Winnipeg Jets going into the 24/25 season

[Heldig]

I always thought the PP2 was a choice more so than anything. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Maurice mentioned that he preferred playing on PP2 where he could be the go to guy rather than being on PP1 but I could be wrong there.

I struggle with moving Connor because he can produce well in the playoffs and if we can ever get him away from Scheif then he's likely one of our better producers there. Unless the return is a top 6 C that is comparable than we probably shouldn't do it.

Also lets do the same exercise we have been doing here but for the playoffs over the same time span.

Moving KC is far from easy but he would definitely merit a better return. It also might be the only way we can separate the KC - Scheifele pairing.

 

[Buffdog]

Ah, okay - it's a strange way to look at things. I just don't have any frame reference for this stat. You could probably look at any player's 5v5 goal diff and find it amounts to a small number in terms of +/- goals per game.

Also, Ehlers is +84 at 5v5 over the last 5 years and 18,000 minutes. So that would be about +1 goal more for than against every 4.5 games (assuming an average of 48 5v5 minutes per game).

Take the Bruins - the top 5v5 goaldiff (+152 over the past 3 years/12000 minutes) - that only works out to about 1 goal every 1.64 games. So for an individual being on the ice for 1 every 4.5 games...that seems pretty good.

Here are the Top 20 5v5 goal differentials over the last 3seasons:

Matthew Tkachuk	111
Auston Matthews	94
Nathan MacKinnon	88
Gustav Forsling	80
Devon Toews	80
David Pastrnak	79
Matt Grzelcyk	78
Jason Robertson	75
Mikko Rantanen	73
Mattias Ekholm	72
Charlie McAvoy	69
Connor McDavid	69
Mitchell Marner	68
Quinn Hughes	66
Carter Verhaeghe	65
Cale Makar	64
Aleksander Barkov	63
Joe Pavelski	62
Roope Hintz	58
Nikolaj Ehlers	56

20th on this list also seems pretty good.

I'm not saying that his results aren't good, or that he's not good. I'm just saying that his importance is being overstated.

Hockey (and most sports) are strange in that even though teams play for 60 minutes (or 90 in soccer), for the vast amount of that time nothing that impacts the scoreboard is happening. Plays that lead to goals only take seconds to develop, and in most games there are 4 or 5 goals total. The rest of that time, is mostly forgettable

What you're doing is focusing on the rare moments in Ehlers games where something happens that leads to a goal for or against. I'm just trying to show the perspective than most games, and almost every shift, nothing good or bad happens with him on the ice that ends up on the scoreboard

 

[Gm0ney]

Are we comparing the competition Ehlers sees compared to, for example, Scheifele?

The biggest difference is that Scheifele generally gets the best linemates. Their competition is pretty similar, but Scheifele faces slightly tougher comps.

Competition is the bars on the right. The red zig-zag line is the average if coaches didn't care about deployment (e.g. if you're on the ice for 10 minutes in a game, you'd be on the ice against the #1F for 4 minutes, and the #12 forward for 1 minute) Ehlers plays a little less than you'd expect (the red zig-zagging line) vs opposition #1F and #3F, about what you'd expect against #2F and #4F and more than you'd expect vs #5-#9.

Teammates bars are on the left. Red bars are Ehlers own icetime. So you can see he's primarily deployed as the #4-#6 F in terms of TOI. The total length of the blue+red is his TOI with that ranked player. So he's most commonly out there a lot with the 4th F in TOI but plays all over the Top 9 and hardly ever in the bottom 3. Gets a bit more time with Morrissey but plays pretty close to average with all the defenders.

Scheifele: Overwhelmingly deployed as the #1F, plays most of his time on Line 1. A bit on line 2. Hardly ever below. Sees a bit more #1F and #2F comps than Ehlers, but pretty close to the average competition you'd expect.

On D, Scheifele gets more time with Morrissey, less time with the bottom 3 and sees slightly more Top pair competition and less bottom pair competition than Ehlers.

