GDT: Winnipeg Jets @ NY Rangers, 6PM CST -- "We Just Might Be" edition.

[TheDeuce]

I didn't see Stan as a D-man. Why didn't they make him a wingman.

A suggestion that we move a large defenseman to forward. That takes me back.



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[Jets 31]

Because he's not playing second line comp and he's not driving play. He's a useful player but he's a sheltered third line C at home and an attempted sheltered third line C on the road who is good for the Jets on the PP.

He's not the guy who moves the bus like Scheifele or Lowry or Stastny(as a TDL acquisition).

I like his offense but I want no part of him matching against another teams top 6.

We are way better with Monahan than without that's for sure.

 

[KingBogo]

I predict 1 more angst-riddled page of Gus vs Perfetti before we move on to the main course - Ehlers vs KFC

I'm still laughing at this one

 

[JetsFan815]

Transitive property doesn't apply lol. You can compare Cole to Gus on the 4th line and Cole to schief on the 1st line because Cole and Gus have played on the 4th line and Cole and Schief have played on the 1st line. Gus has never played on the first line and schief has never played on the 4th

In order for transitive property to be applicable, all other factors have to be equal which they are clearly not

You seem like a pretty bright person, so this last post surprised me a little bit. I find it hard to believe that you didn't think of that

After Gus gets some minutes with first line talent and Schief gets some with 4th line talent (Cole has time with both), we can circle back to your ridiculous take and look at it objectively

You are so close. Ok no need to apply the transitive property, I will use your exact same words to justify that Scheifele should be a healthy scratch for Gus.

Here's why this convo is a nothingburger


Scheifele has played 968 minutes this season, and he's been on the ice for 50 goals for and 32 against


Basically, that 18 goal difference spread over his entire season and assuming 45 second shifts and 18 minutes of ice a game ont the 4th line means that his team will outscore their opponents once every 7 games with him on the ice


Gus has played 267 minutes this year. He's been on for 6 goals for, and 9 against. .


Based on the same assumptions as Scheifele regarding 4th line usage, Gus will be on the ice for one more goal against than for every 11 games

In other words, neither of these guys impact the game enough to be bitching about at the level we see here

 

[bustamente]

Torts made Couturier captain tonight he makes him a healthy scratch. Main boards arguments back in the day on who was better Scheifele or Couturier seem silly now

 

[The Blue Baron]

Oh Torts!

Benches his Captain while in a playoff spot.

What a ding bat.

Couturier the guy taken right after Fefe. Feel for the guy.

 

[MardyBum]

But playing with Ehlers you don't need to drive play, you need to help keep possession, distribute the puck between the wings, be conscientious on defense and score on your opportunities. His production numbers are very much in line with #2 centers across the league.

But if your play is being driven by a winger are you a 2C? I don't think Stastny "needed" Laine and Ehlers, they just made each other better to the tune of a 1st line. Monahan with the Jets has gone on stretches of play with not much 5v5, which is okay because he wins faceoffs. Other players get benched. And at the end of the day Scheif/Lowry are taking the hard matchups if possible.

He's a 2nd/3rd tweener for me, like he was with the Habs.

 

[JetsFan815]

Oh Torts!

Benches his Captain while in a playoff spot.

What a ding bat.

Couturier the guy taken right after Fefe. Feel for the guy.

I know Chevy talked to Torts before they hired Rick. If they had gone ahead with Torts as the Jets head coach it would have been interesting, not sure if it'd be better but there certainty wouldn't be any sacred cows with him behind the Jets bench

 

[DRW204]

Cole Perfetti. 63 GP 14 goals 17 assists 31 points
Morgan Barron 66 GP 10 goals 5 assists 15 points
David Gustafasson 33 GP 2 goals 2 assists 4 points (107 total NHL games 3 goals 8 assists 11 points)
Alex Iafallo. 67 GP 10 goal 13 assists. 23 points

Perfetti has been in a 20 game slump and stiil has 16 more points than Barron and 8 more points than Iaffallo. Kinda makes me wonder what Barron and Iaffalo have been doing all year but they seem to get a pass.

Hey lol guy show me something that shows Iaffalo, Barron and Gustafsson have been better than Perfetti this year.

Bones says he is doing everything he can to keep Perfetti in the lineup. If playing Perfetti, a talented 22 year old on the 4th line, on his off side no lees, is everything Bones can do to keep Perfetti in the lineup i would hate to see what Bones would do if he was trying to get a guy off the team. Bones needs to come clean with Perfetti and tell him that he thinks he is too small to play on a Bones team in the NHL. It's the only reason i can think off for not playing Perfetti over a slug like Gustafsson.

Im totally not going to read the last few pages of @surixon clear dick riding of Perfetti. So apologies your post out of context

Agreed with Iafallo and Gus. Iafallo in particular for sure has been super unproductive. Top-6 most of the year and has not produced, including separate goal droughts of 18 and 20 games. Gus is a huge nothing burger on the 4th line.

