With the 14th overall selection in the 2023 NHL Entry Draft, the Pittsburgh Penguins select…

[Pens1566]

My sources say Bedard has a fascination with blumpkins.

Who doesn't?

 

[MrBurghundy]

I keep coming back to this thread to hopefully get some good info on prospects that may be available at 14, and some good scouting reports on them. Then I can dig into a player that I can get excited for and eventually let down by.

Instead all I find is the same boring shit I find in every other thread on this board. I wish there was a filter for "Ignore commonly themed posts"

Maybe we can get a ChatGPT integration that can do that for us some day.

 

[The Old Master]

Again, no…they’re tying the Pens to all these safe picks…go out and get a dynamic player or trade the damn pick…waste to pick this guy

“14. Pittsburgh: Nate Danielson, C, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL): Won’t be the sexiest pick in the first half of the draft, but may be the most effective at playing in all three zones. Where a more dynamic player might be a better fit for the Penguins, the safety of this pick will set the tone for whoever the new GM is.

Draft Day Strategy: Pittsburgh needs to add to the depth of their organization. They might have to get creative, but if Danielson is staring at them with this pick they have to call his name. There are several prospects who bring different qualities in this range. Danielson is a young captain from the Brandon Wheat Kings who scored 33 goals and 45 assists in the regular season. He played in all situations and provides a sneaky physical edge. He would be a great add for Pittsburgh.”

NHL Top 16 Mock Draft: What happens after the Blackhawks pick Connor Bedard?

With the draft lottery behind us we know in which order the top 16 teams will be picking...for now. So draft gurus Sam Cosentino and Jason Bukala came together to build a top 16 mock draft.

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nate wouldn't be a bad pick, but i still think yager would be better. there are a lot of guy's much smarter than me that disagree so theres that.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I keep coming back to this thread to hopefully get some good info on prospects that may be available at 14, and some good scouting reports on them. Then I can dig into a player that I can get excited for and eventually let down by.

Instead all I find is the same boring shit I find in every other thread on this board. I wish there was a filter for "Ignore commonly themed posts"

Maybe we can get a ChatGPT integration that can do that for us some day.

Take heart in the fact that someone always drops through the cracks and makes a bunch of teams/GMs/scouts look stupid several years after the draft.

Ignore the fact that this team is almost assuredly gonna be one of the foolish teams.

 

[Power Surge]

Take heart in the fact that someone always drops through the cracks and makes a bunch of teams/GMs/scouts look stupid several years after the draft.

Ignore the fact that this team is almost assuredly gonna be one of the foolish teams.

Plus they're relying on Hextalls scouts.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Plus they're relying on Hextalls scouts.

Hextall's scouts, JR's scouts, whatever. They've all sucked for like half a decade at this point.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hextall's scouts, JR's scouts, whatever. They've all sucked for like half a decade at this point.

Is this largely still the same group that had Zach Lauzon pegged as a first round talent?

(I know that's not entirely fair to poor dude but c'mon)

 

[Power Surge]

I suppose the best answer to the question of what we are going to do at 14 is to consult the Oracle that is the Tip of the Iceburgh Podcast.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It's a damn good thing this team dumb-lucked their way into some 3rd rounders working out with Jake, Rust and Murray because if they didn't miraculously hit on those, yikes.

 

[Ryder71]

This is so played out. Age means nothing performance does.

They are still playing at elite levels.

Look at Pavelski, Ovechkin, Parise, Krejci, Bergeron just to name a few, all played at a high level. If you can still play age doesn't mean that much and we have 2 of the best. There's a pretty big difference there.

I shouldn't be real surprised though. You said it yourself, this team is 5 years away from being a playoff team.

Performance does mean a lot. And they have not LED this team to a postseason victory since 2018. Why is that lost on you? Even when they were younger we still didn't do anything in the playoffs since 2018. I want to repeat this so you understand and everyone else here understands, Sidney Crosby has not won a playoff series since before he was 30 years old. So why all of a sudden are we going to start winning playoff series with a much older version of our core and the same guy leading the coaching staff?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It's a damn good thing this team dumb-lucked their way into some 3rd rounders working out with Jake, Rust and Murray because if they didn't miraculously hit on those, yikes.

I'm not saying they weren't good picks. They were. But I think there is something to be said when it comes to that batch of players in regards to sheer opportunity and a modicum of actual effort and energy from the coaching staff as opposed to "must be 30+ to ride" combined with "mehhhhhhh can't be bothered... go get me a Josh Archibald or something."

What I'm saying is that while I don't think someone like Puus can be "the next Jake" necessarily -- I also don't think it's that crazy to say with some opportunity and willingness to do their job that he couldn't be like the next Rust-level kind of guy. Hell Nylander is probably nothing and he at least kept up as well as Rust did... which... low bar, I know.

