Winnipeg Jets, village burning

One day the Jets will use 30 + 30 million cap space to pay 2 players and get the respect they deserve!

And then the Villages will pay and real pay good!













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Chevy man, might be the most underrated GM in the league.
I like him a lot. I think he’s consistent with his vision by building teams with a specific identity, and he’s had success with it. The Jets aren’t major players in free agency so they’ve done a great job drafting a few stars, and making shrewd acquisitions to build depth around them. Really good organizational work to make the most of their resources.
 
Only top 3, sadge.





Helle has been vezina calibre, and the defense has been elite. Holy f*** if they could figure out how to run a powerplay :laugh:

That's one unreliable stat when the Canuck's 7th D and 2 pairings from Edmonton make the list.
 
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Honestly you can't even discuss anything on the mainboards without being swarmed by multiple fans of the team being discussed. I get it this is exciting how well the Jets are playing, but this is also the mainboards where we don't just all hold hands and blindly say how great the Jets are. If people wanted that they should stick to HF Jets boards. There's healthy reason to have skepticism about the Jets offence. Right now they're scoring, but they don't create much offence, and long term unsustainable scoring usually regresses to the mean to some degree.

Now I definitely think the Jets are a good team regardless because of their goaltending and defensive play, but I'm not ready to crown them as an elite team until I see this offence do it over an entire season. They're getting it done right now, but the numbers don't suggest it likely to continue at this rate.
I'm pretty illiterate when it comes to advanced stats.. Not asking for a lesson or anything, but are they biased towards different approaches? For example, the Jets greatest strengths when it comes to offence is on the counter attack and through the cycle. Just wondering if there's more of a bias towards shot volume? our PP has also been abysmal, ranking either 32nd or 31st. which probably skews our overall expected GF/offensive numbers.

I understand the skepticism from a non-Jets fan considering the complete nose dive after the new year last year, rumors of a toxic room, the narrative from fans and media that the Jets would blow it up and head towards a rebuild, Wheeler buy out, Dubios forcing a trade, rumors of Helly not wanting to re-sign and that Scheifele was horrible defensively and toxic and would be shipped out too, leading to other vets and pieces to be sold off to the highest bidders, etc. I would argue that the skepticism most likely played a big part in attendance numbers as well.

The additions of of Vilardi, Iafollo, Kupari, Namestnikov, Neiderreiter and Brossoit have significantly improved our depth which i think fans of other teams seemingly dismiss. The Jets no longer are forced to solely rely the top 6 and Helly. People have said that the Jets lack elite talent which I completely disagree with. Hellebuyck is as an elite a goalie you can get. Morrissey has continued to prove that he's in the upper echelon of NHL defensemen and possible norris candidate, Kyle Connor is 7th in goals scored since 17-18 and Scheifele is 22nd in scoring during the past 5 years being a PPG or better 5 of the last 6 years, scoring 42 in his "off year" and back on pace for another ppg+ season this year.. Our top fwds are not the best of the best, but they're no slouches either which many have painted them as.
 
Now I definitely think the Jets are a good team regardless because of their goaltending and defensive play, but I'm not ready to crown them as an elite team until I see this offence do it over an entire season. They're getting it done right now, but the numbers don't suggest it likely to continue at this rate.
Their offence isn't stellar and might regress, but they are middle of the pack in scoring despite a horrendous power play. If they could ever get their power play figured out, that would likely offset any regression in scoring.
 
Honestly you can't even discuss anything on the mainboards without being swarmed by multiple fans of the team being discussed. I get it this is exciting how well the Jets are playing, but this is also the mainboards where we don't just all hold hands and blindly say how great the Jets are. If people wanted that they should stick to HF Jets boards. There's healthy reason to have skepticism about the Jets offence. Right now they're scoring, but they don't create much offence, and long term unsustainable scoring usually regresses to the mean to some degree.

Now I definitely think the Jets are a good team regardless because of their goaltending and defensive play, but I'm not ready to crown them as an elite team until I see this offence do it over an entire season. They're getting it done right now, but the numbers don't suggest it likely to continue at this rate.
Agreed, not meaning to swarm you but i will say this about the Jets offense, we have only had Connor and Vilardi in the lineup playing at the same time for 4 games this season. My hope is that when Connor comes back we have them both playing for a while.
 
