Confirmed with Link: Winnipeg signs G Laurent Brossoit (1 year, 650k)

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I think he'll do better if called up to the NHL with Winnipeg's defensive core in front of him. Edmonton's defense was a tire fire last season. At worst he'd be an excellent starting goalie for the Moose. I hope he does well!
 
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Joe Hallenback

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You can know less than someone overall and still be right about a situation...

Not saying they are, but saying this appeal to authority crap is simply just crap.


I think it is more like appealing to the guys who got us to the conference finals last year
 
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DudeWhereIsMakar

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Likely going to the Manitoba Moose, but decent pick-up otherwise. I'm thinking as it stands right now Comrie is our back-up.
 

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Not my first choice but I think he can be decent with a good defense in front of him for 20 games.
 

folix

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Cap issues are real, its a message though, that back up spot is up for grabs. Let people compete for it. We cant afford to pay high money for a back up.

Chevy just said even if they were able to sign Stats, much more "surgery" would need to be done on their roster even if they signed him to the amount of money they wanted.

That tells me we are prob better off with out stats. We could have easily wiped out or vaunted depth to sign him by giving people away.
 

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I think it is more like appealing to the guys who got us to the conference finals last year

How is that any better?

1) From a general sense, simply arguing the support in your argument, many GMs have gotten there. They've all done things that were wrong even without hindsight.

2) Also in general, being the tallest pony in the stable doesn't make you as tall as a horse. If the market it is inefficient, being the least inefficient doesn't make you optimized.

3) In the specific sense, that's still a crappy appeal to authority. The fact that they got to the conference finals last year does not mean every specific decision is correct based on that fact and that fact alone. You look at the specific evidence for and against the decision that was made, and you make an opinion on that decision based off that. You don't be a cult follower and simply say "the team did well so therefor I'm going to blindly say they must be right."

Again, I'm not arguing for or against Little's signing. I'm saying that --while anyone has the freedom to "give benefit of the doubt" in forming their own opinion-- you can't use that appeal as a catch all argument to support your case... or at least you cannot use it without someone else pointing out how bad that argument is.
 

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I think he'll do better if called up to the NHL with Winnipeg's defensive core in front of him. Edmonton's defense was a tire fire last season. At worst he'd be an excellent starting goalie for the Moose. I hope he does well!
I agree entirely. For a comparison, it might pay to have a look at Devan Dubnyk's stats for the Oilers and the Wild. Sometimes a team can tank a goalie (even while they're going for first overall).
 

Joe Hallenback

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How is that any better?

1) From a general sense, simply arguing the support in your argument, many GMs have gotten there. They've all done things that were wrong even without hindsight.

2) Also in general, being the tallest pony in the stable doesn't make you as tall as a horse. If the market it is inefficient, being the least inefficient doesn't make you optimized.

3) In the specific sense, that's still a crappy appeal to authority. The fact that they got to the conference finals last year does not mean every specific decision is correct based on that fact and that fact alone. You look at the specific evidence for and against the decision that was made, and you make an opinion on that decision based off that. You don't be a cult follower and simply say "the team did well so therefor I'm going to blindly say they must be right."

Again, I'm not arguing for or against Little's signing. I'm saying that --while anyone has the freedom to "give benefit of the doubt" in forming their own opinion-- you can't use that appeal as a catch all argument to support your case... or at least you cannot use it without someone else pointing out how bad that argument is.


I think people that do find success you give them greater leeway when they make decisions. I mean you don't operate in a bubble either but at some point it does mean they have an general idea of what a good and bad decision are.
 

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I think people that do find success you give them greater leeway when they make decisions. I mean you don't operate in a bubble either but at some point it does mean they have an general idea of what a good and bad decision are.

Giving leeway is not blindly following.
Being generally good is not being perfect.

That's my whole argument.

So, if someone says "I think generally good person who we give leeway made a mistake here", you cannot argue "ya well they are generally good and we should give them leeway so we'll ignore any evidence that counters their decision."

I'm fine with people making their own minds or just trusting the process. That's up to them.
It does bother me though when they use such an appeal as actual evidence to support their own case or refute another's.

I'm a good hockey stats person, IMO, and have found a lot of success. I hope no one ever argues a case simply with "Garret thinks so, so it should be right."
 

Hank Chinaski

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I agree entirely. For a comparison, it might pay to have a look at Devan Dubnyk's stats for the Oilers and the Wild. Sometimes a team can tank a goalie (even while they're going for first overall).

Dubnyk posted respectable numbers in Edmonton, save for one horrendous half season. He obviously improved significantly and benefited from getting out of Edmonton, there's no question.

Point is, I don't see Brossoit as some gem that we've dug up from the Oilers goalie graveyard.
 

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Don't mind the pick up as long as Bucky stays healthy, having to play both him or Comrie as a starter could be disastrous, I like Berdin cause he has pizzazzzz, not sure if he can stop a puck in the NHL thought.
 

Joe Hallenback

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Giving leeway is not blindly following.
Being generally good is not being perfect.

That's my whole argument.

So, if someone says "I think generally good person who we give leeway made a mistake here", you cannot argue "ya well they are generally good and we should give them leeway so we'll ignore any evidence that counters their decision."

I'm fine with people making their own minds or just trusting the process. That's up to them.
It does bother me though when they use such an appeal as actual evidence to support their own case or refute another's.

I'm a good hockey stats person, IMO, and have found a lot of success. I hope no one ever argues a case simply with "Garret thinks so, so it should be right."

Then we agree then! :D
 

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I'm a good hockey stats person, IMO, and have found a lot of success. I hope no one ever argues a case simply with "Garret thinks so, so it should be right."

Honestly, I have much more faith in something if it comes out of the mouth of somebody I trust. Call it a confirmation bias if you will, but except to the messenger, not the particular. You tend to think a lot of things, but your thoughts are weighed heavily by the stats and data models you surround yourself with. That gives it a lot more weight than, say, some stupid jackass on Twitter who thinks he knows everything just because it appeals to his senses.

Dubnyk posted respectable numbers in Edmonton, save for one horrendous half season. He obviously improved significantly and benefited from getting out of Edmonton, there's no question.


Point is, I don't see Brossoit as some gem that we've dug up from the Oilers goalie graveyard.
Agreed. Well it would be nice to think that Laurent brossoit could be another diamond in the rough from the Edmonton goalie graveyard, probability wise he's no better off than Eric Comrie. Apparently a large part of the problem was between his ears, and he was relatively easy to shake off his game. I'm hoping you can come in for at least 20 games and post .500 in them. Just give us a break even winning percentage.
 

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