Barron is playing 4th line mins w/ the likes of Gus & Kupari. Him scoring 10 goals is actually pretty impressive given his TOI. Barron ATOI at 5v5 is 8.8mins, using 9.6 mins or lower (10% higher than Barron) he's 3rd in the NHL in 5v5 goals/60, raising the minimum to 10.5 mins/gp he's 7th. he's doing the most with what he gets.

imo, given how unproductive both Perfetti, Iafallo have been... id like to see Barron given a bit of a top-6 shot. I was not thrilled w/ his game last year in the top-6 but given the alternative options like Perfetti & Iafallo's recent production, maybe Barron warrants a look. At the minimum he can provide more speed and physicality as Iafallo, while IMO still doing the grinding/digging role pretty well.

 

[MardyBum]

We are way better with Monahan than without that's for sure.

For sure, but like with Namestnikov, we need to realize that doesn't mean he's the "2C" this team has been searching for

 

[bustamente]

I know Chevy talked to Torts before they hired Rick. If they had gone ahead with Torts as the Jets head coach it would have been interesting, not sure if it'd be better but there certainty wouldn't be any sacred cows with him behind the Jets bench

With Torts here as coach I feel Scheifele does not sign his extension.

 

[KingBogo]

But if your play is being driven by a winger are you a 2C? I don't think Stastny "needed" Laine and Ehlers, they just made each other better to the tune of a 1st line. Monahan with the Jets has gone on stretches of play with not much 5v5, which is okay because he wins faceoffs. Other players get benched. And at the end of the day Scheif/Lowry are taking the hard matchups if possible.

He's a 2nd/3rd tweener for me, like he was with the Habs.

A 2nd/3rd tweener is better than anyone else we have for the 2nd line center spot and if that line keeps firing like they have been that is more than good enough for me.

 

[The Blue Baron]

I know Chevy talked to Torts before they hired Rick. If they had gone ahead with Torts as the Jets head coach it would have been interesting, not sure if it'd be better but there certainty wouldn't be any sacred cows with him behind the Jets bench

How do you “know” this? Local talking heads?

 

[kanadalainen]

Rempe. They are predicting riots in the stands and the arrest of Laviolette.

Ah, the old arrest-of-Laviolette ploy. Oldest one in the book.

 

[MardyBum]

A 2nd/3rd tweener is better than anyone else we have for the 2nd line center spot and if that line keeps firing like they have been that is more than good enough for me.

I agree (Unfortunately for this team, forever afraid) was just arguing against the statement he's a 2C. I think he's a tweener at best. We'll see in the playoffs.

 

[kanadalainen]

With Torts here as coach I feel Scheifele does not sign his extension.

or Helly, by extension.

 

[The Blue Baron]

Igor likes gross stained yellow, formerly white, helmet straps. Gross!

 

[King Woodballs]

This is a big one
#thatsnotwhatshesaid

 

[The Blue Baron]

or Helly, by extension.

One thing is for sure Couturier will want out asap now!

Or Torts out faster.

 

[bustamente]

Jets have to be ready for the speed that the Rangers play with, got to be ready right at puck drop. Igor is beatable this year

 

[Buffdog]

You are so close. Ok no need to apply the transitive property, I will use your exact same words to justify that Scheifele should be a healthy scratch for Gus.

Here's why this convo is a nothingburger


Scheifele has played 968 minutes this season, and he's been on the ice for 50 goals for and 32 against


Basically, that 18 goal difference spread over his entire season and assuming 45 second shifts and 18 minutes of ice a game ont the 4th line means that his team will outscore their opponents once every 7 games with him on the ice


Gus has played 267 minutes this year. He's been on for 6 goals for, and 9 against. .


Based on the same assumptions as Scheifele regarding 4th line usage, Gus will be on the ice for one more goal against than for every 11 games

In other words, neither of these guys impact the game enough to be bitching about at the level we see here

OK, you made your point more clearly this time.

Just to be clear (again), Cole wouldn't be out of the line up if he was putting up points at the same rate he was at the start of the year (let alone out of the top 6). And once you control for quality of line mates, Cole's results on the 4th line in terms of goal differential are worse than Gus

Lastly, you are still making my point to some degree. Adding or subtracting a player from the line up will have a different sized effect based on who they are but overall, it's not as huge as we'd all think. If you put Gus at 1C with Ehlers and Vilardi (your dream wingers for Schief), he won't put up "scheifele" numbers, but he'll score at a higher rate than with Barron and Namestnikov. Conversely, if you drop Schief down to the 4th line, his numbers will dip but not to Gus levels.

Which is why Gus vs Cole as 4RW is a nothingburger

 

[macmaroon]

 

[Fatdrunk]

TRUENORTH

 

[The Blue Baron]

Igor likes gross stained yellow, formerly white, helmet straps. Gross!

TRUE NORTH

 

[wasup]

Oh Torts!

Benches his Captain while in a playoff spot.

What a ding bat.

Couturier the guy taken right after Fefe. Feel for the guy.

I've been a Flyer fan as well but have stopped cause of that flippin CLOWN .