Winnipeg Jets going into the 24/25 season

[surixon]

Yeah more realistically Lambert, Heinola and Salomonsson will be the most likely to push for a roster spot. Everyone else likely misses out unless they blow the doors off.

I imagine we can get away with going through the growing pains for two young players. I think three is pushing it.

My guess is Lambert and Ville are the likely two for next year if we elect to go that route.

From an integration perspective it makes sense to stagger our kids.

You now have Perfetti and Snerg integrated and looking for bigger roles which opens up the sheltered roles for Lambert and Heinola.

You then reasses next year to see what you have for the next waive of youngsters.

 

[bumblebeeman]

I completely forgot Names was signed for another year. Yeah that means one less spot even is available. So could only be 1 forward spot and that's if Ehlers stays.

What do you / others think of Gus and Kupari? They both seem pretty meh on the 4th line, is there still potential there or are they kind of peeked? Neither of them contribute that much

 

[Daximus]

I imagine we can get away with going through the growing pains for two young players. I think three is pushing it.

My guess is Lambert and Ville are the likely two for next year if we elect to go that route.

From an integration perspective it makes sense to stagger our kids.

You now have Perfetti and Snerg integrated and looking for bigger roles which opens up the sheltered roles for Lambert and Heinola.

You then reasses next year to see what you have for the next waive of youngsters.

Yeah I'm not so sure they integrate more than 2. Unles Salomonsson knocks the doors off in camp perhaps even a half season or 3/4 season stint with the Moose would be good. Get some higher minutes and PK time there and learn the NA game a bit then potentially get a call up to audition later in the season.

What do you / others think of Gus and Kupari? They both seem pretty meh on the 4th line, is there still potential there or are they kind of peeked? Neither of them contribute that much

Both are 24 heading into their 25 year old seasons. They are unlikely to improve to much more to the point where the are suddenly pushing for a top 6 roll but I can see both getting better at the little things and cementing themselves as solid bottom 6ers. As 4th liners they aren't blowing the doors off moreso just kind of there.

 

[voyageur]

What do you / others think of Gus and Kupari? They both seem pretty meh on the 4th line, is there still potential there or are they kind of peeked? Neither of them contribute that much

Gus is still a good penalty killer and he has made strides in faceoffs. Those two things are probably the difference between the NHL and AHL (Toninato). Kupari got injured so it's hard to say how much that affected his play...he was brutal on the PK in his chances and that's where you expected him to be in the lineup. But 1 assist on the season is something that any young player can and did achieve.

I can't see the Jets going into next season with 14 forwards due to the uncertain nature of the Jets defense and lack of ready to play AHL depth (unless Lundmark somehow passes through)...I would expect only one of the two on the roster next year.. but who knows RH shot/faceoff depth is still at a premium here so maybe that is reason enough to give Kupari another go.

 

[DRW204]

i expect 2025-2026 to be a bit more influx of prospects/youth. next year there's just no avail spots right now as they have primarily the same fwd group still under contract.

vilardi and perfetti are on their bridge deals (assuming that's what perfetti signs) and probably be ~10M in 2025. so, probably take advantage of that space prior to their new deals coming in.

basically, i expect the fwd group to be pretty much the same and i expect the Jets to dabble in UFA maybe to help the D group (re-sign demelo, and a low-term LHD).

'25-'26 has 4 Fwds as UFAs (ehlers, names, iafallo, appleton) + connor & lowry with 1 year remaining. 50% of the fwd group has potential to leave between 2025-26 and 2026-27.
1 Dman signed in Morrissey + Samberg as an RFA.

 

[voyageur]

i expect 2025-2026 to be a bit more influx of prospects/youth. next year there's just no avail spots right now as they have primarily the same fwd group still under contract.

vilardi and perfetti are on their bridge deals (assuming that's what perfetti signs) and probably be ~10M in 2025. so, probably take advantage of that space prior to their new deals coming in.

basically, i expect the fwd group to be pretty much the same and i expect the Jets to dabble in UFA maybe to help the D group (re-sign demelo, and a low-term LHD).

'25-'26 has 4 Fwds as UFAs (ehlers, names, iafallo, appleton) + connor & lowry with 1 year remaining. 50% of the fwd group has potential to leave between 2025-26 and 2026-27.
1 Dman signed in Morrissey + Samberg as an RFA.

I feel like Chevy, after signing Scheif and Helly to those long term deals, has to keep fielding a competitive roster for at least the next couple of years at whatever cost. Same with Captain Lowry down to potentially his last couple of years...Like surixon has stated wouldn't be surprised if only Lambert and Heinola make the team out of camp. And those two end up rooming on the road. Everybody after that has to make an impression for callups in all likelihood...I could see the Jets burning Mc Groarty's first ELC season on a playoff run if the opportunity avails...otherwise the vets will be asked to perform like last year and if they fail that's a lot of trade asset capital that can be acquired as the Jets go into rebuild mode.

