Without Russia, the WJC should be reduced to 5 teams

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another competitive team that has a trickle down effect on the overall field
The trickle-down effect of losing 1 competitive team is having 1 non-competitive team. Buddy here just offered to cut the field by half, because reasons. If it was up to him, the country that just produced top-2 NHL picks wouldn't be here.

This thread is nothing more than this guy, who has been sulking for months, finding new ways to do it.
 
I'm here for discussion.
Of what? The thread is about changing the structure of the tournament due to Russia not being there and due to how uncompetitive the games have been. I stated that the timing sucks because the games today have been competitive, due to the solid performance of teams that the OP would have kicked out. Your post doesn't really deal with that, or with what I said in the post that you quoted.
 
Of what? The thread is about changing the structure of the tournament due to Russia not being there and due to how uncompetitive the games have been. I stated that the timing sucks because the games today have been competitive, due to the solid performance of teams that the OP would have kicked out. Your post doesn't really deal with that, or with what I said in the post that you quoted.
my post was about the competitiveness of the tournament, i.e. just because Latvia can hang around a bit before the inevitable loss doesn't suggest 'competitive' to me. Not sure what you're not understanding.
 
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well yes some nations are better than others historically, but there haven't been that many world cups, Brazil has won it 5 times, Germany and Italy 4 times, Argentina, France and Uruguay 2 times and Spain and England 1 time. There's only been 21 World Cups, Germany is the only country to make more Semifinals than they've missed (made it 12 times, missed it 9 times).

Open up the discussion to include the Euros and the Copa America which feature all those winning nations collectively and all of whom really want to win that tournament too and the pool expands a lot as well. It's not uncommon for players contending for the world's best to come from countries that have no chance in an international competition.

Canada has won the World Juniors 18 times and missed the Top 4 only a small handful of times.
The point was that no competition should be only open for just the teams that have been realistically able to win it. It is stupid and elitistic thinking to have only a handful of teams in any competition. The competition should be large enough and there should be a point also in inspiring those a bit weaker countries to get better, that haven’t been so far able to compete realistically in winning the competition. Only by competing with the best they can get a realistic view of where they are skillswise and what things might help them get more competitive.

That should also mean more competition and higher level in to the professional league like the NHL by getting gradually more talented players from many different countries. It has happened already more and more from Finland, Slovakia, Switzerland and Germany, and it will get gradually better for countries like Latvia, Austria and etc. as well, when they get the chances to compete enough against the toughest countries. Maybe they will not win ever anything with their national teams, or maybe they even will, but them being still better than before makes hockey also better as a sport. Only narrowminded hockey elitists don’t really get it.
 
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my post was about the competitiveness of the tournament, i.e. just because Latvia can hang around a bit before the inevitable loss doesn't suggest 'competitive' to me. Not sure what you're not understanding.
I'd say that Latvia's performance has in fact established a reasonable level of competitiveness. Latvia won a game and was close in a quarterfinal game. The timing of this thread is bad and can't really be hand waved away.
 
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The point was that no competition should be only open for just the teams that have been realistically able to win it. It is stupid and elitistic thinking to have only a handful of teams in any competition. The competition should be large enough and there should be a point also in inspiring those a bit weaker countries to get better, that haven’t been so far able to compete realistically in winning the competition. Only by competing with the best they can get a realistic view of where they are skillswise and what things might help them get more competitive.

That should also mean more competition and higher level in to the professional league like the NHL by getting gradually more talented players from many different countries. It has happened already more and more from Finland, Slovakia, Switzerland and Germany, and it will get gradually better for countries like Latvia, Austria and etc. as well, when they get the chances to compete enough against the toughest countries. Maybe they will not win ever anything with their national teams, or maybe they even will, but them being still better than before makes hockey also better as a sport. Only narrowminded hockey elitists don’t really get it.
elitist is not the right word, every tournament is going to have some sort of qualification/exclusive criteria. OP is just suggesting narrowing it. The world cup has 32 teams and wants to expand which most fans hate. The world juniors has 10 teams, they could expand if they wanted to to be less "elitist" as you call it, but they haven't. So are they elitist as is?
 
I'd say that Latvia's performance has in fact established a reasonable level of competitiveness. Latvia won a game and was close in a quarterfinal game. The timing of this thread is bad and can't really be hand waved away.
reasonable minds can disagree, some would say the same four (or five) teams making the semifinals every year is not "competitive" just because Latvia is capable of only losing by a goal after getting outshot 27-13 sometimes
 
I was never too invested in watching Russia play Austria or Latvia
And I was never particularly invested in watching Russia at all, unless they were playing against Finland. And I am always interested to watch Finland play any team anyway. Doesn’t matter if its’s Russia, Sweden or Austria. There are different aspects to be interested about the teams. I would in fact be as interested in watching Russia play against Sweden as I would be in watching Switzerland play against Germany.
 
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elitist is not the right word, every tournament is going to have some sort of qualification/exclusive criteria. OP is just suggesting narrowing it. The world cup has 32 teams and wants to expand which most fans hate. The world juniors has 10 teams, they could expand if they wanted to to be less "elitist" as you call it, but they haven't. So are they elitist as is?
That doesn’t apply like that, as hockey is played in so much fewer countries than soccer. To be respectable and non elitistic, is to have at least about the amount of teams that there are now. At least definitely not any fewer. I would rather have more of teams than less of them if I had to choose either way. Staying at the amount of teams that there is now is still a good option as well.
 
Latvia beats Czechs, Czechs are winning by 2 against USA currently... Tournament format so bad smh :eek3:

And according to this genius proposition, Czechs would be playing in the WJC every other year [most likely].
 
There’s really no point in watching all these blow outs, the games are absolutely boring and predictable.

It should be Canada, USA, Sweden and Finland play each other twice and then the two top teams play a best of 3 series for gold. Same goes for bronze - 3rd and 4th team battle for it.

The last 5th spot should go to the best team in D1B. The worst team in the elite division will be relegated.

This should bring much more interest to fans watching it.
RIP your thread....
 
There’s really no point in watching all these blow outs, the games are absolutely boring and predictable.

It should be Canada, USA, Sweden and Finland play each other twice and then the two top teams play a best of 3 series for gold. Same goes for bronze - 3rd and 4th team battle for it.

The last 5th spot should go to the best team in D1B. The worst team in the elite division will be relegated.

This should bring much more interest to fans watching it.

Now would you relegate USA or would they have their spot granted and Czechs would be replaced by winner of D1B?
 
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