Check out Lowry if you want to see a player regularly deployed against tough competition. You can see he's deployed at #1F as often as #7F (piling up minutes defending close leads late, I believe). But mostly he plays #4-#6 in TOI. And he's out there a lot against opposition F #1-4.

Here's what a sheltered 4th line F looks like - AJF. Most of his time is vs other team's 4th lines. Heavily sheltered from playing against Top 6, and especially Top 3 competition.

Charts are all from HockeyViz: https://hockeyviz.com/

 

[Daximus]

Moving KC is far from easy but he would definitely merit a better return. It also might be the only way we can separate the KC - Scheifele pairing.

Moving KC is probably a lot easier honestly and likely would get a much better return but I think it makes us a much worse team overall. Do we need to pair him with a better C? Absolutely. Would he net that better C? Unlikely. Losing Ehlers makes us a worse team as well but I think its more easier to digest because KC provides a lot more goals whereas Ehlers is more of a possession player. A really good one but also one that doesn't really provide as much as he probably should based on what he does.

We are in an interesting spot because we just resigned our only true top 6 C and our franchise goalie to long term extensions which will finish out their careers here. Scheif is likely already starting to slip to 2C territory but Helle is probably going to be a solid keeper well into his mid 30's and possibly even later. And our only true top pairing defencemen is also signed to decent term.

We have three really solid pieces signed long term but we need to be able to get the talent to surround them. We have a bunch of interesting young pieces like Lambert, Barlow, McGroarty, Heinola, Salomonsson, Chibrikov and Lucius who could potentially come in and contribute to that over the coming years but we are really short on some important positions.

We need another top 6 C and likely one that will push Scheif down to 2C. We need another top pairing defencemen, preferably right handed but we could make two strong pairings if a lefty emerges. If we get those then we can be a contender I think but that's a tall ask and one that isn't likely unless some of our prospects really blossom over the next year or two. It's happened to other teams before so I can see it happening to us but I'm not counting on it,

So in the meantime we need to roll with the punches. If Ehlers camp leaked this no extension info out, and I believe they did because officially we cannot discuss an extension with Nik until July 1st, then we should act accordingly and make our move. It's more palatable to me because he just continously no shows in the playoffs more so than any other player on the roster really and it's getting tiring watching an elite player become sub replacement level the moment the playoffs start year after year. I think we just wait until July 1st, feel out some offers, see if he's willing to sign elsewhere and if so we make the move. Bonus points if we can turn him into another top 6 F or top 4 D if not then there is nothing wrong with a draft and develop team turning an expiring asset into futures. Especially since we have moved out a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd over the coming two drafts, something that is pivotal to keeping the carousel spinning.

 

[ps241]

We are not a player or two away from becoming a playoff team. This perennial problem is obviously bigger than that. I think that is hard to come to grips with which is why it’s easy to scapegoat. It allows us to think that we may only be a few moves away here and then……. who knows?

Our team as a whole did not defend against Colorado. That was by far the biggest problem before we get to how individuals performed. As a collective group they did not execute their regular season system effectively. If this playoff sweep after our typical first game win was an aberration that would be different but it’s not. Despite a tidy regular season this playoff collapse is exactly who we are. This core is not built for playoff hockey.

IMO how well we draft, and how lucky we get drafting will determine our fait in the future for better or worse.

Going into the 2024-25 season I expect Chevy to do everything in his power to compete for a playoff spot now. I liked Chevy’s off season last year and it led to an enjoyable regular season.

 

[Gm0ney]

I'm not saying that his results aren't good, or that he's not good. I'm just saying that his importance is being overstated.

Hockey (and most sports) are strange in that even though teams play for 60 minutes (or 90 in soccer), for the vast amount of that time nothing that impacts the scoreboard is happening. Plays that lead to goals only take seconds to develop, and in most games there are 4 or 5 goals total. The rest of that time, is mostly forgettable

What you're doing is focusing on the rare moments in Ehlers games where something happens that leads to a goal for or against. I'm just trying to show the perspective than most games, and almost every shift, nothing good or bad happens with him on the ice that ends up on the scoreboard

It's funny that some folks are arguing that Ehlers is one of the key reasons the Jets don't do well in the playoffs, but you're over here saying that one player doesn't matter that much...