Right because Jets fans would have more of an idea how to win with all that they've won. Get off your high horse. The Oilers F3-6 are better than the Jets F3-6. Their bottom 6 depth definitely isn't on the same level, but thats part of what you give up to have 2 players like McDavid and Draisaitl. The other side of that is some poor management decisions.
When it comes to forward depth in the NHL, it's like having a 12" penis...

It's not the first 6 where you notice the difference... it's the last 6
 
The Jets are not a "shot volume" team. We don't throw absolutely everything at the net as soon as we can. We are a possession team who cycles a lot down low and we don't want to give up quick transition chances to our opponents

I think if I was playing defense right now for the Oilers I would be on those sheets. Its got to be easy when McD is putting up 5 points
 
Hey Jets fans, do you feel that Minny is your biggest rival now?
Minny right now? No, not even close, Minny isn't even in the conversation as a rival at this stage:

Just a quick look (haven't seen actual breakdowns of % points won but this should be close) at Sportsnet standings looks about:

Jets #1 in the Central based off points %, Minny 7th

Jets #1 in the West based off points %, Minny 12th

Jets are 3rd in the NHL based on points%, Minny is about 26th

Minny? They are light years away from being a rival at this stage. Jets rivals these days are Nucks, Avs and Knights, Dallas........not Minny. Minny rival is maybe winning 1OA pick at the draft TBH, not slagging on them just stating facts.
 
Minny right now? No, not even close, Minny isn't even in the conversation as a rival at this stage:

Just a quick look (haven't seen actual breakdowns of % points won but this should be close) at Sportsnet standings looks about:

Jets #1 in the Central based off points %, Minny 7th

Jets #1 in the West based off points %, Minny 12th

Jets are 3rd in the NHL based on points%, Minny is about 26th

Minny? They are light years away from being a rival at this stage. Jets rivals these days are Nucks, Avs and Knights, Dallas........not Minny. Minny rival is maybe winning 1OA pick at the draft TBH, not slagging on them just stating facts.
Ah I was basing it on how much the teams hate each other lol
 
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Ah I was basing it on how much the teams hate each other lol

Hate? Too strong of wording for me, I look at it more as two teams who both play a physical brand of hockey, team toughest and won't back down from anyone........including each other. Many Wild & Jets fans likely won't like it, but I see the two teams as very similar to each other in many ways.
 
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Hey Jets fans, do you feel that Minny is your biggest rival now?


lol I was just gonna say
Elite duo of Kulak and Desharnais.

Advanced stats can eat a dick.
Looking at those pairing stats blindly just doesn't provide context. When you look at them while comparing quality of competition/line mate and other metrics it makes a lot more sense. The Oilers generally are a good analytical team this year throughout their lineup, and that pairing gets butter soft minutes so of course they have good xGA.
 
I'm pretty illiterate when it comes to advanced stats.. Not asking for a lesson or anything, but are they biased towards different approaches? For example, the Jets greatest strengths when it comes to offence is on the counter attack and through the cycle. Just wondering if there's more of a bias towards shot volume? our PP has also been abysmal, ranking either 32nd or 31st. which probably skews our overall expected GF/offensive numbers.

I understand the skepticism from a non-Jets fan considering the complete nose dive after the new year last year, rumors of a toxic room, the narrative from fans and media that the Jets would blow it up and head towards a rebuild, Wheeler buy out, Dubios forcing a trade, rumors of Helly not wanting to re-sign and that Scheifele was horrible defensively and toxic and would be shipped out too, leading to other vets and pieces to be sold off to the highest bidders, etc. I would argue that the skepticism most likely played a big part in attendance numbers as well.

The additions of of Vilardi, Iafollo, Kupari, Namestnikov, Neiderreiter and Brossoit have significantly improved our depth which i think fans of other teams seemingly dismiss. The Jets no longer are forced to solely rely the top 6 and Helly. People have said that the Jets lack elite talent which I completely disagree with. Hellebuyck is as an elite a goalie you can get. Morrissey has continued to prove that he's in the upper echelon of NHL defensemen and possible norris candidate, Kyle Connor is 7th in goals scored since 17-18 and Scheifele is 22nd in scoring during the past 5 years being a PPG or better 5 of the last 6 years, scoring 42 in his "off year" and back on pace for another ppg+ season this year.. Our top fwds are not the best of the best, but they're no slouches either which many have painted them as.
There's a lot that goes into expected goal models. Here's some of a breakdown if you care to learn more Expected Goals (xG) Models Explained