 

[NA Hockey]

I feel like Chevy, after signing Scheif and Helly to those long term deals, has to keep fielding a competitive roster for at least the next couple of years at whatever cost. Same with Captain Lowry down to potentially his last couple of years...Like surixon has stated wouldn't be surprised if only Lambert and Heinola make the team out of camp. And those two end up rooming on the road. Everybody after that has to make an impression for callups in all likelihood...I could see the Jets burning Mc Groarty's first ELC season on a playoff run if the opportunity avails...otherwise the vets will be asked to perform like last year and if they fail that's a lot of trade asset capital that can be acquired as the Jets go into rebuild mode.

I agree they will try to stay competitive at all costs for the next couple of years. I also think only Heinola and Lambert make the jump this year with McGroarty signing after his season ends at Michigan. He will get a couple of games in at the end of the year to burn year 1 of his ELC.

Fun fact, the bold above. Only players on ELC's share rooms on the road these days. Heinola will not be on his ELC and he gets his own room starting next year. So if Lambert makes the team and is the only player on his ELC , he by default gets his own room on the road.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Gus is still a good penalty killer and he has made strides in faceoffs. Those two things are probably the difference between the NHL and AHL (Toninato). Kupari got injured so it's hard to say how much that affected his play...he was brutal on the PK in his chances and that's where you expected him to be in the lineup. But 1 assist on the season is something that any young player can and did achieve.

I can't see the Jets going into next season with 14 forwards due to the uncertain nature of the Jets defense and lack of ready to play AHL depth (unless Lundmark somehow passes through)...I would expect only one of the two on the roster next year.. but who knows RH shot/faceoff depth is still at a premium here so maybe that is reason enough to give Kupari another go.

Would rather Gus than Lafallo.

 

[DRW204]

I feel like Chevy, after signing Scheif and Helly to those long term deals, has to keep fielding a competitive roster for at least the next couple of years at whatever cost. Same with Captain Lowry down to potentially his last couple of years...Like surixon has stated wouldn't be surprised if only Lambert and Heinola make the team out of camp. And those two end up rooming on the road. Everybody after that has to make an impression for callups in all likelihood...I could see the Jets burning Mc Groarty's first ELC season on a playoff run if the opportunity avails...otherwise the vets will be asked to perform like last year and if they fail that's a lot of trade asset capital that can be acquired as the Jets go into rebuild mode.

yeah for sure, as long as they have hellebuyck they aren't gonna rebuild. which is why i laugh at these prospect-thumpers that think every year all the Jets are going to trade out of their good contributing players to play some over-hyped prospect that they probably have barely ever watched.

 

[ps241]

I feel like Chevy, after signing Scheif and Helly to those long term deals, has to keep fielding a competitive roster for at least the next couple of years at whatever cost. Same with Captain Lowry down to potentially his last couple of years...Like surixon has stated wouldn't be surprised if only Lambert and Heinola make the team out of camp. And those two end up rooming on the road. Everybody after that has to make an impression for callups in all likelihood...I could see the Jets burning Mc Groarty's first ELC season on a playoff run if the opportunity avails...otherwise the vets will be asked to perform like last year and if they fail that's a lot of trade asset capital that can be acquired as the Jets go into rebuild mode.

yeah for sure, as long as they have hellebuyck they aren't gonna rebuild. which is why i laugh at these prospect-thumpers that think every year all the Jets are going to trade out of their good contributing players to play some over-hyped prospect that they probably have barely ever watched.

This organization is clearly in a compete now mode and I think they will be in that state permanently knowing that demand is living below supply and they must win now to entertain.

That being said they are only going to get worse if they lose their life blood of prospects on ELC’s. This club had one legit cup contending season and it only happened because they had a half decade of hitting on 1st round picks plus two long shots and that cluster of cheap labour and affordable young SKILLED players drove this team.

To be blunt as Helle, Scheifele, Connor, Lowry, Morrissey age we need to be drafting their replacements. Without that there will be some far leaner times. I am not talking cup winning, I am discussing playoff calibre teams that can sell more than 12,000 tickets.

If TNSE want to always compete like Boston ( who doesn’t, and I remember when it was Nashville) they need to start drafting more often, and better. It’s about balance and they can’t keep selling draft picks to try to sell tickets today if they want this to be sustainable tomorrow.

