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GreatSaveEssensa said:
The Jets are top 5 in 5on5 play and are top 2 in goals against. Also top 10 in offence and are currently on a 25 game streak of 3 or less goals allowed in a game. Out of those 25 games have only allowed 2 or less 19 times.

They haven't skipped a beat after losing one of the top 10 goal scorers in the league and are 6-1-2 since. They have great depth with one of the top 3rd lines in the league, if not the best. One of the top 3 goaltenders in the league along with one of the best d men in Morrissey.

They are certainly not over producing and are not punching above their weight in my opinion. They are just a very very good team.

The one major criticism would be the special teams. Especially the PP. But when you allow as little as they do in, and can out match most teams 5 on 5, they can make up for lack of pp production as they have shown to be able to do.
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They're 14th in expected goal differential 5v5 and 13th in all situations, but that bumps up to 6th at even strength. Wasn't meant to criticize them because they're getting results, but their metrics aren't nearly as good as their record and goal differential. Now advanced stats are far from perfect and they can skew a lot with elite talent at various positions (i.e. elite scorers and elite goaltenders often outpace their expected metrics), but it often weeds out some teams who are just having everything go right for them, and Boston was a prime example last season. They performed light years ahead of their analytics during the season and got bounced in the first round.

I think they're a good team, but I'm not sure they're an upper echelon elite team. They have good depth, but no real elite talent up front. Helle is certainly able to play like a top 3 goalie on any given year. I think they would be a tough matchup for a lot of teams in the playoffs, but I just need to see more of them over a full season before I start looking at them like a top 5 team in the league.
 
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McFlyingV said:
They're 14th in expected goal differential 5v5 and 13th in all situations, but that bumps up to 6th at even strength. Wasn't meant to criticize them because they're getting results, but their metrics aren't nearly as good as their record and goal differential. Now advanced stats are far from perfect and they can skew a lot with elite talent at various positions (i.e. elite scorers and elite goaltenders often outpace their expected metrics), but it often weeds out some teams who are just having everything go right for them, and Boston was a prime example last season. They performed light years ahead of their analytics during the season and got bounced in the first round.

I think they're a good team, but I'm not sure they're an upper echelon elite team. They have good depth, but no real elite talent up front. Helle is certainly able to play like a top 3 goalie on any given year. I think they would be a tough matchup for a lot of teams in the playoffs, but I just need to see more of them over a full season before I start looking at them like a top 5 team in the league.
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Yea well nobody said they were the best team in April or play offs. Duh.
Of course teams can finish top five and go out in first round . Yes Boston did it last season. Florida the year before. Toronto every year.

Jets look better than anyone called for.
Lost their leading goal scorer and haven't missed a beat.

Very Impressive!
I would say them and Flyers are are the biggest surprises of the season.
Jets will be a very tough out come play off time.
 
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McFlyingV said:
They're 14th in expected goal differential 5v5 and 13th in all situations, but that bumps up to 6th at even strength. Wasn't meant to criticize them because they're getting results, but their metrics aren't nearly as good as their record and goal differential. Now advanced stats are far from perfect and they can skew a lot with elite talent at various positions (i.e. elite scorers and elite goaltenders often outpace their expected metrics), but it often weeds out some teams who are just having everything go right for them, and Boston was a prime example last season. They performed light years ahead of their analytics during the season and got bounced in the first round.

I think they're a good team, but I'm not sure they're an upper echelon elite team. They have good depth, but no real elite talent up front. Helle is certainly able to play like a top 3 goalie on any given year. I think they would be a tough matchup for a lot of teams in the playoffs, but I just need to see more of them over a full season before I start looking at them like a top 5 team in the league.
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The Jets' being well below their expected goals against 5v5 shouldn't be a surprise. Their worst result there in the past 5 years (including this) was ranked 7th at -19 goals below expected. The other 4 years they have been first or second in the league.

Perks of having one of the best goalies in the game.
 
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Romang67 said:
The Jets' being well below their expected goals against 5v5 shouldn't be a surprise. Their worst result there in the past 5 years (including this) was ranked 7th at -19 goals below expected. The other 4 years they have been first or second in the league.

Perks of having one of the best goalies in the game.
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I know I touched on that in my post with elite goaltenders often having that effect. I guess more of the worry I would have looking at their numbers is that they're middle of the pack offensively despite outperforming their expected goals for by a significant margin. Usually the teams who outperform in that do so with elite offensive players which the Jets tend to lack. I know they've been without Connor for 10 games, but there's some concern that their offence is actually more bottom 1/3 in the league than middle of the pack. Only time will tell as the season progresses.
 
