what Jack Johnson did earlier in the tourny, I actually really like him and he really handled the situation good.

I had a little laugh when he was waiving to the crowd. :biglaugh:

He has been the best defenseman so far IMO.
 
WE WON!

I was watching the game, and when finland scored I woke up the neighbours. But...if they were not sleeping, rhey should have been.

Finland was stronger today. They wanted it more. AMAZING WIN! Thank you finland!
 
Red said:
I was just trying to show you how big of an issue this is in BC right now. No matter how much any liberal in the US may agree with us on the policy, they really don't understand the level of frustration, anger, and helplessness people feel in BC over the dispute. I was just trying to say that the fans know Kessel and Johnson have nothing to do with it, but when a hyped up US team comes into a province where the economy was finally on the rise and now due to something illegal by another country is declining again, it's the only thing that can happen. I'm actually surprised at the restraint from the crowd, I was expecting some really awful stuff, which is why a little cheering/booing feels like nothing.

Vancouver does have a bit of a complex - the Canucks have sucked for decades, we've always had a hate on for highly rated teams. People honestly shouldn't ignore that fact and blame it all on politics. This was definitely a huge part as well.

Finland just clearly wanted it more. Key guys like Kessel looked like they were playing in a midget exhbition game. Too bad, I would have actually liked to see the US pull this out at the end, but team defense was absolutely brutal.



What I did think was hilarious was earlier in the tourney when the fans booed someone because the person was from Toronto :biglaugh:

I've been a Toronto fan for virtually as long as I've been a hockey fan, but Americans don't seem to realize how much the rest of Canada hates the Leafs :biglaugh:
 
SergeiK said:
The better team is always the team that makes more goals in the game.

Everything else is just useless smalltalk.
Well sometimes the winning team just has the better goalie but are outplayed in all the other aspects of the game. In my book that is not the better team, but a team that is lucky having a goalie like that ;)
 
Diverguy said:
Most Canadians were cheering for USA before the Jack Johnson cheap shot. Dont blame Vancouver for thier response.

What in the world are you talking about? They were booing the American team all the way from the beginning. And I don't mind the booing of Jack Johnson at all. And where is this history of the US team taking cheap shots besides the actions in this tournament. I would really like to know. Or are you just making things up to help your argument?
 
NightScout said:
I think the team that wins, the team that wants it more, is always the better team.

For those who don't get it: And by team I mean the team, not the roster.

I don't necessarily agree with that.

I think that there can be fluke games, where the superior team does lose. For instance, I don't think Belarus was the better team as compared to Sweden in 2002. I also don't think that the U.S.A. was better than the U.S.S.R. in 1980. I think that in both of the situations, the better team lost. I think that the team that lost would win those games 9 times out of 10, but just had flukey games in the 1 time out of 10 that actually counted.

But, this 2006 WJHC U.S.A. team had too many lacklustre and inconsistent efforts for their loss to be considered a fluke. When they fail to play to their abilities and potential for 5-6 games in a row, it isn't a fluke when they lose the Bronze Medal Game.

In other words, the 2006 WJHC U.S.A. team was not exactly a great 'team', and were probably not as good of a 'team' as Finland.
 
widgeta said:
No country is innocent in booing another... I can recall fans booing the Canadian anthem at NHL games, I think it was an Islanders Leafs game.. I can also recall the U.S. Women's team laying a Canadian flag on their locker room floor...
So we can all sit and say fans are disgraceful or lack class but in the end everyone are jerks.. no one is blameless, and before we crucify Vancouver fans we should look at the things our own countries have done...

that being said.. the Finns are looking better each year.. they're taking up where Sweden left off it seems

well said
 
NYR2 said:
THANK YOU! :joker:

Hey, just to comment on something, you've been one of the really cool people through all this bs. Just wanted to say that.

Thanks man

I try to remain objective as i really like players as opposed to teams in tournaments like this. I have a keeper league team that is full of these good young prospects
( we had a midseason draft where i scooped Prucha from your towns team) I visited the USA and was treated very good. I hope this is not an indication as to what to expect in the olympics in Van in 2010. On my team i have JJ , Ryan and Oshie from the USA. I hope next yr you guys comeback strong as you could have about 11 ? returning players. I also hope that as a country you guys dont think we all hate you. Politics is politics and shouldnt be brought into a great tournament like this. Sometimes you have to go through these dissapointments and learn from them. As a canadian i of course will be hoping we win tonight but the russians are a very good team. As a hockey nation the USA is getting stronger and stronger and that scares the hell out of lots of us up here. Full marks to finland as they have really done well for a nation thier size. I kinda have a soft spot for them as i got to witness the Gretzky to Kurri combo for many yrs. Thanks for your comments NYR2 and see ya in the finals. Sather vs Lowe. I can dream cant I.
 
widgeta said:
No country is innocent in booing another... I can recall fans booing the Canadian anthem at NHL games, I think it was an Islanders Leafs game.. I can also recall the U.S. Women's team laying a Canadian flag on their locker room floor...
So we can all sit and say fans are disgraceful or lack class but in the end everyone are jerks.. no one is blameless, and before we crucify Vancouver fans we should look at the things our own countries have done...

that being said.. the Finns are looking better each year.. they're taking up where Sweden left off it seems


Actually that was in the Leafs/Islanders series, your thinking of when American fans set a Canadian flag on fire in the parking lot. I find that a lot more offensive than a little booing.

The whole thing is stupid anyways.
 
TransportedUpstater said:
Not all the Americans played poorly; except for that garbage hit on Downie which was completely uncalled for, Jack Johnson played very well in my opinion. Erik Johnson was a pleasant suprise as well, and should go high in the draft.

