Winnipeg Jets, village burning

[MessierII]

Didn't realize "Minny" was such a complex for some people .

There are zero negative connotations with it. Just some abbreviated slang that has stuck with a lot of people since they travel there for tourism.

Exact same thing as calling Philadelphia Philly. No idea why it upsets anyone.

 

[Hank Plank]

There can't be many villages left at this point with all the teams doing their village torching.

 

[Dust]

I just looked at last year, and they are only 3 points better at the same stage of the season. Hopefully the rest of this season goes a little smoother.

 

[Krauser]

I just looked at last year, and they are only 3 points better at the same stage of the season. Hopefully the rest of this season goes a little smoother.

49 points in 38 games as of Jan 4th last year, with a record of 24-13-1 (.645), 8th best points percentage in the league
52 points in 37 games so far this year, with a record of 24-9-2 (.703), tied for 2nd best points percentage in the league

17-13 in regulation as of Jan 4th last year, plus 7-1 in OT (no shootouts). Goal differential +18 in regulation
22-9 in regulation so far this year, plus 2-3 in OT and 0-1 in shootouts. Goal differential +34 in regulation

21st in CF% and 21st in xGF% as of Jan 4th last year (5-v-5 SVA by NST)
8th in CF% and 10th in xGF% so far year (5-v-5 SVA by NST)

…Jets are much improved compared to last year, when their points total was propped up by a bunch of overtime wins.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Exact same thing as calling Philadelphia Philly. No idea why it upsets anyone.

I'm not saying it's rational.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I'm not saying it's rational.

Classic Minny fans.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

As a Jets fan I'll speak to the Rivalry with Minnesota and the wild. Specifically for me it comes from the fact that the Wild and their fans seem to have an absolutely bizarre hard on for our team and accuse us of what their team actually is, being dirty.

The franchise historically speaking, has always been a glorified crew.

As a Wild fan, I'll speak to the rivalry with Winnipeg. There isn't a natural one (much more forced), even though our franchises are basically the same, historically speaking.

 

[kylbaz]

8-1-2 since losing Kyle Connor, their leading scorer.

 

[Jaytee]

As a Jets fan, I think there are a couple of reasons for the supposed rivalry, which may or may not exist.

First, geography, because for Winnipeg, anyway, St. Paul is the closest NHL city.

Second, and fans of both teams will hate to acknowledge this (I know I hate it), is that both teams have a history of intense mediocrity. If you were to ask 100 casual hockey fans to name all 32 NHL teams, I'd bet that Winnipeg and Minnesota would be near the top of the list of teams that casual fans don't remember. Perhaps the Jets at this time would fare slightly better than Minnesota, but that's only because they have the distinction of losing a team and getting it back, and Connor Hellebuyck, the only player on either team that the casual fan has heard of.

Personally, I'm okay with this, because I like flying under the radar.

For me, though, going right back to 1972 and the WHA, the Jets' main rivals are the Oilers, Flames, and Canucks, and that dates back to Jets v1.0. I have a dislike for those teams that Minnesota will never equal, but that's just me.

At the end of the day, for me there are two teams in the NHL - the Jets, and the nameless, faceless "other" team, and none of them matter to me. It's why, during their 15-year absence, I didn't watch a single NHL game; the entire league was the nameless, faceless "other", and I had better things to do with my time. Watching sports, to me, is pointless unless I have someone to cheer for.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

11-1-2 in their last 14 games. It's about time this team gets some respect.

 

[Carbooja]

Personally, I'm okay with this, because I like flying under the radar.

For me, though, going right back to 1972 and the WHA, the Jets' main rivals are the Oilers, Flames, and Canucks, and that dates back to Jets v1.0. I have a dislike for those teams that Minnesota will never equal, but that's just me.

At the end of the day, for me there are two teams in the NHL - the Jets, and the nameless, faceless "other" team, and none of them matter to me. It's why, during their 15-year absence, I didn't watch a single NHL game; the entire league was the nameless, faceless "other", and I had better things to do with my time. Watching sports, to me, is pointless unless I have someone to cheer for.

This is how I feel as well and have mentioned it numerous times, I hate our Smythe division rivals.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

11-1-2 in their last 14 games. It's about time this team gets some respect.

They'll get respect when they prove it when it counts.

 

[snag]

If you were to ask 100 casual hockey fans to name all 32 NHL teams, I'd bet that Winnipeg and Minnesota would be near the top of the list of teams that casual fans don't remember. Perhaps the Jets at this time would fare slightly better than Minnesota, but that's only because they have the distinction of losing a team and getting it back...

They share that distinction.....

 

[Jaytee]

They'll get respect when they prove it when it counts.

I agree with you 100%.

The problem is that several other teams don't seem to need to prove the same thing to get some level of respect.

The Canadian sports media (and many of the posters on HFBoards) spend their lives doling out ridiculous numbers of articles about the Leafs and Oilers, yet both teams have underperformed and proven nothing in a way that the Jets or Canucks can't even hope to match. Yet if the Leafs win two games in a row some joker will write an article (or start a topic here) asking whether the Leafs are Stanley Cup contenders. It's ridiculous.

Consistency would be nice. If you want to argue that at the beginning of January no one is a Stanley Cup contender, or everyone is a Stanley Cup contender, you've got a valid argument to make.

Just imagine the number of threads we'd be reading around here if the Leafs had the Jets record during December, or if the Oilers had gone 27 games giving up three of fewer goals.

They share that distinction.....

Oh man, you got me good!

Of course they do! I'm sorry, major brain fart on my part.

 

[Cnile]

It looks like coach Bownesses message when they got embarrassed in their last playoff game got through to the players.