Sure prospects get overhyped because they are unproven and provide hope even if the hope is delusional. This in not only a Winnipeg thing on HFBoards…….every fan base suffers from it. Past the misplaced hype of kids that don’t have “it”, quality prospects are still the only viable way for Winnipeg over the long term.

 

[gojetsgo]

This organization is clearly in a compete now mode and I think they will be in that state permanently knowing that demand is living below supply and they must win now to entertain.

That being said they are only going to get worse if they lose their life blood of prospects on ELC’s. This club had one legit cup contending season and it only happened because they had a half decade of hitting on 1st round picks plus two long shots and that cluster of cheap labour and affordable young SKILLED players drove this team.

To be blunt as Helle, Scheifele, Connor, Lowry, Morrissey age we need to be drafting their replacements. Without that there will be some far leaner times. I am not talking cup winning, I am discussing playoff calibre teams that can sell more than 12,000 tickets.

If TNSE want to always compete like Boston ( who doesn’t, and I remember when it was Nashville) they need to start drafting more often, and better. It’s about balance and they can’t keep selling draft picks to try to sell tickets today if they want this to be sustainable tomorrow.

Sure prospects get overhyped because they are unproven and provide hope even if the hope is delusional. This in not only a Winnipeg thing on HFBoards…….every fan base suffers from it. Past the misplaced hype of kids that don’t have “it”, quality prospects are still the only viable way for Winnipeg over the long term.

we literally have to trade draft picks in order to be a competitive team, you can not build a team entirely thru the draft and we have no chance filling our holes in free agency which only leaves trade, we've actually built up a decent prospect pool after a few lean years of draft picks as well

boston has been trading picks away for the past few years and have a weak prospect pool, since 2020 they have picked once in the 1st round and have no 1st 2nd or 3rd round pick in this upcoming draft

we've also drafted 6 times in 1st round of the past 5 drafts

 

[WaveRaven]

It's hard to compare us to Boston as they have huge UFA advantage even though they don't really make big splashes.

What are they good at is finding players that fit their philosophy and style. There not afraid to move away from guys that don't fit. It's that part of Boston's team building I'd like to see us emulate.

 

[DRW204]

This organization is clearly in a compete now mode and I think they will be in that state permanently knowing that demand is living below supply and they must win now to entertain.

That being said they are only going to get worse if they lose their life blood of prospects on ELC’s. This club had one legit cup contending season and it only happened because they had a half decade of hitting on 1st round picks plus two long shots and that cluster of cheap labour and affordable young SKILLED players drove this team.

To be blunt as Helle, Scheifele, Connor, Lowry, Morrissey age we need to be drafting their replacements. Without that there will be some far leaner times. I am not talking cup winning, I am discussing playoff calibre teams that can sell more than 12,000 tickets.

If TNSE want to always compete like Boston ( who doesn’t, and I remember when it was Nashville) they need to start drafting more often, and better. It’s about balance and they can’t keep selling draft picks to try to sell tickets today if they want this to be sustainable tomorrow.

Sure prospects get overhyped because they are unproven and provide hope even if the hope is delusional. This in not only a Winnipeg thing on HFBoards…….every fan base suffers from it. Past the misplaced hype of kids that don’t have “it”, quality prospects are still the only viable way for Winnipeg over the long term.

if the Jets had young players similar to 17-18's laine, ehlers, connor, morrissey, trouba for instance id agree. i've asked a few times to posters who bring up 17-18 or Dallas' younger group (ie: robertson, heiskanen, johnston for instance) who are the Jets' equivalents to come in and produce like those players, and it's *crickets* for a response....actually wait, the common response is "WeLl HoW dO wE kNoW" as if the Jets don't have a clue on their own players.

yes quality prospects matter. who is producing like the 2 examples above (17-18s Jets' group, or Dallas' group)? ppl bring up dallas' group, ok, so who's a ~hart-trophy guy like Robertson? or a top defender like Heiskanen? or 65 pts at 21 like Johnston? you have players like cole perfetti (& this is just an easy example) getting compared every off-season to HOF or near-HOF players by posters, and barely put up 0.5PPG. it's past "misplaced hype" and agree it's now delusion.

 

[ps241]

we literally have to trade draft picks in order to be a competitive team, you can not build a team entirely thru the draft and we have no chance filling our holes in free agency which only leaves trade, we've actually built up a decent prospect pool after a few lean years of draft picks as well

boston has been trading picks away for the past few years and have a weak prospect pool, since 2020 they have picked once in the 1st round and have no 1st 2nd or 3rd round pick in this upcoming draft

we've also drafted 6 times in 1st round of the past 5 drafts

It's hard to compare us to Boston as they have huge UFA advantage even though they don't really make big splashes.