The Johnsons definitely played well in this tournament. This is the first time I've gotten to see either of them play and I was impressed.
 
I think Jack Johnson's hit was dirty and I was incredibley pissed he was not suspended but man, I would take him on my nhl team any day! Its a good thing these tourneys are short so we can all put the stupid nationalism behind us!!
 
That Mueller elbow to Korpikoski's head was ugly, im glad nothing happend to korpedo.

Respect to Finnish defense for playing almost whole game with 4! guys, this defense really over achieved themselfs..
 
Good result. I was able to see only end of majority of the third period.

Finland was in very difficult situation as team had only four defensemen at the end of the game. Wirtanen played as a defenseman also.
 
jcorb58 said:
Thanks man

I try to remain objective as i really like players as opposed to teams in tournaments like this. I have a keeper league team that is full of these good young prospects
( we had a midseason draft where i scooped Prucha from your towns team) I visited the USA and was treated very good. I hope this is not an indication as to what to expect in the olympics in Van in 2010. On my team i have JJ , Ryan and Oshie from the USA. I hope next yr you guys comeback strong as you could have about 11 ? returning players. I also hope that as a country you guys dont think we all hate you. Politics is politics and shouldnt be brought into a great tournament like this. Sometimes you have to go through these dissapointments and learn from them. As a canadian i of course will be hoping we win tonight but the russians are a very good team. As a hockey nation the USA is getting stronger and stronger and that scares the hell out of lots of us up here. Full marks to finland as they have really done well for a nation thier size. I kinda have a soft spot for them as i got to witness the Gretzky to Kurri combo for many yrs. Thanks for your comments NYR2 and see ya in the finals. Sather vs Lowe. I can dream cant I.

I'm a girl, but you're very welcome. :)

Yeah right, the finals lol. I'll just be happy if my teams makes it INTO the playoffs lol.
 
Steveorama said:
Congrats to Finland, the hardest working team in the tourney.
Don't knock the US team, either.
Most of these guys are gonna be great NHLers for years to come and play in the Olympics. And just about any other hockey country in the world would love to finish top 4 in this elite tournament.

I just wish some people wouid just look at what finland has done since Nagano. Do not underestimate this team. Olympics will show you,
 
That's a shame, I was hoping for at least any kind of a medal...
Congrats to Finland
 
djtino224 said:
Let's talk about that.

Finland just wanted it more. If the US had wanted it, they'd be playing tonight for the gold.

I also think that Walt Kyle should have said something to the team about losing with some damn diginity and class after the game against Canada, when JJ threw the infamous elbow.
I don't blame Walt Kyle for what has happened the last two games. Keep in mind, in the final minutes against Russia, he kept J. Johnson on the bench, knowing that things could get ugly, and that Johnson has the potential to go off. (Anyone who gets compared to Chelios has to be a bit of a hothead).

The Russian game was a blowout, and there was a lot of tension because of what happened between the two teams last year, so it's not a surprise that the Russian/U.S. game got out of hand. There isn't a coach alive who could have prevented that. (It's not like he has control over future U.S. teams and can blacklist players from playing in the Olympics or the Worlds).

As for this game: it's eerily reminiscent of the 1998 Olympic gold medal game. Canada went in with a gold medal game or bust mentality. When they didn't reach it, they were deflated. The bronze meant nothing to them. I think the same thing happened to the U.S. They wanted gold, they didn't get gold, and so what good is a bronze.

For Finland, this was a very big deal. Few expected them to be at this point, especially after the tournament opener against Canada, when Canada dominated them. Winning bronze is a very good accomplishment for them, especially considering they were without probably their best forward, Nokalleinen.

It's a disappointing result for the U.S. In past years, even last year, 4th was good enough. This is not the first time the U.S. has entered the WJC with high hopes and not come home with a medal. (Witness 1994/95, 1995/96 and 1998/99). For some reason, with the exception of 2003-04, they have always had trouble with the WJC.

I think the worst thing that happened was playing the Norwegians right off the bat. A team like that can be an oasis for competition in the middle of the tournament. (Canada, the last three years, has played Finland twice and Slovakia. Good teams that bring challenges, but still very beatable and a boost for confidence). But that's the way the schedule is set up. The rose was off the U.S. bloom with the close win over Finland and the tie against Switzerland. They essentially tied Canada, but you could tell that at 5-on-5, the Canadians were clearly the better team, and the only reason the U.S. was in the game was because of Schneider.

Finally, the fans have every right to boo or heckle. I don't have a problem with the "Hey hey hey, goodbye," you hear it a lot in NHL arenas, or even "overrated." (Maybe it's a statement of fact?) If they want to boo J. Johnson, they can, even though I think highly of the kid and would love to have him on my team. I don't agree with "USA sucks" or booing the U.S. National Anthem (although I never heard that), and frankly, I think it's hockey heresay for Canadians to be cheering for Russians. (I guess that's the old school international hockey fan in me).
 
Congrats Finland. Nice win.

Nice tournment for the US. It's unfortunate that the team didn't live up to their high expectations. JJ is a keeper.
 
jcorb58 said:
Van booing Edm or Cal i cant except.........this was Van booing the USA as a nation and it is out of line.


Yeah what's up over there in Vancouverland; it's just an obvious show of animosity towards Americans in my opinion. On another note - I went to the Rangers - Canucks game in NY a few weeks ago and a Vancouver fan was sitting in his seat with the Canadian flag draped over his body and he was waving it around everywhere he went. I didn't know the Rangers were playing Canada that night...am I missing something here. :shakehead
 
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