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Winnipeg Jets select D Logan Stanley (1/18) Part II (Mod warning in OP)
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JetsFan815
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What a farce. First of all zinger is the gm of the moose who iced a historically bad team, why does he get a prominent say in the Jets amateur scouting.
at Hillier, just makes me sad about the future of this franchise. Hillier should tender his resignation first thing in the morning if he has any shame. Zinger needs to be banned for life from jets scouting meetings.
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As much as we may like or dislike this pick the reality is the org. sees something in this guy.
Laine otoh was dumb luck pure and simple.
I don't particularly like Chevy but I admit he's damned if he does or damned if he doesn't
I do hope Stanley turns out to be Myers or Myers lite at least
Laine otoh was dumb luck pure and simple.
I don't particularly like Chevy but I admit he's damned if he does or damned if he doesn't
I do hope Stanley turns out to be Myers or Myers lite at least
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It depends Joe. I have sources too and there is a huge difference between when they are spitballing like one of us does, or when they are speculating with some substance, and when they are giving you real juice. Its up to the vetted poster to differentiate and I don't expect them to pitch shutouts.
We're not in court of law here so everyone is free to take the word of a trusted poster at face value or to blow it off as here say. Personally I like to get a glimpse of the inside from others on here and its not like we are inside trading
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Logan Stanley is apparently the anti-Stempniak
I, for one, happen to like Stanley and am more than willing to see how this plays out.
If you dont like this Jets management team, just look at some of the others around the league. We are golden in comparison.
I, for one, happen to like Stanley and am more than willing to see how this plays out.
If you dont like this Jets management team, just look at some of the others around the league. We are golden in comparison.
I may not always agree with Garrets opinions but I definitely respect them. He is one of the more informed posters we have, if not the most informed. Every piece of inside information he has given us has held it's weight. Including just recently, in the 2016 draft thread, when he told us the Jets scouts are very high on Stanley. He has earned the right to be trusted when giving us inside info into Jetland.
With that being said who would take Rubstov and Laberge in a trade straight up for Stanley and Green right now?
With that being said who would take Rubstov and Laberge in a trade straight up for Stanley and Green right now?
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I like Zinger on a personal level but I tend to think he is pretty old school listening to him in interviews. I look at him as a Carlyle disciple. War rooms are a place for debate and I would hope the Jets war room has a strong and educated analytics contingent to present their evidence. In my humble opinion there is nothing to lose by a strong look at the numbers too.
Logan Stanley is apparently the anti-Stempniak
I, for one, happen to like Stanley and am more than willing to see how this plays out.
If you dont like this Jets management team, just look at some of the others around the league. We are golden in comparison.
It's no excuse though. Why are NHL GM's soooooo freakin bad!? Like, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to run an NHL team.
What's funnier is the teams that seem to be operating based on numbers rather than the old school eye test seem to be heading in the right direction. Florida and Arizona had great drafts and are assembling some pretty great teams despite being among the lowest in attendance and operating income in the league and both are run by GM's who are on the more progressive side of analytics and draft models. I give it another 5 years and we start seeing more teams run by guys like Chayka with analytics rather than professional experience. Even the leafs have Dubas.
Yup. That would create a healthy debate around the table.
Management needs to continually grow, learn and be open to new ideas. Will fall further behind if you don't.
Channelcat
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They also have Lou, who I expect will fully derail that rebuild at some point. As for NHL management? Its still very much an old boys network......at least for the time being.
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I think it will change at some point soon especially if Arizona and/or Florida become contenders and win a few cups. Other teams will start following suite, especially those with more progressive ownership. I mean the Coyotes are essentially a team owned by the NHL still and they are now leading the pack in that category. They see it as a way to save that franchise.
I don't care if it ever becomes standard around the league to have guys like that running the show but I do agree with you that that day is coming. I wish for the jets to be among the first few teams to embrace the approach so they can exploit market inefficiencies.
