Winnipeg Jets, village burning

[Flair Hay]

It was very likely during the Buff years. We abused a lot of teams with that group

I was an Oiler fan when I first joined these boards many moon ago but went back to the Jets when we got our team back

Everyone who was old enough to see the Jets leave knows how shitty the whole process of letting go and eventually finding a new team because we love hockey was.

Anyone who would call going back to the Jets after basically a miracle happened and we got a team back "team hopping" was not old enough to have experienced them leaving in the first place.

That, plus Dallas being the Champs in '99 tells me he started cheering for them being born in early 90's. Seen this shot all the time. If I'm wrong I'm wrong whatever lol

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Fun watching this season edition of the Winnipeg Jets as a fan
I’ll describe this version of the Jets as very blue collar team Works hard for goals and tight defensively
Seems like all the players bought in and there are no passengers in the train.

 

[Skolman]

Chevy man, might be the most underrated GM in the league.

 

[Jetcetera]

I wonder what was said between chevy and the coaches to the players at the beginning of the season. There wasn't much hope for this team, it looked like a rebuild was looming and somehow they got everyone to buy in to the system. I'm sure they made it clear that they believed in them and felt like they had what it took to be a top team this year. Instilling confidence and getting everyone on board has done wonders. No one predicted them to be as good as they have. I'm sure the attendance will also continue to rise as the season goes on. First sell out last week. Haven't been this high on the team since 17'

 

[Atoyot]

I wonder what was said between chevy and the coaches to the players at the beginning of the season. There wasn't much hope for this team, it looked like a rebuild was looming and somehow they got everyone to buy in to the system. I'm sure they made it clear that they believed in them and felt like they had what it took to be a top team this year. Instilling confidence and getting everyone on board has done wonders. No one predicted them to be as good as they have. I'm sure the attendance will also continue to rise as the season goes on. First sell out last week. Haven't been this high on the team since 17'

There wasn't much hope on the assumption that Scheifele and Hellebuyck were on their way out. It was a very pleasant surprise when they re-signed and it seems to have boosted the rest of the team.

 

[Whileee]

I know I touched on that in my post with elite goaltenders often having that effect. I guess more of the worry I would have looking at their numbers is that they're middle of the pack offensively despite outperforming their expected goals for by a significant margin. Usually the teams who outperform in that do so with elite offensive players which the Jets tend to lack. I know they've been without Connor for 10 games, but there's some concern that their offence is actually more bottom 1/3 in the league than middle of the pack. Only time will tell as the season progresses.

Jets actually have some very good finishers. Connor and Scheifele have consistently been very good scorers. Ehlers, Vilardi, Niederreiter, Perfetti are all good and creative scorers. Overall, I think the Jets' offensive talent is underrated by many.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

It's way too early for chest pumping and flag waving by any team.
The team is performing way above any expectations from the summer.
We also have some cap space to work with when the time comes.
The performance of the 3rd and 4th lines have been such a boost.
Adding Connor and Kupari back to the lineup will shift people around and give the coach great depth options.
Adding a top 6 type player could further insulate for injuries.
The D has performed better than you could hope for and the goalies are really great.

The real test for all teams is how they adjust and improve throughout the season.
Things will get a lot harder and all good teams will rise their play to that new level.
Last years Jets couldn't do that and a great November/December was washed away pretty quick.

Look at how close the standings are.
Despite an incredible run by Winnipeg they are still in the thick of it with multiple teams for the playoff spots. Which is why losing streaks and cold spells can so easily derail seasons.

Hopefully they can play well going forward... it's all you can hope for.
Playoffs are a different game and the Jets style of play thus far seems suited to that season as well.
Now score a $%^ing PP goal already!!!

 

[McFlyingV]

Jets actually have some very good finishers. Connor and Scheifele have consistently been very good scorers. Ehlers, Vilardi, Niederreiter, Perfetti are all good and creative scorers. Overall, I think the Jets' offensive talent is underrated by many.

