GDT: Winnipeg Jets @ NY Rangers, 6PM CST -- "We Just Might Be" edition.

[winnipegger]

Is this the real Test?

 

[JetsFan815]

Here's why this convo is a nothingburger

Cole has played 711 minutes this season, and he's been on the ice for 30 goals for and 19 against

Basically, that 11 goal difference spread over his entire season and assuming 45 second shifts and 8 minutes of ice a game ont the 4th line means that his team will outscore their opponents once every 8 games with him on the ice

Gus has played 267 minutes this year. He's been on for 6 goals for, and 9 against.

Based on the same assumptions as Cole regarding 4th line usage, Gus will be on the ice for one more goal against than for every 11 games

In other words, neither of these guys impact the game enough to be bitching about at the level we see here

Here's why this convo is a nothingburger


Scheifele has played 968 minutes this season, and he's been on the ice for 50 goals for and 32 against


Basically, that 18 goal difference spread over his entire season and assuming 45 second shifts and 18 minutes of ice a game ont the top line means that his team will outscore their opponents once every 3 games with him on the ice


Perfetti has played 710 minutes this year. He's been on for 30 goals for, and 19 against.


Based on the same assumptions as Cole getting 1st line usage, Cole will result in his team outscoring his opponents once every 3.5 games


In other words, there is practically no difference in the impact of Cole or Scheifele in top line minutes.

Author's note: The sleight of hand employed in this post and the post this is a reply to is left as an exercise for the reader.

 

[robertocarlos]

"Now who can argue with that".

 

[KingBogo]

Monahan isn't a second line centre. Toffolii is a great RW add. None of this had anything to do with Perfetti. He should be in the lineup in an everyday role with these players.

How do you not consider Monahan a 2nd line center? He has been very effective so far in that role so far with the Jets. IMO Monahan is the type of player that makes those around him better as he does all the little things so well.

 

[Buffdog]

Here's why this convo is a nothingburger


Scheifele has played 968 minutes this season, and he's been on the ice for 50 goals for and 32 against


Basically, that 18 goal difference spread over his entire season and assuming 45 second shifts and 18 minutes of ice a game ont the top line means that his team will outscore their opponents once every 3 games with him on the ice


Perfetti has played 710 minutes this year. He's been on for 30 goals for, and 19 against.


Based on the same assumptions as Cole getting 1st line usage, Cole will result in his team outscoring his opponents once every 3.5 games


In other words, there is practically no difference in the impact of Cole or Scheifele in top line minutes.

Author's note: The sleight of hand employed in this post and the post this is a reply to is left as an exercise for the reader.

Exactly. Line combos and usage mean less than everyone around here makes them out to based on shitty made up stats and relative scoring rates

One of my favorite things about you as a poster is you reply to my posts to try to prove me wrong about something but end up just making my point for me. Thank you

 

[robertocarlos]

HFRangers are neck and neck with us at 8 pages and they're not even allowed to shit post. We need to step up our game.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I get mostly everyone wants Perfetti to have success, it helps the Jets and that's all i really care about. I have a tough time calling out Bowness with the success we are having so far though but that's just me.

It certainly is not just you, but the success he is having doesn't mean we should need to agree with every decision he makes.

In this case it appears he is favouring some combination of vet, size, physicality, strength, perceived vs actual defensive play, etc. People are pointing out some logical flaws in the decision, based on the available factual information. How impactful the decisions will be remains to be seen.

Its not like Gus is some kind of huge liability. Neither is Iafallo. But we might be better off with Perfetti in for Iafallo.

 

[bustamente]

That's a fair assessment, though I would like to see if he can carve out a role on the 4th line. The kid sure hit a wall and will need to battle like hell to get past it, but that can't happen from the PB. He has all the hockey smarts in the world, but hopefully this offseason he works on strength and speed as that is his 2 biggest obstacles at this point.

A great off season program would do wonders for him wherever the Jets decide he should line up, that and some confidence.

 

[Inanna]

Who banned Jane? The girls on here made fun of her and took snide shots at her great rack, but I don't recall anyone calling for a ban.

Made fun of her?

Took snide shots?

I can't imagine anyone ever doing such a thing.

 

[KingBogo]

HFRangers are neck and neck with us at 8 pages and they're not even allowed to shit post. We need to step up our game.

So what epic player debate do they have going on?

 

[JetsFan815]

Exactly. Line combos and usage mean less than everyone around here makes them out to based on shitty made up stats and relative scoring rates

One of my favorite things about you as a poster is you reply to my posts to try to prove me wrong about something but end up just making my point for me. Thank you

When you are agreeing with a post made in jest about Perfetti having practically equivalent impact to Scheifele, made in response to post that used the same flawed line of thinking that was trying to assert that Gus/Perfetti have the same impact (and thus by transitive property agreeing that Scheif/Gus have equivalent impact based on the parameters of these posts), then it is time to take a step back and observe the logical cul-de-sac you have argued yourself into.