Yes, hockey is a team sport. Even the best player in the world can't single-handedly lift a crap team (except for a consistent, elite goalie - but goalies play the full 60 minutes and have the single most important job as an individual on the ice). McDavid alone can't drag the Oilers anywhere...he can't play 60 minutes.

That being said, losing your best 5v5 forward is probably going to hurt the team.

 

[surixon]

We are not a player or two away from becoming a playoff team. This perennial problem is obviously bigger than that. I think that is hard to come to grips with which is why it’s easy to scapegoat. It allows us to think that we may only be a few moves away here and then……. who knows?

Our team as a whole did not defend against Colorado. That was by far the biggest problem before we get to how individuals performed. As a collective group they did not execute their regular season system effectively. If this playoff sweep after our typical first game win was an aberration that would be different but it’s not. Despite a tidy regular season this playoff collapse is exactly who we are. This core is not built for playoff hockey.

IMO how well we draft, and how lucky we get drafting will determine our fait in the future for better or worse.

Going into the 2024-25 season I expect Chevy to do everything in his power to compete for a playoff spot now. I liked Chevy’s off season last year and it led to an enjoyable regular season.

We need what happened in Dallas to happen here. We need our kids like Cole, Brad, Rutger etc to develop into players that can push the Mark's, Kyle's down the lineup.

If that happens I think we can start competing again in the playoffs. But I agree this core has largely aged out of driving a deep run other then JoMo and Helle.

But I doubt management has come to that conclusion. They will likely spend money to bring back Monohan and gp the experience route to make the playoffs again.

 

[Daximus]

We are not a player or two away from becoming a playoff team. This perennial problem is obviously bigger than that. I think that is hard to come to grips with which is why it’s easy to scapegoat. It allows us to think that we may only be a few moves away here and then……. who knows?

Our team as a whole did not defend against Colorado. That was by far the biggest problem before we get to how individuals performed. As a collective group they did not execute their regular season system effectively. If this playoff sweep after our typical first game win was an aberration that would be different but it’s not. Despite a tidy regular season this playoff collapse is exactly who we are. This core is not built for playoff hockey.

IMO how well we draft, and how lucky we get drafting will determine our fait in the future for better or worse.

Going into the 2024-25 season I expect Chevy to do everything in his power to compete for a playoff spot now. I liked Chevy’s off season last year and it led to an enjoyable regular season.

Depends on what the players are honestly. Despite it being tough. Having a legit 1C to push Scheif down to 2C and a legit top pairing defender to put with Morrissey or to create two solid pairings would be pretty huge for this team.

Adding something like Aho and Dobson to this team completely changes how the team is constructed. I realize that it's incredibly unlikely we get players of that calibre but it's what we need.

 

[Buffdog]

It's funny that some folks are arguing that Ehlers is one of the key reasons the Jets don't do well in the playoffs, but you're over here saying that one player doesn't matter that much...

Yes, hockey is a team sport. Even the best player in the world can't single-handedly lift a crap team (except for a consistent, elite goalie - but goalies play the full 60 minutes and have the single most important job as an individual on the ice). McDavid alone can't drag the Oilers anywhere...he can't play 60 minutes.

That being said, losing your best 5v5 forward is probably going to hurt the team.

Goalies, quarterbacks and pitchers have the most significant roles in team sports (IMHO). A bad day by one of those guys and it could be really tough to win.

If you're second line winger is struggling, it's a lot less likely to have a catastrophic effect on the outcome of the game (although it could).

Conversely, if your goalie is 100% dialed in, that's more likely to create a positive outcome than if your second line winger is. It's possible that his amazing play will have zero influence on the scoresheet

Again, I've never said that losing Ehlers is a good thing (although it could be, depending on the return and how it impacts the team now and in the future). I also never said that it wouldn't hurt the team (although, same point about the return).

My posts were just to give some perspective about posters who say it will cripple us and send us "back to the dark ages" becauee he's "unquestionably our best forward". For the record, I don't think you were one of them. You've just said that it will hurt and he'll be difficult to replace, which are both true.

