JetsWillFly4Ever
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We also got a unanimous Vezina type season out of Helle. As good as he is, natural to expect some regression there as well.
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Apart from Ehlers I don't think there's significant value in those guys at the deadline. 3rds and 4ths.
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I'd be happy to trade off an unanimous Vezina season, for unanimous Conn Smythe playoffs.
If Celine Dion can make a come-back then so can the Jets.
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Yeah and Helly might even learn to play playoff hockey!
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He might also not be overplayed by a Jurassic coaching staff that "doesn't believe in things" like goalies being able to be overplayed.
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scelaton
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Excerpts from tomorrow's Wpg Free Press article: Strength in Numbers
www.winnipegfreepress.com
One of the primary focal points during the (upcoming Jets coaches') summit will be analytics, which Arniel said ... in May will take on a greater role under his watch.
The move is being applauded by external experts in the field, who believe the Jets have been lagging behind some of their competition when it comes to the so-called fancy stats game.
“It would certainly seem like the Jets haven’t used analytics...to their capacity....compared to teams that are all-in on analytics, like Colorado, Florida and Carolina,” said Byron Bader, the Calgary-born creator of Hockey Prospecting, a data-driven player comparison and drafting tool.
The Colorado Avalanche are credited with using analytics to make adjustments on the fly to bury the Jets in the first round of the playoffs. (Fred Greenslade / The Canadian Press files)
For the second consecutive post-season, Rick Bowness was unable to launch his own counter-punch, and his group was quickly ushered into the golf season.
Bader said some of Winnipeg’s brightest offensive stars and biggest minute-munchers — Mark Scheifele and Kyle Connor up front, and Neal Pionk on the blue line — are some of the biggest culprits..... meaning caution is often needed when it comes to their deployment.
“They have an all-world goalie in...Hellebuyck that can cover up a lot of mistakes,” said Bader. “Teams...more engaged on the analytics side may use those types of players more strategically.”
“Analytics and data analysis aren’t going anywhere. It’s becoming more and more prominent,” Bader said. “The motto in nearly any industry right now, not just sports, is, ‘the more data the better.’.. All the best teams that are winning currently are heavily focused on analytics.”
New Jets bench boss Scott Arniel convening summer coaching camp for staff this week
There are no musical acts performing, no food trucks or mosh pits to be found and no merchandise for sale. For those reasons alone, this particular seasonal gathering doesn’t quite pack the same punch...
www.winnipegfreepress.com
One of the primary focal points during the (upcoming Jets coaches') summit will be analytics, which Arniel said ... in May will take on a greater role under his watch.
The move is being applauded by external experts in the field, who believe the Jets have been lagging behind some of their competition when it comes to the so-called fancy stats game.
“It would certainly seem like the Jets haven’t used analytics...to their capacity....compared to teams that are all-in on analytics, like Colorado, Florida and Carolina,” said Byron Bader, the Calgary-born creator of Hockey Prospecting, a data-driven player comparison and drafting tool.
The Colorado Avalanche are credited with using analytics to make adjustments on the fly to bury the Jets in the first round of the playoffs. (Fred Greenslade / The Canadian Press files)
For the second consecutive post-season, Rick Bowness was unable to launch his own counter-punch, and his group was quickly ushered into the golf season.
Bader said some of Winnipeg’s brightest offensive stars and biggest minute-munchers — Mark Scheifele and Kyle Connor up front, and Neal Pionk on the blue line — are some of the biggest culprits..... meaning caution is often needed when it comes to their deployment.
“They have an all-world goalie in...Hellebuyck that can cover up a lot of mistakes,” said Bader. “Teams...more engaged on the analytics side may use those types of players more strategically.”
“Analytics and data analysis aren’t going anywhere. It’s becoming more and more prominent,” Bader said. “The motto in nearly any industry right now, not just sports, is, ‘the more data the better.’.. All the best teams that are winning currently are heavily focused on analytics.”