What are they good at is finding players that fit their philosophy and style. There not afraid to move away from guys that don't fit. It's that part of Boston's team building I'd like to see us emulate.

Mark Chipman and TNSE are not in any way shape or form like the Bruins org. Boston does it year in year out by being who they are and not copying other teams, they own the proprietary recipe to their secret sauce.

 

[gojetsgo]

Mark Chipman and TNSE are not in any way shape or form like the Bruins org. Boston does it year in year out by being who they are and not copying other teams, they own the proprietary recipe to their secret sauce.

I'm so confused by this post...

"If TNSE want to always compete like Boston ( who doesn’t, and I remember when it was Nashville) they need to start drafting more often, and better. It’s about balance and they can’t keep selling draft picks to try to sell tickets today if they want this to be sustainable tomorrow."

you claim that if we want to be like boston we need to draft more and better, I point out how many times boston have actually been trading away picks and how we have drafted 6 times in the 1st round since 2019 where they have only draft twice in that time

where did I claim that tnse are like the bruins org? were the smallest market in the nhl with the hardest time attracting free agents, we're not going to be like boston nor can we even follow that template

 

[ps241]

if the Jets had young players similar to 17-18's laine, ehlers, connor, morrissey, trouba for instance id agree. i've asked a few times to posters who bring up 17-18 or Dallas' younger group (ie: robertson, heiskanen, johnston for instance) who are the Jets' equivalents to come in and produce like those players, and it's *crickets* for a response....actually wait, the common response is "WeLl HoW dO wE kNoW" as if the Jets don't have a clue on their own players.

yes quality prospects matter. who is producing like the 2 examples above (17-18s Jets' group, or Dallas' group)? ppl bring up dallas' group, ok, so who's a ~hart-trophy guy like Robertson? or a top defender like Heiskanen? or 65 pts at 21 like Johnston? you have players like cole perfetti (& this is just an easy example) getting compared every off-season to HOF or near-HOF players by posters, and barely put up 0.5PPG. it's past "misplaced hype" and agree it's now delusion.

Just at the theatre with my daughter checking out “IF”

I’ll get back to you on this post.

 

[ps241]

if the Jets had young players similar to 17-18's laine, ehlers, connor, morrissey, trouba for instance id agree. i've asked a few times to posters who bring up 17-18 or Dallas' younger group (ie: robertson, heiskanen, johnston for instance) who are the Jets' equivalents to come in and produce like those players, and it's *crickets* for a response....actually wait, the common response is "WeLl HoW dO wE kNoW" as if the Jets don't have a clue on their own players.

yes quality prospects matter. who is producing like the 2 examples above (17-18s Jets' group, or Dallas' group)? ppl bring up dallas' group, ok, so who's a ~hart-trophy guy like Robertson? or a top defender like Heiskanen? or 65 pts at 21 like Johnston? you have players like cole perfetti (& this is just an easy example) getting compared every off-season to HOF or near-HOF players by posters, and barely put up 0.5PPG. it's past "misplaced hype" and agree it's now delusion.

The Jets moving forward are not going to duplicate either of those scenarios.

The Jets kind of sucked from 2010 to 2016 while they had a sold out building and high customer demand so they were given breathing room. They were usually bottom 3rd of the league level which allowed them to draft in that 8 to 13 range during that era (7, 9, 13, 9, 17, 2) . They did a good job under Comeau and his staff. I don’t see us drafting in that range for a “prolonged” period again for at least 5 to 7 years.

The Stars freak run of drafting is what it is and it only gets discussed because of survivorship bias.

For the Jets they have an existing group of prospects already so there is a bit to work with. Most of the current pool don’t feel to me like they are at the level of the best from 2011-16 guys but there might be some nice support pieces. We still have perhaps 3 to 5 drafts to get a bit lucky. Almost all high end #1 centre’s are drafted in the top 10-15 so it remains to be seen if we get lucky on a year when we take a step back. Outside of that we just have to keep plugging away and land some picks. We don’t have to replace all the guys but we will need to draft a #1 and we will need to hit on a few good D men.

What would you say our current window of being a playoff level team is before our top guys become less effective? Would it be 3-4 years give or take?

This is not a market we are going to attract top free agents and we are cock blocked from so many trades. Given our limitations we will need to eventually replace our prime core of 2011 to 2016 with drafted players in my opinion.

 

[ps241]

I'm so confused by this post...