I don't disagree that they have some offensive talent, but I'm just not sure its a strong point of theirs. The problem is Connor and Scheifele are both good players, but they're not exactly elite superstars. Similarly most good teams have a good secondary F3-6 on par with the 4 players you mentioned while also having those elite superstars that the Jets lack. Overall I think their offence is middle of the pack (good, but nothing special) with a solid D and elite goaltender.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I don't disagree that they have some offensive talent, but I'm just not sure its a strong point of theirs. The problem is Connor and Scheifele are both good players, but they're not exactly elite superstars. Similarly most good teams have a good secondary F3-6 on par with the 4 players you mentioned while also having those elite superstars that the Jets lack. Overall I think their offence is middle of the pack (good, but nothing special) with a solid D and elite goaltender.

The finals were between Vegas and Florida last year - who are the elite superstars on those teams tiered above Connor and scheifele?

If anything Wpg has the biggest elite superstar of the 3 in Hellebuyck.

Draisatls and McJesus’s don’t grow on trees! The rest of the league has to make do with Connor’s and Schiefeles, sadly.

 

[McFlyingV]

The finals were between Vegas and Florida last year - who are the elite superstars on those teams tiered above Connor and scheifele?

If anything Wpg has the biggest elite superstar of the 3 in Hellebuyck.

Draisatls and McJesus’s don’t grow on trees! The rest of the league has to make do with Connor’s and Schiefeles, sadly.

Tkachuk and Barkov are both significantly ahead of those two. Vegas I'll give you that they don't have a star forward ahead of those two, but they do have two #1D in Petro and Theodore along with an overall elite D which is not something Winnipeg possesses. I think Vegas is an anomaly to some degree of a team that got hot all around (goalie and unsustainable shooting) at the right time.

You don't need a McDavid/Draisaitl to have that elite duo up front. A lot of the elite teams have that TB - Point/Kucherov, Florida - Barkov/Tkachuk, Colorado - Mackinnon/Rantanen, NYR - Panarin/Zib to name a few.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Tkachuk and Barkov are both significantly ahead of those two. Vegas I'll give you that they don't have a star forward ahead of those two, but they do have two #1D in Petro and Theodore along with an overall elite D which is not something Winnipeg possesses. I think Vegas is an anomaly to some degree of a team that got hot all around (goalie and unsustainable shooting) at the right time.

You don't need a McDavid/Draisaitl to have that elite duo up front. A lot of the elite teams have that TB - Point/Kucherov, Florida - Barkov/Tkachuk, Colorado - Mackinnon/Rantanen, NYR - Panarin/Zib to name a few.

If you take petro or theodore ove Josh Morrissey today you are a crazy person - IMO.

I 100% agree barkov is better than scheifele, honestly I’m not sure I would take tkachuk over Connor. Similar point production - one comes with a lot less drama and team first commitment.

Regardless - I do not think the difference between barkov and tkachuk and scheifele and Connor is so great as to place them I. Seperate tiers. The biggest gap would be barkov va MS imo.

You are sleeping hard on Morrissey my dude. Elite allstar.

But we can agree to disagree. Nothing you said is out there and you’re not the first person to severely under rate morissey.

Glad we agree on hellebuyck being an elite superstar

 

[McFlyingV]

If you take petro or theodore ove Josh Morrissey today you are a crazy person - IMO.

I 100% agree barkov is better than scheifele, honestly I’m not sure I would take tkachuk over Connor. Similar point production - one comes with a lot less drama and team first commitment.

Regardless - I do not think the difference between barkov and tkachuk and scheifele and Connor is so great as to place them I. Seperate tiers. The biggest gap would be barkov va MS imo.

You are sleeping hard on Morrissey my dude. Elite allstar.

But we can agree to disagree. Nothing you said is out there and you’re not the first person to severely under rate morissey.

Glad we agree on hellebuyck being an elite superstar

I like Morrissey I'm not sleeping on him he's a #1D, but my point was Vegas has 2 of that type of D which obviously the Jets don't have.

I think your valuation on Barkov vs Schief is way off though. Barkov is light years better than Scheif and definitely an entire tier above him.