People act like these 40-50ish point wings are unicorns. They aren't.

 

[Ryder71]

We haven't drafted this high in quite some time, this is perceived to be a very good draft. At least among the top 20 prospects. No way in hell do you trade this pick unless someone gives you a silly silly offer, which I don't anticipate. You keep the pick and you start building all over again.

 

[vikingGoalie]

It's a damn good thing this team dumb-lucked their way into some 3rd rounders working out with Jake, Rust and Murray because if they didn't miraculously hit on those, yikes.

thing is at least under shero, and i *think* under JR no idea under Hextall. the way it generally worked was the GM picked the 1st and the later rounds was more on the scouting department.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm not saying they weren't good picks. They were. But I think there is something to be said when it comes to that batch of players in regards to sheer opportunity and a modicum of actual effort and energy from the coaching staff as opposed to "must be 30+ to ride" combined with "mehhhhhhh can't be bothered... go get me a Josh Archibald or something."

What I'm saying is that while I don't think someone like Puus can be "the next Jake" necessarily -- I also don't think it's that crazy to say with some opportunity and willingness to do their job that he couldn't be like the next Rust-level kind of guy. Hell Nylander is probably nothing and he at least kept up as well as Rust did... which... low bar, I know.

People act like these 40-50ish point wings are unicorns. They aren't.

It's wild to me that under the Shero/Bylsma regime, those three never, ever would've seen the light of day. It was like the exact right moment in time that they hit their stride because the way JR pivoted to stocking the roster full of schlubs as his time wound down, and Hextall's continuation of abysmal roster building--not forgetting the complete 180 Sully's pulled since the back to backs--and they never would've seen the light of day now either.

Threaded the needle.

And yeah, I don't think anything of any young player in the system but I'm all for giving them a shot. This team's shown it's entirely comfortable with dogshit smattered throughout the lineup, so let it be dirt cheap dogshit as opposed to spending a ridiculous amount on the bottom-6. Give Puustinen a long look, give Nylander a role on the 4th line, make DOC and Poehling mainstays. It's a shame they still have another year of Carter, who is sure to be even worse as time drags on, and another *two* years of Granlund. Not accounting for the extremely likely scenario Zucker's retained.

 

[K Fleur]

Giving up on Sprong was dumb.

Trading him for a whatever defenseman was fine, signing him for an eternity was dumb.

 

[vikingGoalie]

We haven't drafted this high in quite some time, this is perceived to be a very good draft. At least among the top 20 prospects. No way in hell do you trade this pick unless someone gives you a silly silly offer,

so i agree that i wouldn't trade the pick for say, granlund kinda return woof...
but if it's part of a package to get Helle I say hell yes to that.
we are not in blow it up mode. we are in we have maybe 2 more playoff runs left in our core, let's try and do something with that. If we are clutching our picks because in 2-3 years we will have a tweener forward or 4/5 defensemen that is the definition of stupidity.
The chance of making an impactful change to our roster for the next 2 seasons with 14th OA is somewhere between slim and none. Guentzel was a 3rd rounder but quite arguably a 1st round talent, he absolutely moved the needle for us in 2016, that was after being drafted in 2013. Sure there are stories how someone got a steal out of the top 10 and they helped move the needle almost right away. But none of them, even someone like Jack Huges who was 1OA really moved the needle the first year it took even that guy more then a season to really start doing stuff for his team. Not saying he was bad, not saying he didn't help. Saying we need to make IMPACTFUL changes to this roster for NEXT season. not 3 years from now.

 

[Ryder71]

so i agree that i wouldn't trade the pick for say, granlund kinda return woof...
but if it's part of a package to get Helle I say hell yes to that.
we are not in blow it up mode. we are in we have maybe 2 more playoff runs left in our core, let's try and do something with that. If we are clutching our picks because in 2-3 years we will have a tweener forward or 4/5 defensemen that is the definition of stupidity.
The chance of making an impactful change to our roster for the next 2 seasons with 14th OA is somewhere between slim and none. Guentzel was a 3rd rounder but quite arguably a 1st round talent, he absolutely moved the needle for us in 2016, that was after being drafted in 2013. Sure there are stories how someone got a steal out of the top 10 and they helped move the needle almost right away. But none of them, even someone like Jack Huges who was 1OA really moved the needle the first year it took even that guy more then a season to really start doing stuff for his team. Not saying he was bad, not saying he didn't help. Saying we need to make IMPACTFUL changes to this roster for NEXT season. not 3 years from now.

But my dear dear friend, there are no more runs coming. There hasn't been a good run since 2018. What more evidence do you need to understand that the party is over? It's a stale, unremarkable team. They're not going anywhere. You could add Connor McDavid to this team and they'd be hard-pressed to do anything. And we all know that Connor McDavid wouldn't dare set foot in this pathetic city.