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"Analytics guy hypes analytics"Excerpts from tomorrow's Wpg Free Press article: Strength in Numbers
New Jets bench boss Scott Arniel convening summer coaching camp for staff this week
There are no musical acts performing, no food trucks or mosh pits to be found and no merchandise for sale. For those reasons alone, this particular seasonal gathering doesn’t quite pack the same punch...
One of the primary focal points during the (upcoming Jets coaches') summit will be analytics, which Arniel said ... in May will take on a greater role under his watch.
The move is being applauded by external experts in the field, who believe the Jets have been lagging behind some of their competition when it comes to the so-called fancy stats game.
“It would certainly seem like the Jets haven’t used analytics...to their capacity....compared to teams that are all-in on analytics, like Colorado, Florida and Carolina,” said Byron Bader, the Calgary-born creator of Hockey Prospecting, a data-driven player comparison and drafting tool.
The Colorado Avalanche are credited with using analytics to make adjustments on the fly to bury the Jets in the first round of the playoffs. (Fred Greenslade / The Canadian Press files)
For the second consecutive post-season, Rick Bowness was unable to launch his own counter-punch, and his group was quickly ushered into the golf season.
Bader said some of Winnipeg’s brightest offensive stars and biggest minute-munchers — Mark Scheifele and Kyle Connor up front, and Neal Pionk on the blue line — are some of the biggest culprits..... meaning caution is often needed when it comes to their deployment.
“They have an all-world goalie in...Hellebuyck that can cover up a lot of mistakes,” said Bader. “Teams...more engaged on the analytics side may use those types of players more strategically.”
“Analytics and data analysis aren’t going anywhere. It’s becoming more and more prominent,” Bader said. “The motto in nearly any industry right now, not just sports, is, ‘the more data the better.’.. All the best teams that are winning currently are heavily focused on analytics.”
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scelaton
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That is one interpretation of the article, but I wouldn't call it particularly....analytical.
The article is about our new coaching staff embracing analytics, so naturally they interviewed a hockey analytics expert to help explain this emerging trend to their readers.
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WolfHouse
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Statistically the chances of you changing are quite low - I agree.
What I found interesting, and to no one’s surprise, was the mention of the Schiefele/KC combo being poor defensively. I would really like to see Ehlers on that top line, or at least to try it for a while. Our best run last year was when KC was hurt so it would be worth a try, IMO.That is one interpretation of the article, but I wouldn't call it particularly....analytical.
The article is about our new coaching staff embracing analytics, so naturally they interviewed a hockey analytics expert to help explain this emerging trend to their readers.
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I'd just like to know how you can say analytics won Colorado the series without a single shred of evidence to back that up...MacKinnon credited Mittlestadt with dominating Monahan as the series changer. You could say that Colorado's defense applied a lot more pressure as a difference. You could say Colorado's PP won them the crucial game 3 and there were no analytics in De Melo's blown tire or Pionk's own goal, both pivotal plays, to my knowledge...Evidence please.Excerpts from tomorrow's Wpg Free Press article: Strength in Numbers
New Jets bench boss Scott Arniel convening summer coaching camp for staff this week
There are no musical acts performing, no food trucks or mosh pits to be found and no merchandise for sale. For those reasons alone, this particular seasonal gathering doesn’t quite pack the same punch...
One of the primary focal points during the (upcoming Jets coaches') summit will be analytics, which Arniel said ... in May will take on a greater role under his watch.
The move is being applauded by external experts in the field, who believe the Jets have been lagging behind some of their competition when it comes to the so-called fancy stats game.
“It would certainly seem like the Jets haven’t used analytics...to their capacity....compared to teams that are all-in on analytics, like Colorado, Florida and Carolina,” said Byron Bader, the Calgary-born creator of Hockey Prospecting, a data-driven player comparison and drafting tool.
The Colorado Avalanche are credited with using analytics to make adjustments on the fly to bury the Jets in the first round of the playoffs. (Fred Greenslade / The Canadian Press files)
For the second consecutive post-season, Rick Bowness was unable to launch his own counter-punch, and his group was quickly ushered into the golf season.