Hunter368 said:
TBH

Former Captain, PLD out

Three Kings players in

Those are pretty big changes IMO
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Also adding Brossoit as our backup was huge, lots of teams could use Brossoit as their starting goalie. Also the fact we were without Vilardi for 18 games and now Connor and we are still winning says alot about this team. Long way to go though , very long way to go.
 
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kylbaz said:
Maybe significant changes but not ones that people thought would be significant improvements. Everyone thought we'd be worse off
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Yes many did & those people were wrong/very quite now, some also said how much it would help removing PLD and Wheeler. Plus played the situation with with the Kings & Habs perfectly and got a huge return to help the team. Plus added LB in net who has been rock solid.
 
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kylbaz said:
Maybe significant changes but not ones that people thought would be significant improvements. Everyone thought we'd be worse off
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Did people actually think that trade made Winnipeg worse? Maybe I just don't have a good grasp on the opinion of PLD on this site, but I've always thought he was extremely overrated, and often showed indifferent unengaged play at times. I was pretty sure the Winnipeg fanbase was also frustrated with him a lot of the time.

Villardi talent wise is quite similar, but he needs to hopefully find some better health moving forward.
 
Romang67 said:
The Jets' being well below their expected goals against 5v5 shouldn't be a surprise. Their worst result there in the past 5 years (including this) was ranked 7th at -19 goals below expected. The other 4 years they have been first or second in the league.

Perks of having one of the best goalies in the game.
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and they have had Hellebuyck for many seasons. Yet the team has only looked this good once before, in 2018.

Having a great goalie isn't a "perk" in the NHL......it's a strategy and a must if you want to have a chance at winning.
A "perk" is playing where it's 80° in the surfing on days off
 
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OG Eberle said:
I don't frequent the Winnipeg Jets boards, but is there still a very vocal section of the fanbase that thinks Chevy is midAF and want him canned? I remember most of my friends in the city being pretty split down the middle on that one last season/offseason

Personally, I think people forget only one team can win the cup each year. Playoffs comes down to a lot of bounces going one way or the other too. He's consistently been one of the best GMs in my eyes for doing much more with so much less (in many ways).
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If you had taken a fan survey the day after the Jets got bounced from the playoffs by Vegas, it's safe to say the results would not have been favourable to Cheveldayoff. The feeling at that point was that things were starting to fall apart and a loss of several impending FAs was looming.

Since then he has hit a couple of home runs: trading PLD to LA for a great haul and re-signing Scheifele and Hellebuyck. Niederreiter has become an impact player and has re-signed. Namestnikov has gone from a rental to a fixture. Even the Wheeler buyout can be regarded as a win. Now the team is winning again and hasn't shown signs of the malaise that gripped the team last season around this time.

Last year's Jets had their issues but people forget that injuries sealed their fate in round 1. No Scheif and Morrissey really hurt them... not saying it would have been an upset, it just would have been way less disappointing than it was.

Excitement is definitely building now.
 
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PaulD said:
angry have had that "perk" for many seasons. Only looked this good once before 2018.

Having a great goalie isn't a "perk" in the NHL......it's a strategy and a must if you want to have a chance at winning.
A "perk" is playing where it's 80° in the winter and you can go to surfing on off days.
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100% true

Those people who say yeh but we would have won if it wasn’t for your goalie………I say yeh and if it wasn’t for your star 10+ million dollar centre we would have won easily. Love the cap system
 
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Jets 31 said:
Yes the Jets have been alot of fun to watch this season so far, 4 good lines, good goaltending, and good team defensive play. Going into tonight's game against Chicago the Jets have gone 22 straight games without giving up more than 3 goals. Jets are a damn good team. :naughty:
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Getting rid of Wheeler and Dubois really helps. Wish they got rid of Wheeler earlier.
 
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HockeyWooot said:
Happy holidays folks! Seems not enough people talking about the Jets and their play this year.

20-9-3 at the break, good for 7th place league wide in terms of points and points percentage. 8-1-1 in their last 10.

Pretty great story considering where many thought this team might be headed this past off-season. The way they are playing right now have to think they can be a darkhorse pick for the cup.

Discuss.
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Happy to see the jets doing so well!

Hope they can keep it up and do some damage in the playoffs

MrHeiskanen said:
Jack Eichel is aight.

Also, you think Winnipeg has a shot at the Cup based on what?
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That’s a very low level ‘superstar’
 
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