Player Discussion: Winnipeg Jets Defense

[Teemusalami204]

I really hope DeMelo and Maurice can resolve their differences soon otherwise being saddled with $3 million/year for the next 4 years guy playing bottom pairing on a team is not a great use of cap resources.

I’m still wondering what he did to not play with morrisey

 

[bennylundholm]

What is the protocol if the Jets were to acquire a D like Gudbrandson from Ottawa?
Is it 48 hour quarantine if entirely in Canada?

 

[GNP]

This is what I would do if I were GM, to fix the defence situation.

1) I'd trade Perfetti, and a 2nd round pick for a good solid young right defenseman. Throw in Perrault if they want him as well.

OR

1) Trade Appleton and Perfetti for a real top defenseman.

As fans can see, when we played Toronto, we get hemmed in our end for way to long, and Helle has to bail us out. This situation has to be fixed, or we won't be a Cup contending team, and you have to give to get -- in order to get a good Dman.

Maybe Samberg will part of the answer, but we "need" a deal to be made.

 

[DannyGallivan]

This is what I would do if I were GM, to fix the defence situation.

1) I'd trade Perfetti, and a 2nd round pick for a good solid young right defenseman. Throw in Perrault if they want him as well.

OR

1) Trade Appleton and Perfetti for a real top defenseman.

As fans can see, when we played Toronto, we get hemmed in our end for way to long, and Helle has to bail us out. This situation has to be fixed, or we won't be a Cup contending team, and you have to give to get -- in order to get a good Dman.

Maybe Samberg will part of the answer, but we "need" a deal to be made.

1.) A potential offensive star who every expert in the hockey world says we absolutely stole with the 10th pick, AND a second round pick for... a "solid" defenseman? Like, you mean at least a first pairing right??? Naw, this would be a total fleecing against the Jets.
2.)This one is at least as damaging to the Jets, unless you want to actually name some defensemen you would be targeting.

Bottom line... teams with long term success do not trade away blue-chip prospects. Sam Pollock used to feast on those kinds of GMs.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

The thing is I don't think we need a Norris trophy winner.

Just someone good enough to keep Beaulieu out of the lineup. Someone slightly better than DeMelo.

 

[DannyGallivan]

The thing is I don't think we need a Norris trophy winner.

Just someone good enough to keep Beaulieu out of the lineup. Someone slightly better than DeMelo.

We already have them. Logan Stanley and Heinola.

 

[Roughneck1]

I really hope DeMelo and Maurice can resolve their differences soon otherwise being saddled with $3 million/year for the next 4 years guy playing bottom pairing on a team is not a great use of cap resources.

But is it? We’re going to have a bunch of LD coming thru with entry level contacts. One is going to play higher up eventually. We can afford to to pay a little more so the young guys actually have a decent vet to play with to break into the league. I don’t have a problem with it.

 

[KingBogo]

Sheif is one of the worst 1c defensively in the entire nhl and the analytics prove it. I’m pretty sure he calls them “ hogwash” because it proves how lazy he Is defensively

I personally don’t understand them either but I still think this is Sheifs reasoning.

I find it interesting that someone can make a definative point based on something they admit in the following sentence they have no understanding of. Almost by definition you can never be wrong because you don't need to understand what your argument is based on so you can base your argument on anything and just say you are right.

 

[BoneDocUK]

The thing is I don't think we need a Norris trophy winner.

Just someone good enough to keep Beaulieu out of the lineup. Someone slightly better than DeMelo.

Injury is going to keep Beaulieu out of the lineup for a while now. Good opportunity for Stanley/ X/ Y to step in and made a case for themselves in the home stretch.

 

[Teemusalami204]

I find it interesting that someone can make a definative point based on something they admit in the following sentence they have no understanding of. Almost by definition you can never be wrong because you don't need to understand what your argument is based on so you can base your argument on anything and just say you are right.

I’m just using serevellis words on TSN 1290. He said that sheif was the worst top 6 defensiveforward in the nhl and wheeler was 3rd worst. I’m guessing it was analytics that we referring too ???

I don’t understand them, it doesn’t mean I don’t think they have any worth.

 

[brock0791]

What is the protocol if the Jets were to acquire a D like Gudbrandson from Ottawa?
Is it 48 hour quarantine if entirely in Canada?

I assume Canadian NHL players have no quarantine the same way the Jets do. If I fly from Ottawa to Winnipeg I have a 14 day quarantine I can't imagine a traded player would or the Jets would everytime they come home from a road trip

 

[WolfHouse]

I’m still wondering what he did to not play with morrisey

Actually think it just boils down to Mo wanting size in the lineup this year... doesn't fully explain the Niku on top pairing experiment though - but almost nothing does...

I'm just really hoping that we see DeMelo-JoMo starting next game - Jets want size in the lineup because we were bashed around by Calgary... but Toronto, Edmonton and Montreal just don't play like that - we need speed and cycling

 

[KingBogo]

I’m just using serevellis words on TSN 1290. He said that sheif was the worst top 6 defensiveforward in the nhl and wheeler was 3rd worst. I’m guessing it was analytics that we referring too ???

I don’t understand them, it doesn’t mean I don’t think they have any worth.

1290 isn't even a sports station any more and are you sure you remember correctly? What was the context? Maybe you could have attached a link to support your contension? Based on some underlying numbers an argument could be made that Seth Jones is one of the worst top pairing defensman in the league at this point in time. Is that a correct statement or would I be missing the context of the current situation?