 

[LowLefty]

We need what happened in Dallas to happen here. We need our kids like Cole, Brad, Rutger etc to develop into players that can push the Mark's, Kyle's down the lineup.

If that happens I think we can start competing again in the playoffs. But I agree this core has largely aged out of driving a deep run other then JoMo and Helle.

But I doubt management has come to that conclusion. They will likely spend money to bring back Monohan and gp the experience route to make the playoffs again.

What conclusion are you referring to?
The org will always want a PO spot - but I'd assume the will also provide opportunity for the young talent to play a part.
You can't expect the players you mentioned, ,to step in now and then become a contender - that's a bit ambitious IMO.
Management has come to the conclusion that they will ice the best team possible and make a run for the PO's - nothing wrong with that.
And if our youth are good enough to make us better, they should expect to be a part of the process.
I like the look of our prospect pool now - it's better than it has been for years - so there's really no reason to assume we will not make room for these guys when they are ready.
Who in this group of players you listed, is ready to push 55/81 down the lineup? Or are you assuming they won't get push down at some point in the future based on how our poor prospect pool has been managed in the past?
Cole saw second line minutes LY (when he played well enough to warrant them) - what more would you expect?

 

[surixon]

What conclusion are you referring to?
The org will always want a PO spot - but I'd assume the will also provide opportunity for the young talent to play a part.
You can't expect the players you mentioned, ,to step in now and then become a contender - that's a bit ambitious IMO.
Management has come to the conclusion that they will ice the best team possible and make a run for the PO's - nothing wrong with that.
And if our youth are good enough to make us better, they should expect to be a part of the process.
I like the look of our prospect pool now - it's better than it has been for years - so there's really no reason to assume we will not make room for these guys when they are ready.
Who in this group of players you listed, is ready to push 55/81 down the lineup? Or are you assuming they won't get push down at some point in the future based on how our poor prospect pool has been managed in the past?
Cole saw second line minutes LY (when he played well enough to warrant them) - what more would you expect?

I'm talking about over the next few years not next year specifically. They clearly will have to run most of it back. But I imagine Chevy will try to plug the holes with more vets this summer instead of opening up some spots.

 

[Daximus]

I'm talking about over the next few years not next year specifically. They clearly will have to run most of it back. But I imagine Chevy will try to plug the holes with more vets this summer instead of opening up some spots.

I think a good chunk of the kids could put up a decent competition for some spots. I just hope if they look ready they don't get the waivers exempt treatment.

 

[surixon]

I think a good chunk of the kids could put up a decent competition for some spots. I just hope if they look ready they don't get the waivers exempt treatment.

Oh I agree but past behavior has me doubtful that they intend to do so. I feel that if the org was willing to open spots to win for kids we would have seen McGroarty sign.

 

[Daximus]

Oh I agree but past behavior has me doubtful that they intend to do so. I feel that if the org was willing to open spots to win for kids we would have seen McGroarty sign.

Yeah that one is a bit rough but perhaps McGroarty and Rashevsky spending another year in their respective leagues then coming in next year we can anticipate a lot of competition for spots.

Come 25/26 we have only Scheif, Connor, Nino, Lowry and Morrissey signed for skaters. I imagine Vilardi, Barron, Kupari, Samberg will still be here.

Then we have Lambert, Chibrikov, Barlow, Lucius, Salomonsson, Heinola, Lundmark pushing for spots as well as likely McGroarty and Rashevsky.

We could very well be looking at 25/26 as a big year for roster turnover if the Jets decide to let it happen. But I suspect this coming year will be another run it back year, maybe move Ehlers and possibly have a couple roster spots open for business in case some young guys impress.

 

[ps241]

Depends on what the players are honestly. Despite it being tough. Having a legit 1C to push Scheif down to 2C and a legit top pairing defender to put with Morrissey or to create two solid pairings would be pretty huge for this team.

Adding something like Aho and Dobson to this team completely changes how the team is constructed. I realize that it's incredibly unlikely we get players of that calibre but it's what we need.

