Winnipeg Jets going into the 24/25 season

[Jets 31]

Well I suppose the same kinds of questions would have been asked of Boston who won 65 games last year and were unceremoniously dumped in round 1.

Yes i would agree.

 

[Orrrules]

Ehlers needs to be traded to send a message to the rest of the group and to change the core, if for nothing else.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You're starting to sound like the Finns WRT Laine lol

Not everyone can play on the top line. To have a balanced team, you need someone to drive the second line

Since Schief also gets better results with Ehlers, I wonder why there are no threads about him not getting "optimal usage"? It certainly didn't drive HIM to ask for a trade

Maybe Ehlers hates playing with Schief? Has anyone considered that? It always seems to be assumed that it's the other way around

Haha! I don't agree .... but you have a point.

KC also scores better away from Scheif, boosting the 2nd line. So all 3 concerned do better used differently. They should all be demanding trades.

 

[cbcwpg]

Scoring winger Tyler Toffoli is planning to hit the market as an unrestricted free agent July 1, according to TFP’s David Pagnotta.

On Thursday, Pagnotta reported Toffoli will be moving on from the Winnipeg Jets after joining the club prior to the trade deadline from the New Jersey Devils.

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The trade was:

2024 3rd round pick (WPG - #91)
2025 2nd round pick (WPG)

Two draft picks for a 23 game rental.

 

[WaveRaven]

In hindsight it was a total mistake.

 

[surixon]

Scoring winger Tyler Toffoli is planning to hit the market as an unrestricted free agent July 1, according to TFP’s David Pagnotta.

On Thursday, Pagnotta reported Toffoli will be moving on from the Winnipeg Jets after joining the club prior to the trade deadline from the New Jersey Devils.

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The trade was:

2024 3rd round pick (WPG - #91)
2025 2nd round pick (WPG)

Two draft picks for a 23 game rental.

It was a dumb decision at the time and looks worse now.

But I'm glad this is confirmation he isn't coming back. We need less one dimensional floaters in our top 6.

 

[kylbaz]

Scoring winger Tyler Toffoli is planning to hit the market as an unrestricted free agent July 1, according to TFP’s David Pagnotta.

On Thursday, Pagnotta reported Toffoli will be moving on from the Winnipeg Jets after joining the club prior to the trade deadline from the New Jersey Devils.

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The trade was:

2024 3rd round pick (WPG - #91)
2025 2nd round pick (WPG)

Two draft picks for a 23 game rental.

Yes, that's how rentals work. A second round pick that more than likely turns into nothing, and a third round pick that even more likely turns into nothing for a guy who put up 33 goals and would have had the second most goals on the team if he was on the team for the year.

It didn't work out but adding a 30+ goal scorer for the playoffs for cheap is a no brainer.

Hindsight he was terrible. But every analyst and team fan was jealous of the move and how cheap it was.

 

[Buffdog]

It was a dumb decision at the time and looks worse now.

But I'm glad this is confirmation he isn't coming back. We need less one dimensional floaters in our top 6.

Why is it worse now?

The other option was overpaying a 30-something rear old winger just to say we kept him after giving up a couple of picks?

With his age and the way he skates, moving on from him and cutting our losses is a good thing, not a bad one

 

[surixon]

Why is it worse now?

The other option was overpaying a 30-something rear old winger just to say we kept him after giving up a couple of picks?

With his age and the way he skates, moving on from him and cutting our losses is a good thing, not a bad one

It's worse now because he busted hard in the playoffs, but I guess I didn't word my post that well.

 

[Orrrules]

Toffoli is old and slow, what excuse do the rest of the Jets have.

 

[JetsFan815]

Ehlers needs to be traded to send a message to the rest of the group and to change the core, if for nothing else.

What message might that be? Please don't even bother making the playoffs next season?

 

[Maukkis]

Ehlers needs to be traded to send a message to the rest of the group and to change the core, if for nothing else.

You trade Ehlers, and then what? You'll have Connor and Scheifele continue playing 20 a night, which doesn't work. You'll have the Lowry line intact, which does well but doesn't produce offense. You literally don't have a second line - it's going to be worse without Ehlers. The fourth line doesn't contribute with or without Nik. What's the message?

If Ehlers is lost, whether it be via a trade or to UFA, the team's biggest need immediately becomes another Ehlers to replace his ability to keep the top 6 even remotely competitive. And just like the stud RHD that everyone wants to get in an Ehlers trade, nobody will be trading those to us.

 

[ps241]

Yes, that's how rentals work. A second round pick that more than likely turns into nothing, and a third round pick that even more likely turns into nothing for a guy who put up 33 goals and would have had the second most goals on the team if he was on the team for the year.