As for the comments about the Jets lacking elite talent, I make those comments in the context of the Jets performing like a top 1/3 of the league scoring team this season in terms of goal scoring. The jets don't have top 1/3 star players, they have low end star players in Schiefele and Connor in terms of overall offence. Connor is a great goalscorer, but he's not a top level elite star he's a lower end star player and the same is true of Schiefele. I'm intrigued to see if a fully healthy roster with Connor and Vilardi will allow them to keep up this scoring despite analytics saying they are scoring way more than they should be, and its why I want to see them over a full season before having a true opinion on them as a top tier team despite them having one of the best records in the league.

Healthy skepticism is reasonable imo given the gap in expectations for this team as well as the gap in analytics and their actual on ice results. I agree they made some nice improvements in team depth in the back half of last season and into this year. I personally have always thought that PLD was extremely overrated and I think they improved their team a lot by trading him away.
 
Their offence isn't stellar and might regress, but they are middle of the pack in scoring despite a horrendous power play. If they could ever get their power play figured out, that would likely offset any regression in scoring.
It might, but their power play hasn't been good the previous 2 seasons either so that might be wishful thinking. They don't exactly have these elite power play players that would suggest their PP is going to turn around in a big way.
 
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It might, but their power play hasn't been good the previous 2 seasons either so that might be wishful thinking. They don't exactly have these elite power play players that would suggest their PP is going to turn around in a big way.
Not sure they have to turn it around in a huge manner. They are below teams like Seattle, Anaheim, Montreal, San Jose.
 
Not sure they have to turn it around in a huge manner. They are below teams like Seattle, Anaheim, Montreal, San Jose.
To be fair their analytics also support that their power play isn't good. They're near the bottom of the league in that category.

Could there be fixes? Maybe, but it doesn't seem to be an issue of just bad luck.
 
Minny right now? No, not even close, Minny isn't even in the conversation as a rival at this stage:

Just a quick look (haven't seen actual breakdowns of % points won but this should be close) at Sportsnet standings looks about:

Jets #1 in the Central based off points %, Minny 7th

Jets #1 in the West based off points %, Minny 12th

Jets are 3rd in the NHL based on points%, Minny is about 26th

Minny? They are light years away from being a rival at this stage. Jets rivals these days are Nucks, Avs and Knights, Dallas........not Minny. Minny rival is maybe winning 1OA pick at the draft TBH, not slagging on them just stating facts.
3 seasons prior to this:

Wild #2 in the West based off points %, Winny is 10th

Wild #6 in the NHL based off points %, Winny is 19th.

3 seasons prior to those seasons:

Wild #9 in the West based off points %, Winny is 1st.

Wild #18 in the NHL based off points %, Winny is 5th.

3 seasons prior to those season:

Wild #5 in the West based off points %, Winny is 9th.

Wild #11 in the NHL based off points %, Winny is 22nd.

This is as far back as I care to go. We've never really been relevant at the same times.
 
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To be fair their analytics also support that their power play isn't good. They're near the bottom of the league in that category.

Could there be fixes? Maybe, but it doesn't seem to be an issue of just bad luck.
No, I think their strategy is horrible. They might be able to pivot though, and having Vilardi and Connor healthy at the same time would be a big help.
 
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3 seasons prior to this:

Wild #2 in the West based off points %, Winny is 10th

Wild #6 in the NHL based off points %, Winny is 19th.

3 seasons prior to those seasons:

Wild #9 in the West based off points %, Winny is 1st.

Wild #18 in the NHL based off points %, Winny is 5th.

3 seasons prior to those season:

Wild #5 in the West based off points %, Winny is 9th.

Wild #11 in the NHL based off points %, Winny is 22nd.

This is as far back as I care to go. We've never really been relevant at the same times.

Agreed, to be clear never in my post did I slag Minny, in fact in a different post I said Minny & Jets have a lot in common and complimented Minny. Media has always pushed this rival angle bc how close the two cities are physically but rivals are built IMO through playoffs and Minny vs the Jets in the playoffs never have been big thing. Jets IMO have a far bigger rival with the Preds from the playoffs then anyone else the Jets play vs. Minny vs Jets rivalry largely is purely a media thing IMO.
 
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