"If TNSE want to always compete like Boston ( who doesn’t, and I remember when it was Nashville) they need to start drafting more often, and better. It’s about balance and they can’t keep selling draft picks to try to sell tickets today if they want this to be sustainable tomorrow."

you claim that if we want to be like boston we need to draft more and better, I point out how many times boston have actually been trading away picks and how we have drafted 6 times in the 1st round since 2019 where they have only draft twice in that time

where did I claim that tnse are like the bruins org? were the smallest market in the nhl with the hardest time attracting free agents, we're not going to be like boston nor can we even follow that template

We are off to a rough start because your response is confusing to me too?

You didn’t claim they were going to be like Boston

I don’t think they will ever be like Boston

“TNSE HAVE claimed they want to be like Boston” and I think that is delusional.

 

[gojetsgo]

We are off to a rough start because your response is confusing to me too?

You didn’t claim they were going to be like Boston

I don’t think they will ever be like Boston

“TNSE HAVE claimed they want to be like Boston” and I think that is delusional.

where? I have never seen them say they want to be like boston, are you sure they didn't mean they want to be a perennial playoff team like boston?

 

[Daximus]

It's hard to compare us to Boston as they have huge UFA advantage even though they don't really make big splashes.

What are they good at is finding players that fit their philosophy and style. There not afraid to move away from guys that don't fit. It's that part of Boston's team building I'd like to see us emulate.

It's not just a UFA advantage, they are rarely if ever on no trade lists and if a GM asks a player to waive their NTC for Boston it's rarely a straight up no like it usually is for us.

 

[ps241]

where? I have never seen them say they want to be like boston, are you sure they didn't mean they want to be a perennial playoff team like boston?

when I get time I will dig for it. It was during Mark’s damage control/set the record strait tour 2024.

 

[gojetsgo]

when I get time I will dig for it. It was during Mark’s damage control/set the record strait tour 2024.

I found it, it was an article about not wanting to rebuild/teardown and he just used the bruins as an example of a team that didn't rebuild from their core, I don't really take that as tsne saying they want to be like the bruins

 

[ps241]

I found it, it was an article about not wanting to rebuild/teardown and he just used the bruins as an example of a team that didn't rebuild from their core, I don't really take that as tsne saying they want to be like the bruins

As you mentioned Mark was saying you don’t need to take a step back, rebuilds aren’t necessary you just keep rolling with the Core like the Bruins did/do. That is all well and good but if you want to remain competitive yearly like the Bruins over 15 seasons you need to continue to replenish key core assets along the way. Mark forget to mention that the Bruins have one player remaining from the cup team he was referring to and that is Marchand. Everyone else is new.

In Winnipeg to follow a sustainable path like Boston did the Jets older core has to pass the torch at some point and that will take new dynamic players. In a market like Winnipeg where it is hard to attract top free agents, and is also on many no trade lists, we are even more dependent on draft picks to add to the core.

I am at peace with Mark wanting to compete now, we’ll see how sustainable this is as Scheif, Helle, Connor, Josh, and Adam move into their 30’s. Either way we should be fine in the near term.

 

[gojetsgo]

As you mentioned Mark was saying you don’t need to take a step back, rebuilds aren’t necessary you just keep rolling with the Core like the Bruins did/do. That is all well and good but if you want to remain competitive yearly like the Bruins over 15 seasons you need to continue to replenish key core assets along the way. Mark forget to mention that the Bruins have one player remaining from the cup team he was referring to and that is Marchand. Everyone else is new.

In Winnipeg to follow a sustainable path like Boston did the Jets older core has to pass the torch at some point and that will take new dynamic players. In a market like Winnipeg where it is hard to attract top free agents, and is also on many no trade lists, we are even more dependent on draft picks to add to the core.

I am at peace with Mark wanting to compete now, we’ll see how sustainable this is as Scheif, Helle, Connor, Josh, and Adam move into their 30’s. Either way we should be fine in the near term.

it's a very tough situation, we are more dependent on the draft and unless we get extremely lucky and hit on more prospects then the average team we will have holes to fix that can't be done thru free agency and forcing us to go the trade route if we want to be competitive, it's about finding the right balance of picks we can give up while not totally destroying our prospect pool

 

[TS Quint]

We need what happened in Dallas to happen here. We need our kids like Cole, Brad, Rutger etc to develop into players that can push the Mark's, Kyle's down the lineup.

If that happens I think we can start competing again in the playoffs. But I agree this core has largely aged out of driving a deep run other then JoMo and Helle.

But I doubt management has come to that conclusion. They will likely spend money to bring back Monohan and gp the experience route to make the playoffs again.

Push the 40 goal scorer down the line up? What are we even taking about here? Get realistic. Kyle Connor isn't the problem with this team. I guess a man can dream but until the Jets pick in the top 3 again this isn't going to happen.