 

[Teemusalami204]

1290 isn't even a sports station any more and are you sure you remember correctly? What was the context? Maybe you could have attached a link to support your contension? Based on some underlying numbers an argument could be made that Seth Jones is one of the worst top pairing defensman in the league at this point in time. Is that a correct statement or would I be missing the context of the current situation?

I heard correct 100 percent. They were talking about what needs to be done to be successful this season and he bought up that sheif was the worst defensive forward in the NHL and wheeler was third worst last year. And that there needs to be more dedicated defensive play from our forwards.

My argument is not that I agree either way with analytics. My argument is that I feel there is zero chance a hockey nut like sheif hasn’t glanced at the stats and knows how bad he is

 

[KingBogo]

I heard correct 100 percent. They were talking about what needs to be done to be successful this season and he bought up that sheif was the worst defensive forward in the NHL and wheeler was third worst last year. And that there needs to be more dedicated defensive play from our forwards.

My argument is not that I agree either way with analytics. My argument is that I feel there is zero chance a hockey nut like sheif hasn’t glanced at the stats and knows how bad he is

Scheifele was the absolute worst defensive forward in the league? There are 400 - 500 forwards who regularly start and Scheifele and Wheeler were both in the bottom 3? You realize statistically they aren't even bettom 3 on their own team? You will need to offer more than this is what I remember.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Scheifele was the absolute worst? You will need to offer more than this is what I remember.

I’m not sure what he meant by it. Probably analytics. That’s why I brought it up

 

[Jet]

All I have to say about 88's injury is that it's a chance for Stanley or Niku to make it impossible for Maurice to pull them out of the lineup when he's healthy

 

[KingBogo]

I’m not sure what he meant by it. Probably analytics. That’s why I brought it up

Sorry man, but a big part of the problem around here IMO is people throw around the word analytics like they are proving their point without even a glancing knowledge about what they are talking about. And if you say someone is the best or worst you should at least have at least 1 piece of supporting evidence that you understand that can actually demonstrate it.

 

[voyageur]

And the one who is the boss gives the one who coaches the players the coach wants.

I'm sure they communicate on the subject very often. But if Maurice says to Chevy that he wants to get Samberg into the lineup, Chevy goes back to his office and figures out how to get that done - and then he does it. Just as long as it is doable, he will do it.

I guess we're kind of going round and round, but right now Maurice might get to watch a Moose game on an off night. So he's not really aware of what Samberg is doing. And I am sure he is more concerned with preparing his team for his opponents. The guys that would be providing the info on the AHL players is Zinger in particular, reporting to Chevy, and discussing with Maurice, based on what he has seen of these players. I don't think Maurice makes that call though, without the info from our scouts reporting to Chevy, is what I am trying to say.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Sorry man, but a big part of the problem around here IMO is people throw around the word analytics like they are proving their point without even a glancing knowledge about what they are talking about. And if you say someone is the best or worst you should at least have at least 1 piece of supporting evidence that you understand that can actually demonstrate it.

I told you my point wasn’t if the analytics were valid or not. Wasn’t trying to prove a point about them.

My point was sheif knows how bad his stats are so he’s pretending to not believe in them. And shutting them down

 

[KingBogo]

I told you my point wasn’t if the analytics were valid or not. Wasn’t trying to prove a point about them.

My point was sheif knows how bad his stats are so he’s pretending to not believe in them. And shutting them down

But how do you know what Scheifele believes? It has already been established in other posts that the Jets have an extensive analytics team which Maurice believes is using proprietary data that is much more accurate than the lower level information available free to the public. I much safer guess is Scheifele is very aware of this information and looks down on opinions based on inferior data.

 

[ThaiTanicDK]

Who needs a D when you have Ehlers who can just circle the offensive zone at light speed for 60 minutes?

 

[AlaskaJet]

We already have them. Logan Stanley and Heinola.

This! Free the young D’s!

 

[Atoyot]

EDIT: Nah maybe too tasteless.

 

[voyageur]

All I have to say about 88's injury is that it's a chance for Stanley or Niku to make it impossible for Maurice to pull them out of the lineup when he's healthy

It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out.

Looking at Niku's analytics for road games, I have serious doubts Maurice goes with him.

Stanley has been somewhat better, but in Beaulieu-like territory on the road. My guess is Stanley draws in, as Maurice referred to being able to PK. Which is what he said about Stanley before, and Thompson earlier, but I think the principle is Maurice doesn't want to burn out Morrissey and Pionk in a game where there are a lot of penalties.

Poolman took his first PK reps since game 1 last night, so that's encouraging. I'd hate to lose Pionk from shot blocking, that would be some big shoes for Ville to fill.

Stanley can easily slide to the taxi squad though if the Jets decide to go the farm for reinforcements. I don't have a good sense on who would be the first call, Heinola or Samberg. Heinola is putting up more points, so you could potentially have 3 pairings that can produce offense, which was a pretty effective method for Tampa. Samberg add some size to the back end, which I think would be what you are looking for in replacing Beaulieu

Since the timetable for Beaulieu's return is around the trade deadline, there might already be some more players on the roster by that time.

A big player like David Savard might render a big player like Stanley a depth defenseman., as well as Beaulieu and Poolman.

You end up with something like

Morrissey-Savard
Forbort-Pionk
Heinola/Samberg-De Melo

and that's quite a bit different than what you have been treading with all year.