The two players you are referring to are #1 franchise D man and #1 franchise centre. The cool think about them is they were drafted at about #12 Dobson and Aho was a second rounder.

They aren’t players you are able to trade for but they are exhibit A and B of players reachable in the draft with mild luck.

 

[Daximus]

The two players you are referring to are #1 franchise D man and #1 franchise centre. The cool think about them is they were drafted at about #12 Dobson and Aho was a second rounder.

They aren’t players you are able to trade for but they are exhibit A and B of players reachable in the draft with mild luck.

Absolutely! We could already have some of those players in the system. I'm not banking on it, but it's possible that someone in our prospect pool can take a big step forward if given the opportunity.

By all accounts Salomonssen was a rock for Skelleftea in the SHL and Lambert looked pretty solid in his first full AHL season. Do I expect that they instantly come in and play as well as Aho and Dobson? Absolutely not. But there is some possibility that they can push for spots and make us better pretty quickly if they get the chance.

I'm pretty excited for next years camp to see where everyone is. It's a shame we have to wait one more season for McG and Rash but I think they come in a lot more ready than we think.

 

[surixon]

Yeah that one is a bit rough but perhaps McGroarty and Rashevsky spending another year in their respective leagues then coming in next year we can anticipate a lot of competition for spots.

Come 25/26 we have only Scheif, Connor, Nino, Lowry and Morrissey signed for skaters. I imagine Vilardi, Barron, Kupari, Samberg will still be here.

Then we have Lambert, Chibrikov, Barlow, Lucius, Salomonsson, Heinola, Lundmark pushing for spots as well as likely McGroarty and Rashevsky.

We could very well be looking at 25/26 as a big year for roster turnover if the Jets decide to let it happen. But I suspect this coming year will be another run it back year, maybe move Ehlers and possibly have a couple roster spots open for business in case some young guys impress.

Yeah, I've always pegged that year for when a bunch of the kids would be integrated. It's also not a bad year to potentially step back with McKenna being the prize.

 

[LowLefty]

I'm talking about over the next few years not next year specifically. They clearly will have to run most of it back. But I imagine Chevy will try to plug the holes with more vets this summer instead of opening up some spots.

I wouldn't assume that -
We've had to plug holes in the past due to our weak youth pool -
It's better now than it has been -

You can predict what Chevy might do based on circumstances that are not the same - but I wouldn't.
As for the timing, I hope that our prospects can slide into the lineup ASAP - but I will assume it will be based on talent and development.

 

[Daximus]

I wouldn't assume that -
We've had to plug holes in the past due to our weak youth pool -
It's better now than it has been -

You can predict what Chevy might do based on circumstances that are not the same - but I wouldn't.
As for the timing, I hope that our prospects can slide into the lineup ASAP - but I will assume it will be based on talent and development.

Chevy generally likes to hedge is bets with young guns even if they look ready. He's always going to bring in some vets on short term cheap deals that he can send down if need be to round out the roster and make the young guys beat them out for a spot. I'd imagine this offseason will be no different. If they beat out the vet then so be it, if they don't then we have a warm body to fill the spot. What its going to come down to is Arniel and how he feels about them. Chevy can give him the roster but Arniel gets to decide who plays what and where.

Lambert looks pretty close to ready to make the jump into a sheltered middle 6 roll, Salomonsson is a bit of a wildcard but the SHL and AHL aren't to far apart so he could very well be ready for a bottom 4 roll, perhaps with Samberg on 3rd pairing but no issues giving him some A time to start and get aclimated and maybe mid/late season call up. Heinola should hopefully be determined more than ever to make the roster and come in with a fire under his butt to really push for a spot. Chibrikov is right on the precipice and who knows by camp he could be pushing for a spot as well.

Barlow probably needs some AHL time but by all accounts looked solid in the little time he played, a full year in the A could do him well. Lucius has the talent to be a solid player but just needs to get his health on track. Levis and Julien will both likely be signed this summer and join the Moose for a full year. DiVincentiis will be given plenty of AHL starts behind Milic as well.