PLD & Wheeler gone
That's all it took , new attitude, tight room

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Complex is probably going too far. Mild (pun intended) annoyance is all. Couldn't even really give you a reason why.

I always thought you guys got mad at it because it's St Paul erasure.

 

[snag]

Oh man, you got me good!

Of course they do! I'm sorry, major brain fart on my part.

I am sending you a hug from my purgatory

 

[Gurilla]

A win tonight would have the Jets sitting in first place overall

 

[jokesondee]

 

[Andy6]

They share that distinction.....

True, but it was never likely that the Twin Cities would be without an NHL team forever. They were supposed to get the (old) Jets, actually ... the move to Phoenix was just a Plan B that had to be activated at the last minute.

This is how I feel as well and have mentioned it numerous times, I hate our Smythe division rivals.

Well, there was the pain of that 15-2 loss to the North Stars that has not been erased by the passage of four decades.

 

[JetsFan815]

My take on the Wild and their fans is that they are like that guy who is cheating on his gf but is paranoid that she is cheating on him and is always thinking that everyone is cheating on their partners. Wild fans have been watching Hartman and Foligno apply their trade of dirty intent to injure plays for so long that they are always thinking that everyone else must be doing the same.

 

[Flair Hay]

They'll get respect when they prove it when it counts.

Pretty much

I agree with you 100%.

The problem is that several other teams don't seem to need to prove the same thing to get some level of respect.

The Canadian sports media (and many of the posters on HFBoards) spend their lives doling out ridiculous numbers of articles about the Leafs and Oilers, yet both teams have underperformed and proven nothing in a way that the Jets or Canucks can't even hope to match. Yet if the Leafs win two games in a row some joker will write an article (or start a topic here) asking whether the Leafs are Stanley Cup contenders. It's ridiculous.

Consistency would be nice. If you want to argue that at the beginning of January no one is a Stanley Cup contender, or everyone is a Stanley Cup contender, you've got a valid argument to make.

Just imagine the number of threads we'd be reading around here if the Leafs had the Jets record during December, or if the Oilers had gone 27 games giving up three of fewer goals.


Oh man, you got me good!

Of course they do! I'm sorry, major brain fart on my part.

Not getting enough air time isn't a lack of respect, just the economics of entertainment business. It will always be that way.

If we take care of our business in the spring, they won't have any choice but to talk about us

 

[Flair Hay]

When did I try to diagnose all their problems? I simply said their on ice results are far outperforming their analytics. Thats not an opinion, thats a fact. What remains to be seen is if that will continue or if their on ice results will start to normalize with the analytics. There's outliers every year where teams greatly outperform their analytics and sometimes it lasts the entire year, while sometimes it doesn't. Its a valid question to have if their results will continue at this level.

I've never once questioned if they're going to be a playoff team. I'm questioning if they're a top 5 team like their on ice results have shown so far despite their analytics not being near top 5 overall. And for the record their analytics aren't bad. They still show them as a playoff level team just not an elite one. Its very possible they continue to have elite level on ice results.

[mod]

Stats are stats. Facts are facts. How you interpret them is very much subjective, or an opinion.

Maybe we are tooting our own horn too much.

Maybe we have had a bigger share of puck luck than our opponents.

The team defense is obviously for real, as is the goalie. How far the team goes will depend on its scoring in tighter checking playoff games where teams all have good to great defense.

Hopefully the Jets have some help coming at the deadline to aid in that department.

 

[McFlyingV]

Stats are stats. Facts are facts. How you interpret them is very much subjective, or an opinion.

Maybe we are tooting our own horn too much.

Maybe we have had a bigger share of puck luck than our opponents.

The team defense is obviously for real, as is the goalie. How far the team goes will depend on its scoring in tighter checking playoff games where teams all have good to great defense.

Hopefully the Jets have some help coming at the deadline to aid in that department.

Thats fair I appreciate the more level headed post. Admittedly I've only probably watched them play around 10 times this year and some of those were only partial games. A lot of those were also earlier in the year so maybe they have overall stepped their game up a level. I know in the two games I watched more closely into Edmonton they didn't look all that different from years passed. Still looked like a team that got heavily outplayed for large parts of the game and were bailed out constantly by Helle, but again this was 1-2 months ago and thats only a 2 game sample so that may create a bias for me. Its also entirely possible that maybe they just don't match up a well into a high speed high skill offence.

Either way when teams like Vancouver and Winnipeg are greatly outperforming their advanced stats I think its reasonable to have some pause and questions about whether they can maintain it over an entire season. Should be two interesting teams to follow into the 2nd half of the season and playoffs as I'm sure both will be there.

 

[Flair Hay]

Thats fair I appreciate the more level headed post. Admittedly I've only probably watched them play around 10 times this year and some of those were only partial games. A lot of those were also earlier in the year so maybe they have overall stepped their game up a level. I know in the two games I watched more closely into Edmonton they didn't look all that different from years passed. Still looked like a team that got heavily outplayed for large parts of the game and were bailed out constantly by Helle, but again this was 1-2 months ago and thats only a 2 game sample so that may create a bias for me. Its also entirely possible that maybe they just don't match up a well into a high speed high skill offence.

Either way when teams like Vancouver and Winnipeg are greatly outperforming their advanced stats I think its reasonable to have some pause and questions about whether they can maintain it over an entire season. Should be two interesting teams to follow into the 2nd half of the season and playoffs as I'm sure both will be there.

Edmonton definitely carried the play in the game the Oilers won with the two quick ones late. I'd say that was a top 3 game where we had the play taken to us all year. But also had a shutout going for 50+ mins so it was tough to be mad at our game overall too much.

I didn't realize we were greatly outperforming our advanced stats. I'm not sure what that means tangibly in this sense, but all the more reason for us to be looking for some scoring help.