It didn't work out but adding a 30+ goal scorer for the playoffs for cheap is a no brainer.

Hindsight he was terrible. But every analyst and team fan was jealous of the move and how cheap it was.

“I’m not so sure I agree 100% with your police work there Lou” -Margie from Fargo.

2nd and 3rd round picks are critical assets for an organization like Winnipeg.

 

[Weezeric]

You trade Ehlers, and then what? You'll have Connor and Scheifele continue playing 20 a night, which doesn't work. You'll have the Lowry line intact, which does well but doesn't produce offense. You literally don't have a second line - it's going to be worse without Ehlers. The fourth line doesn't contribute with or without Nik. What's the message?

If Ehlers is lost, whether it be via a trade or to UFA, the team's biggest need immediately becomes another Ehlers to replace his ability to keep the top 6 even remotely competitive. And just like the stud RHD that everyone wants to get in an Ehlers trade, nobody will be trading those to us.

It’s amazing that a team with a first line that doesn’t work, a third line that doesn’t score, and no second line was top 5 in the league….

 

[Maukkis]

It’s amazing that a team with a first line that doesn’t work, a third line that doesn’t score, and no second line was top 5 in the league….

That top 5 team had Ehlers on it. Stuff works quite often with him on the ice. Without him, not so much. Fortunately, we had him on our second line last year, which I wasn't talking about - you'd have understood that, if you had taken the time to read what was posted.

Also, Hellebuyck and Brossoit outperformed their combined xGA by a whopping 46 goals last year. With a top 3 goalie on payroll, we're probably going to outperform again next year, but I'd be cautious about projecting similar goaltending results into next season.

 

[MackDavid]

“This place we find ourselves in right now, it’s not going to work over the long haul. It just isn’t.” - Mark Chipman

 

[Orrrules]

I commend Ehlers for not whining about his use or ice time like Laine did but he hasn't bought into the system and can bugger off. Neither Maurice or Bowness could get through to him and according to some on here there are Jets who don't want to play with him. We saw Conner buy in during the playoffs, at least he tried. Time to move on and get a good return on him while his value is high. There are a hundred C and LW available in free agency many of which bring more to the system than Ehlers does.

 

[kylbaz]

“I’m not so sure I agree 100% with your police work there Lou” -Margie from Fargo.

2nd and 3rd round picks are critical assets for an organization like Winnipeg.

2011-2020 2nd and 3rd round draft picks.

Brennan Serville
Adam Lowry
Scott Kosmachuk
Lukas Sutter
JC Lipon
Jimmy Lodge
Eric Comrie
Nicolas Petan
Jack Glover
Erik Foley
Jansen Harkins
Luke Green
Johnathan Kovacevic
Dylan Samberg
Nathan Smith
David Gustafsson
Simon Lundmark
Daniel Torgersson


Two players out of 18 have had an impact. That's an 11% success rate. If that's critical to you, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll gamble a 22% success rate on a 30+ goal scorer for a team that has a chance to go on a deep run any day of the week. And like I said there wasn't a single analyst that said "what a bad move" by the Jets.

 

[DRW204]

2011-2020 2nd and 3rd round draft picks.

Brennan Serville
Adam Lowry
Scott Kosmachuk
Lukas Sutter
JC Lipon
Jimmy Lodge
Eric Comrie
Nicolas Petan
Jack Glover
Erik Foley
Jansen Harkins
Luke Green
Johnathan Kovacevic
Dylan Samberg
Nathan Smith
David Gustafsson
Simon Lundmark
Daniel Torgersson


Two players out of 18 have had an impact. That's an 11% success rate. If that's critical to you, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll gamble a 22% success rate on a 30+ goal scorer for a team that has a chance to go on a deep run any day of the week. And like I said there wasn't a single analyst that said "what a bad move" by the Jets.

i agree the Jets drafting in these round are trash. however, those 2nd and 3rd round picks could still be used to make moves for non-rentals unlike Tofolli.

 

[ps241]

2011-2020 2nd and 3rd round draft picks.

Brennan Serville
Adam Lowry
Scott Kosmachuk
Lukas Sutter
JC Lipon
Jimmy Lodge
Eric Comrie
Nicolas Petan
Jack Glover
Erik Foley
Jansen Harkins
Luke Green
Johnathan Kovacevic
Dylan Samberg
Nathan Smith
David Gustafsson
Simon Lundmark
Daniel Torgersson


Two players out of 18 have had an impact. That's an 11% success rate. If that's critical to you, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll gamble a 22% success rate on a 30+ goal scorer for a team that has a chance to go on a deep run any day of the week. And like I said there wasn't a single analyst that said "what a bad move" by the Jets.