Lots of players to look forward too. It's just a shame we only have a 2nd rounder so far this year. Turning Ehlers into a first+ could be really big for the future I think if we can't find a hockey trade there.

Yeah, I've always pegged that year for when a bunch of the kids would be integrated. It's also not a bad year to potentially step back with McKenna being the prize.

Getting a player of McKenna's calibre would be huge. It's a shame we always seem to be in the playoff picture when the big name guys are coming through (MacK, Makar, Bedard, Celebrini) landing a player like that could completely change our outlook.

 

[voyageur]

Yeah that one is a bit rough but perhaps McGroarty and Rashevsky spending another year in their respective leagues then coming in next year we can anticipate a lot of competition for spots.

Come 25/26 we have only Scheif, Connor, Nino, Lowry and Morrissey signed for skaters. I imagine Vilardi, Barron, Kupari, Samberg will still be here.

Then we have Lambert, Chibrikov, Barlow, Lucius, Salomonsson, Heinola, Lundmark pushing for spots as well as likely McGroarty and Rashevsky.

We could very well be looking at 25/26 as a big year for roster turnover if the Jets decide to let it happen. But I suspect this coming year will be another run it back year, maybe move Ehlers and possibly have a couple roster spots open for business in case some young guys impress.

If the Jets want to re-sign De Melo and Monahan the numbers are easily $10 million for both, maybe even $11 or $12, if the market pushes high on them. Then re-sign Perfetti...so realistically somebody has to go. Pionk doesn't have a replacement yet, somebody actually has to grind out top 4 minutes against top competition night in night out for that to happen. Schmidt seems like an immovable contract, buyout is possible.

Ehlers has the most value for the least amount of term remaining so that's the Chevy trade special.

Let's see what he pulls off this offseason...losing Dubois probably helped this team stay together...losing Ehlers I don't think will hurt as bad as some claim...would be something if a 19 year old Barlow came into to replace a guy who started that young here...

But to me the Ehlers trade is going to be an indication of where the Jets stand in the negotiations with De Melo and Monahan, as the draft precedes the negotiating window for those 2 with other teams...Filling those holes would be harder than replacing a primarily 2nd line winger. And Chevy only has one chip on the table as far as we know.

I'd be surprised if Kupari is back...Arniel ran the PK and the Jets actually brought AJF up before putting Kupari in a playoff game.

I think Parker Ford is Appleton's replacement. Might see him before any other prospects get the call. Though Lambert is probably prospect #1 going into the offseason.

 

[Daximus]

If the Jets want to re-sign De Melo and Monahan the numbers are easily $10 million for both, maybe even $11 or $12, if the market pushes high on them. Then re-sign Perfetti...so realistically somebody has to go. Pionk doesn't have a replacement yet, somebody actually has to grind out top 4 minutes against top competition night in night out for that to happen. Schmidt seems like an immovable contract, buyout is possible.

Ehlers has the most value for the least amount of term remaining so that's the Chevy trade special.

Let's see what he pulls off this offseason...losing Dubois probably helped this team stay together...losing Ehlers I don't think will hurt as bad as some claim...would be something if a 19 year old Barlow came into to replace a guy who started that young here...

But to me the Ehlers trade is going to be an indication of where the Jets stand in the negotiations with De Melo and Monahan, as the draft precedes the negotiating window for those 2 with other teams...Filling those holes would be harder than replacing a primarily 2nd line winger. And Chevy only has one chip on the table as far as we know.

I think signing DeMelo is a must as we need someone who can play with Morrissey until we develop someone to take on that roll. I really don't want us to commit to Monahan, He'd just be a roadblock to anyone to come in but I do realize the Jets really want someone to fill in on 2C until we develop someone. Trouble is we can't develop someone with Monahan at 2C.

My biggest wishful thinking exercise is that Lambert, Chibrikov, Heinola and Salomonsson are all ready to step into spots next year and Perfetti takes on a bigger roll and can stick at 2C. MASSIVE wishful thinking on my end and I seriously doubt the Jets funnel in that many new guys next year but would be big.