I don't make posts trying to prove anyone wrong. If I respond to a post offering a counter it is because there is something in there that didn't make sense to me. I generally have an open mind that is open to being proven wrong. Maybe there is good reason Gus should play over Perfetti but what you presented is not that as the exact same argument can be used to defend making Scheifele a healthy scratch over Gus.

 

[MardyBum]

How do you not consider Monahan a 2nd line center? He has been very effective so far in that role so far with the Jets. IMO Monahan is the type of player that makes those around him better as he does all the little things so well.

Because he's not playing second line comp and he's not driving play. He's a useful player but he's a sheltered third line C at home and an attempted sheltered third line C on the road who is good for the Jets on the PP.

He's not the guy who moves the bus like Scheifele or Lowry or Stastny(as a TDL acquisition).

I like his offense but I want no part of him matching against another teams top 6.

 

[robertocarlos]

So what epic player debate do they have going on?

Rempe. They are predicting riots in the stands and the arrest of Laviolette.

 

[MardyBum]

Exactly. Line combos and usage mean less than everyone around here makes them out to based on shitty made up stats and relative scoring rates

One of my favorite things about you as a poster is you reply to my posts to try to prove me wrong about something but end up just making my point for me. Thank you

Can you guys do that for Connor-Scheifele without Ehlers and Ehlers-Scheifele without Connor?

I wonder

 

[KingBogo]

A great off season program would do wonders for him wherever the Jets decide he should line up, that and some confidence.

I've always kind of seen him a little behind his age group physically and it might take him a year or 2 more to physically mature to the point where he can become the player his skill level should take him.

 

[JetsFan815]

Man there's a guy on the main board saying Hellebuyck is only good because of the Jets defense and I just can't even imagine how ignorant of the Jets and his entire career you would have to be, to make that take.

I gotta stay off that place lol.

I once saw someone on the main boards or twitter once post that Joseph Woll would have similar stats to Helle if he was playing behind the Jets D.

 

[KingBogo]

Because he's not playing second line comp and he's not driving play. He's a useful player but he's a sheltered third line C at home and an attempted sheltered third line C on the road who is good for the Jets on the PP.

He's not the guy who moves the bus like Scheifele or Lowry or Stastny(as a TDL acquisition).

I like his offense but I want no part of him matching against another teams top 6.

But playing with Ehlers you don't need to drive play, you need to help keep possession, distribute the puck between the wings, be conscientious on defense and score on your opportunities. His production numbers are very much in line with #2 centers across the league.

 

[macmaroon]

We are now live...

 

[Buffdog]

When you are agreeing with a post made in jest about Perfetti having practically equivalent impact to Scheifele, made in response to post that used the same flawed line of thinking that was trying to assert that Gus/Perfetti have the same impact (and thus by transitive property agreeing that Scheif/Gus have equivalent impact based on the parameters of these posts), then it is time to take a step back and observe the logical cul-de-sac you have argued yourself into.

I don't make posts trying to prove anyone wrong. If I respond to a post offering a counter it is because there is something in there that didn't make sense to me. I generally have an open mind that is open to being proven wrong. Maybe there is good reason Gus should play over Perfetti but what you presented is not that as the exact same argument can be used to defend making Scheifele a healthy scratch over Gus.

Transitive property doesn't apply lol. You can compare Cole to Gus on the 4th line and Cole to schief on the 1st line because Cole and Gus have played on the 4th line and Cole and Schief have played on the 1st line. Gus has never played on the first line and schief has never played on the 4th

In order for transitive property to be applicable, all other factors have to be equal which they are clearly not

You seem like a pretty bright person, so this last post surprised me a little bit. I find it hard to believe that you didn't think of that

After Gus gets some minutes with first line talent and Schief gets some with 4th line talent (Cole has time with both), we can circle back to your ridiculous take and look at it objectively

 

[Stumbledore]

Made fun of her?

Took snide shots?

I can't imagine anyone ever doing such a thing.

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Har, har, har.

 

[macmaroon]

Last chance to get your guesses into the Prediction Contest...

 

[Stumbledore]

We are now live...

And hoping to stay that way for a few more years!

 

[bustamente]

Hope Bones gets everything taken care of here and gets back to the team when he's ready, players and coaches knows what he wants done on the ice so we should be okay for the next little while

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Last chance to get your guesses into the Prediction Contest...

I predict 1 more angst-riddled page of Gus vs Perfetti before we move on to the main course - Ehlers vs KFC

 

[Buffdog]

Can you guys do that for Connor-Scheifele without Ehlers and Ehlers-Scheifele without Connor?

I wonder

We've done that. Ehlers Schief does better than Connor Schief. Nobody has ever disagreed with that

The major disagreements are why Bones continues to deploy Connor Schief despite the entire universe being able to see that statistically, Ehlers Schief appears strong be a superior pairing and whether or not the team has a better chance of winning if Ehlers and Schief are paired together or split up on different lines