Dillon for two 2nd’s
Niederriter for a 2nd
Namestikov for a 4th
DeMelo for 2nd




2nd and 3rd round picks do have value. Pure rentals in Winnipeg to back this core on any type of a cup run historically carry zero value. Go out and find assets with term or that we might be able to convert to roster players I think is a great investment.

Giving up 1st’s or 2nd’s to plug holes for a shot at the cup is the worst option for asset managment in Winnipeg IMO.

 

[voyageur]

I mostly hope the Jets keep Ehlers. He is fun to watch and one of our better players. Playoffs have been poor for several players but he has been disappointing.

Still, something need to give to be a better team next year.

The D will look different. It is a bit worrisome atm.

With Lambert, Mc Groarty, Chibrikov, Lucius and Barlow all coming up through the pipeline, Scheif, Connor, Perfetti and Valardi here that's an investment the Jets don't need to make. If they had a ton of d prospects maybe, but Chevy drafting forwards in the 1st round for 4 straight years has pretty much sealed the deal on Ehlers.

 

[Heldig]

You trade Ehlers, and then what? You'll have Connor and Scheifele continue playing 20 a night, which doesn't work. You'll have the Lowry line intact, which does well but doesn't produce offense. You literally don't have a second line - it's going to be worse without Ehlers. The fourth line doesn't contribute with or without Nik. What's the message?

If Ehlers is lost, whether it be via a trade or to UFA, the team's biggest need immediately becomes another Ehlers to replace his ability to keep the top 6 even remotely competitive. And just like the stud RHD that everyone wants to get in an Ehlers trade, nobody will be trading those to us.

There has to be some hope that Lambert can step in to a scoring role and/or maybe Chibrikov, as well as improvement from Perfetti. That can help offset the loss from Ehlers.

 

[gojetsgo]

That top 5 team had Ehlers on it. Stuff works quite often with him on the ice. Without him, not so much. Fortunately, we had him on our second line last year, which I wasn't talking about - you'd have understood that, if you had taken the time to read what was posted.

Also, Hellebuyck and Brossoit outperformed their combined xGA by a whopping 46 goals last year. With a top 3 goalie on payroll, we're probably going to outperform again next year, but I'd be cautious about projecting similar goaltending results into next season.

helle is constantly good and plays a ton of games so of course we will out perform our xga...

say you give up an expected 2.5 gf every game last time I checked you can't actually lose 2.5-2 so basically if your goalie only lets in 2 he had a good game and if your goalie lets in 3 he had a bad game, since helle plays majority of those games and is constantly very good he's going to be on the good side more often then not and the saves above expected will obviously add up

add the whopping 46 goals to our season total and we still would have finished 12th in the nhl in goals against and even better if did the same thing for every other team in the nhl

 

[Maukkis]

helle is constantly good and plays a ton of games so of course we will out perform our xga...

say you give up an expected 2.5 gf every game last time I checked you can't actually lose 2.5-2 so basically if your goalie only lets in 2 he had a good game and if your goalie lets in 3 he had a bad game, since helle plays majority of those games and is constantly very good he's going to be on the good side more often then not and the saves above expected will obviously add up

add the whopping 46 goals to our season total and we still would have finished 12th in the nhl in goals against and even better if did the same thing for every other team in the nhl

Yes - but this past season was the best Helly we've seen in his career. How likely is it that he'll replicate one of the best goalie seasons in the last five years? Also, Brossoit did some very heavy lifting as a backup (13 goals saved above expectation) - it'll take a miracle for any backup to level that.

All I'm saying is, if someone considers us a 110-point team based on last year, then they're likely banking on that magical goaltending continuing into next season. We benefited a lot from it.

There has to be some hope that Lambert can step in to a scoring role and/or maybe Chibrikov, as well as improvement from Perfetti. That can help offset the loss from Ehlers.

I'll gladly take the "no, it won't" side of that.

If you're forced to replace Ehlers with an existing Jet, the best bet is going to be Nino. Hopefully Arniel promotes him into the top 6 - we need him there more than on the third.

 

[gojetsgo]

Yes - but this past season was the best Helly we've seen in his career. How likely is it that he'll replicate one of the best goalie seasons in the last five years? Also, Brossoit did some very heavy lifting as a backup (13 goals saved above expectation) - it'll take a miracle for any backup to level that.

All I'm saying is, if someone considers us a 110-point team based on last year, then they're likely banking on that magical goaltending continuing into next season. We benefited a lot from it.

this past season was also the best team defense helle has ever seen, we get the same level of defensive play and he will easily have another high level of goals saved above expected