Connor - Scheif - Vilardi (this is likely the top line no matter what happens)
Nino - Perfetti - Lambert
Iafallo - Lowry - Apples
Barron - Gus - Chibrikov
Kupari/AJF

Morrissey - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Heinola - Salomonsson
Lundmark

Would be nice but I'm not banking on it. A man can dream though,

More likely that we sign some vets to fill in at top 6 C, bottom 4 LHD and possibly even middle 6 RW if Ehlers is moved for futures.

 

[voyageur]

I think signing DeMelo is a must as we need someone who can play with Morrissey until we develop someone to take on that roll. I really don't want us to commit to Monahan, He'd just be a roadblock to anyone to come in but I do realize the Jets really want someone to fill in on 2C until we develop someone. Trouble is we can't develop someone with Monahan at 2C.

My biggest wishful thinking exercise is that Lambert, Chibrikov, Heinola and Salomonsson are all ready to step into spots next year and Perfetti takes on a bigger roll and can stick at 2C. MASSIVE wishful thinking on my end and I seriously doubt the Jets funnel in that many new guys next year but would be big.

Connor - Scheif - Vilardi (this is likely the top line no matter what happens)
Nino - Perfetti - Lambert
Iafallo - Lowry - Apples
Barron - Gus - Chibrikov
Kupari/AJF

Morrissey - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Heinola - Salomonsson
Lundmark

Would be nice but I'm not banking on it. A man can dream though,

More likely that we sign some vets to fill in at top 6 C, bottom 4 LHD and possibly even middle 6 RW if Ehlers is moved for futures.

I think Namestnikov is in there somewhere...

Salomonsson will be interesting...everything tells me that a player transitioning from Europe to N.A needs time to adjust...Get 1st unit reps on special teams at the development level, but you never know how bad a player wants to get to the Show...100% the excitement of this team will come from a youth push...but your veteran core always wants to win, and rookies are not usually the catalysts in that regard, so it's a fine line..

I feel like 2025's team will likely be the biggest overhaul, and so much hinges on next season's performance.

 

[Daximus]

I think Namestnikov is in there somewhere...

Salomonsson will be interesting...everything tells me that a player transitioning from Europe to N.A needs time to adjust...Get 1st unit reps on special teams at the development level, but you never know how bad a player wants to get to the Show...100% the excitement of this team will come from a youth push...but your veteran core always wants to win, and rookies are not usually the catalysts in that regard, so it's a fine line..

I feel like 2025's team will likely be the biggest overhaul, and so much hinges on next season's performance.

I completely forgot Names was signed for another year. Yeah that means one less spot even is available. So could only be 1 forward spot and that's if Ehlers stays.

 

[surixon]

I think signing DeMelo is a must as we need someone who can play with Morrissey until we develop someone to take on that roll. I really don't want us to commit to Monahan, He'd just be a roadblock to anyone to come in but I do realize the Jets really want someone to fill in on 2C until we develop someone. Trouble is we can't develop someone with Monahan at 2C.

My biggest wishful thinking exercise is that Lambert, Chibrikov, Heinola and Salomonsson are all ready to step into spots next year and Perfetti takes on a bigger roll and can stick at 2C. MASSIVE wishful thinking on my end and I seriously doubt the Jets funnel in that many new guys next year but would be big.

Connor - Scheif - Vilardi (this is likely the top line no matter what happens)
Nino - Perfetti - Lambert
Iafallo - Lowry - Apples
Barron - Gus - Chibrikov
Kupari/AJF

Morrissey - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Heinola - Salomonsson
Lundmark

Would be nice but I'm not banking on it. A man can dream though,

More likely that we sign some vets to fill in at top 6 C, bottom 4 LHD and possibly even middle 6 RW if Ehlers is moved for futures.

Would love to see it but not banking on it.

 

[Daximus]

Would love to see it but not banking on it.

Yeah more realistically Lambert, Heinola and Salomonsson will be the most likely to push for a roster spot. Everyone else likely misses out unless they blow the doors off.