Send Sidney Crosby to colorado, let him have a chance at something before he retires. He has a buddy or two out there, or so I've heard.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

so i agree that i wouldn't trade the pick for say, granlund kinda return woof...
but if it's part of a package to get Helle I say hell yes to that.
we are not in blow it up mode. we are in we have maybe 2 more playoff runs left in our core, let's try and do something with that. If we are clutching our picks because in 2-3 years we will have a tweener forward or 4/5 defensemen that is the definition of stupidity.
The chance of making an impactful change to our roster for the next 2 seasons with 14th OA is somewhere between slim and none. Guentzel was a 3rd rounder but quite arguably a 1st round talent, he absolutely moved the needle for us in 2016, that was after being drafted in 2013. Sure there are stories how someone got a steal out of the top 10 and they helped move the needle almost right away. But none of them, even someone like Jack Huges who was 1OA really moved the needle the first year it took even that guy more then a season to really start doing stuff for his team. Not saying he was bad, not saying he didn't help. Saying we need to make IMPACTFUL changes to this roster for NEXT season. not 3 years from now.

I just don't think the 14th overall has that much value tbh. It's in that shitty no man's land between a really good pick, in like the top-10 or top-5, and then not much value at all with 20+. I think it holds more value to this team than it does to anybody else via trade. I highly doubt it works as a centerpiece to get Nashville or Winnipeg listening for Saros or Hellebuyck, but if it does, go for it. I think you're more likely to be in the running for more of the same middle-6 bullshit, guys producing at like a 40-50pt clip--Garland for instance. If that's the aim, just throw Zucker's money at Bertuzzi and see if you can lure him in FA, though I doubt it. As for goalies, I'd try to snag Vejmelka to replace Jarry, and I don't think that'd cost the Pens their 1st rounder.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

My sources say Bedard has a fascination with blumpkins.

My sources say he's a sheep-ophile.

 

[vikingGoalie]

But my dear dear friend, there are no more runs coming. There hasn't been a good run since 2018. What more evidence do you need to understand that the party is over? It's a stale, unremarkable team. They're not going anywhere. You could add Connor McDavid to this team and they'd be hard-pressed to do anything. And we all know that Connor McDavid wouldn't dare set foot in this pathetic city.

Send Sidney Crosby to colorado, let him have a chance at something before he retires. He has a buddy or two out there, or so I've heard.

say it isn't so

so previous playoffs we dominated the rangers, same against the islanders the season before. Now the damage done by Hextall this last season may spell the end. but Crosby just put up a 90+ point season, Malkin still is a top tier center. I will hold on to my belief that if we have competent goal tending and we replace some of the supporting cast with faster hungrier folks. (kinda like all those ex-penguins that seem to be doing well now) that we could at least make some noise

 

[Andy99]

I’d trade the pick before taking Davidson…awful selection of a too high floor, low ceiling…go big or go home

2023 NHL Draft: Mock drafts linking a name to the Pens over and over again..

It’s mock draft szn, and one prospect’s name is being commonly linked to the Pens at the 14th overall pick

www.pensburgh.com

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I’d trade the pick before taking Davidson…awful selection of a too high floor, low ceiling…go big or go home

2023 NHL Draft: Mock drafts linking a name to the Pens over and over again..

It’s mock draft szn, and one prospect’s name is being commonly linked to the Pens at the 14th overall pick

www.pensburgh.com

Yeah I'm sure everyone who wants them to "reload" with this pick is gonna be over the moon when they inevitably pick some safe, middle-of-the-road doof that reminds the team of their boy Rust, isn't ready for another four years and makes a negligible impact when he is because there is no more Crosby or Malkin to carry his mediocre ass. Sign me up.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

For those who are amped to trade the super valuable 14th overall, get ready because here's your Zucker replacement!

Yeah I'm sure everyone who wants them to "reload" with this pick is gonna be over the moon when they inevitably pick some safe, middle-of-the-road doof that reminds the team of their boy Rust, isn't ready for another four years and makes a negligible impact when he is because there is no more Crosby or Malkin to carry his mediocre ass. Sign me up.

Sucks that the coach who should've been fired years ago gets to suggest GM candidates and have a say in draft picks/signings. Love the way this team leans into dysfunction!

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Ugh. I know we have some Garland fans but I really don't get it. He seriously reminds me exactly of everything this team already has and I hate in a wing. Decent at everything... truly great at nothing.

 

[Ryder71]

I can't wait until we step to the podium and select one of the future pieces at 14 overall. Can't wait, as the moment will soon be upon us. We will not trade the pick, we will not hold on to the relics of the past, we will move forward and transition to a new and exciting brand of Pittsburgh Penguins hockey. To be clear that'll take a few years but I'm prepared to wait for 2028!