Bader said some of Winnipeg’s brightest offensive stars and biggest minute-munchers — Mark Scheifele and Kyle Connor up front, and Neal Pionk on the blue line — are some of the biggest culprits..... meaning caution is often needed when it comes to their deployment.
“They have an all-world goalie in...Hellebuyck that can cover up a lot of mistakes,” said Bader. “Teams...more engaged on the analytics side may use those types of players more strategically.”
“Analytics and data analysis aren’t going anywhere. It’s becoming more and more prominent,” Bader said. “The motto in nearly any industry right now, not just sports, is, ‘the more data the better.’.. All the best teams that are winning currently are heavily focused on analytics.”
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This is encouraging.Excerpts from tomorrow's Wpg Free Press article: Strength in Numbers
New Jets bench boss Scott Arniel convening summer coaching camp for staff this week
There are no musical acts performing, no food trucks or mosh pits to be found and no merchandise for sale. For those reasons alone, this particular seasonal gathering doesn’t quite pack the same punch...
One of the primary focal points during the (upcoming Jets coaches') summit will be analytics, which Arniel said ... in May will take on a greater role under his watch.
The move is being applauded by external experts in the field, who believe the Jets have been lagging behind some of their competition when it comes to the so-called fancy stats game.
“It would certainly seem like the Jets haven’t used analytics...to their capacity....compared to teams that are all-in on analytics, like Colorado, Florida and Carolina,” said Byron Bader, the Calgary-born creator of Hockey Prospecting, a data-driven player comparison and drafting tool.
The Colorado Avalanche are credited with using analytics to make adjustments on the fly to bury the Jets in the first round of the playoffs. (Fred Greenslade / The Canadian Press files)
For the second consecutive post-season, Rick Bowness was unable to launch his own counter-punch, and his group was quickly ushered into the golf season.
Bader said some of Winnipeg’s brightest offensive stars and biggest minute-munchers — Mark Scheifele and Kyle Connor up front, and Neal Pionk on the blue line — are some of the biggest culprits..... meaning caution is often needed when it comes to their deployment.
“They have an all-world goalie in...Hellebuyck that can cover up a lot of mistakes,” said Bader. “Teams...more engaged on the analytics side may use those types of players more strategically.”
“Analytics and data analysis aren’t going anywhere. It’s becoming more and more prominent,” Bader said. “The motto in nearly any industry right now, not just sports, is, ‘the more data the better.’.. All the best teams that are winning currently are heavily focused on analytics.”
Sounds like this article echos what many of us have been saying for a long time.
I would be very supportive of a blockbuster trade featuring Connor as one of the big pieces.
I just don’t think we can go very far with his defensive liabilities/lack of effort.
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WolfHouse
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Mind offering your source on the MIttlestadt vs Monahan quote
voyageur
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Post series interview with MacKinnon...he didn't mention Monahan, that's my addition...but seriously where's the evidence...facts in that statement...sounds like a non hockey guy making himself relevant... And I am not against analytics...but xG for sheltered players is a bogus stat..real analytics are stats no fan had access to, we've seen Garret throw out passing efficiency stats. There's possession stats without shots, for sure...I imagine shift lengths are heavily scrutinized in their impact...zone clears...on and on things that are never discussed because they aren't public stats.
WolfHouse
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Mittelstadt was matched up with Scheifele far more than Monahan.... Can you post the line matchups?
scelaton
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I don't know too many people who would say analytics won Colorado the series, but it almost certainly helped them prepare and adjust.
But the more important point is that you keep asking for 'evidence' and 'facts', which is good. That's what everyone wants these days, and is what the article is really saying. In that sense, the data points are just little 'bits' of information, factoids in mathematical form, that teams study to try to extract meaningful evidence. It's just a modern day form of detective work, with lots of noise, but also signals in all the information collected.
If you believe in evidence as an organization, then you need to commit to gathering statistical information, then having experts analyze it, then translating it back simply to the people that need it to make decisions.
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WolfHouse
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When we start the season with
Ehlers-Scheif-Vilardi
then I'll believe in this 'coach's summit'
Ehlers-Scheif-Vilardi
then I'll believe in this 'coach's summit'
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