Anyways my only concern with the Jets currently looking at their record is that their offence despite being ranked outside the top 10 is still outperforming their analytics significantly. Hopefully that doesn't regress for them, but with the talent level they have it often does in these circumstances. Maybe some of that gets mitigated by the fact that they haven't had Vilardi and Connor for the entire year. I think its a valid concern if their goaltending doesn't keep bailing them out.

Either way I think they're a good team and will be a playoff team, but I'm still skeptical that they're a top team in the league at this point. I need to see more over the entire season.

 

[MardyBum]

Tkachuk and Barkov are both significantly ahead of those two. Vegas I'll give you that they don't have a star forward ahead of those two, but they do have two #1D in Petro and Theodore along with an overall elite D which is not something Winnipeg possesses. I think Vegas is an anomaly to some degree of a team that got hot all around (goalie and unsustainable shooting) at the right time.

You don't need a McDavid/Draisaitl to have that elite duo up front. A lot of the elite teams have that TB - Point/Kucherov, Florida - Barkov/Tkachuk, Colorado - Mackinnon/Rantanen, NYR - Panarin/Zib to name a few.

The Jets have an overall elite D this year.

Not that I rank them as favourites for the cup right now, but they're a top 3 defense this year.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Maybe an advanced stats person can weigh in on this but when I watch the Jets this year, they don't seem to be giving up as many high danger shots against.

Prior years it seemed to be D zone chaos mixed with Hellebuyck standing on his head every night. This year, it just looks a little different to my eye.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Burn my village down, daddy.

 

[Atoyot]

Seriously though, @MrHeiskanen, you're primetimey right?

 

[SimpleSimon]

Why not the Thrashers and the Flames? I mean they are names after a historical event that happened in Atlanta

Who could forget the great Atlanta Thrashing of January 18,2008. Sabres 10, Thrashers 1.

 

[Hunter368]

They just keep winning, I hope Bones extends, between Chevy's trades/drafting and Bones coaching.........wow this team is another a whole another level. Losing 1-0 to the Bolts, didn't even think for a single second the Jets we're going to win the game.

26 games in a row holding the opponent to 3 or less goals in the game.

 

[MardyBum]

Not sure if Bauming is accurate, but fwiw

 

[jetsforever]

I'm still cautiously optimistic but we're looking pretty good.

 

[Hunter368]

I'm still cautiously optimistic but we're looking pretty good.

Oh for sure, lots of season left and injuries etc can happen no doubt.......but what happens in the rest of the season doesn't change what they have done up till now. Impressive.

 

[DancesWithWookies]

Absolutely dominating...so far.

 

[RestlessYoungZero]

I like Morrissey I'm not sleeping on him he's a #1D, but my point was Vegas has 2 of that type of D which obviously the Jets don't have.

I think your valuation on Barkov vs Schief is way off though. Barkov is light years better than Scheif and definitely an entire tier above him.

Anyways my only concern with the Jets currently looking at their record is that their offence despite being ranked outside the top 10 is still outperforming their analytics significantly. Hopefully that doesn't regress for them, but with the talent level they have it often does in these circumstances. Maybe some of that gets mitigated by the fact that they haven't had Vilardi and Connor for the entire year. I think its a valid concern if their goaltending doesn't keep bailing them out.

Either way I think they're a good team and will be a playoff team, but I'm still skeptical that they're a top team in the league at this point. I need to see more over the entire season.

Helle is elite but goaltending is not "bailing out" the team this year. If that's the verdict that's being used then I'm pretty sure you haven't been watching the Jets this year

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Namestnikov and Niederreiter fit this team like a glove.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Helle is elite but goaltending is not "bailing out" the team this year. If that's the verdict that's being used then I'm pretty sure you haven't been watching the Jets this year

Under three goals scored against in 26 straight games is not a happy accident, every goalie has a stinker game sometimes and lets in 4+. This is really, really good team defense. Everyone is making very smart decisions with and without the puck, and Helle must love it.

I didn't know we were missing depth this bad until we finally got it. Our top 2 lines can take a day off, and the bottom 6 will bail them out, it's amazing.