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Jets are ahead of the curve on monitoring "biomarkers" and customizing player routine based on these "biomarkers" http://www.tsn.ca/jets-closely-monitoring-players-rest-and-recovery-1.461105 It is going to be all the rage in 5 years, it is not snake-oil at all
Strong arguments can be made that the Coyotes and IA are a puppet members club for the NHL who actually have majority ownership of the franchise. Venture over to the BOH. lots of fun stuff going on with that team.
Time will tell with Stanley.
Not officially. Buddy hasn't made a single payment as far as I've heard. And further yet I've heard he hasn't been calling the shots either.
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Jets are ahead of the curve on monitoring "biomarkers" and customizing player routine based on these "biomarkers" http://www.tsn.ca/jets-closely-monitoring-players-rest-and-recovery-1.461105 It is going to be all the rage in 5 years, it is not snake-oil at all
$4b in annual revenue and we get biomarkers, Carlyle rehired, Hall for Larsson, Subban for Weber and Stanley in the first round!
If you take a step back and look at the overall body of work accumulated over 6 years of drafting do we really have a basis for complaining about or calling into question our drafting approach? For the most part our higher picks have been more than satisfactory from a numbers perspective and now we have one pick that is a departure from this principal and it results in some people calling in to question the approach we have for evaluating players. Like you I want the Jets to be acutely aware of what the numbers are saying but I also want them to also have the capacity for looking beyond the numbers when it is warranted.
I think they should be given credit for what they have done but we should also be cautionary when looking at it. I mean Scheif was a great pick, they identified someone who would have likely gone a bit later and took him a bit earlier so props there. Trouba was basically BPA, a lot of lists had us taking him at 9 so we I mean we can credit them for not being risky in any way with that pick. Morrissey was actually ranked out of the top 15 on most lists by draft day. So maybe a bit of a reach there. Time will still tell whether they made the right pick there. But then we get to the 2 drafts they get the most credit for.. but honestly what did they really do? We're basically giving them a bunch of credit for being competent enough not to pass on falling players. How sad is that? It's not like they identified diamonds in the rough. Virtually everyone watching at home that pays even a little bit of attention to prospects could have made those decisions. Were basically thanking them for not screwing up. I don't get congratulated at work when someone else makes a mistake and I don't make the same one. Not only that but the Laine pick was a no brainer too. So basically they have 1 low reach, 1 medium reach and 1 bigger reach at least by statistical methods. The low reach is panning out, were waiting on the medium reach to hit the show and the big reach still has much to prove.
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Puckatron 3000
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Pretty much.
And by the way - good batch of posts lately, Dax.
To me, Chevy has earned his money lately in other ways - like the handling of Ladd/Buff, the Kane trade, and sticking to his guns on bringing in the young guys. But yeah, a large part of his competence as a GM is "not screwing up big time". Which, for sure, does not bode well for the general competence of NHL GMs.
I agree - the batch of teams that first devote themselves to "moneypuck" analytics, for drafting, roster decisions, and trades, will leave the rest in the dust. I'm worried the Jets have yet to fully embrace this. Why do we not have a pure analytics guy as part of management?
I think there will always be a place for traditional scouting, just as there will always be a place for "intangibles" that contribute to team harmony. That gets into fuzzy sports psychology stuff. But this should be used to tune the analytics-driven machine, or operate in areas where analytics is not conclusive. It should not guide your overall approach.
It looks to me like lots of GMs are still calling it from gut instinct. It won't be long till these dinosaurs face an extinction.
Could not agree more. I was relatively confident that the Jets were in fact progressive in this area following the 2015 draft ,but the 2016 draft and particularly the insight that Stanley might have been in the top 10 on our head scouts list has shaken that badly. We certainly should have a pure analytics guy on our management as you suggest.
I had to scroll to the top to remember that this was a Logan Stanley thread. Can we get back on topic, please? Some interesting discussion, but not much related to the OP - feel free to open a new topic to discuss drafting methodologies (or anything else that strikes your fancy), but from here on we'll probably start deleting the OT stuff if it continues. Thanks!
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