Winnipeg Jets: 11,226 Attendance tonight, cause for concern? What's going on in the 'Peg?

[Junohockeyfan]

If I was the Winnipeg Owner and someone wants the team to move to Houston,how about a fee of say 2 Billion at least! Seriously most American markets support their team when they are winning and disappear when they're not

He wouldn't be able to find a buyer at that price. And would be stuck with the team in Winnipeg losing money.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Why is this still a page? 4000 short in 11 or 12 years? Pretty sure TNSE has a wallet for that.

Didn't the arena (tnse) just put 13 million in renovations in this past summer?

Just need them concerts

 

[Devils 3silverones]

Just need them concerts

I suppose. Not sure who gets the concert $ for each arena or building.

 

[Beerz]

That's a pretty dynamic young group. You'd have to be the worst cynic to stay away for that reason.

We've debated ticket costs, the impact of the pandemic on economies, increased costs for essentials when it comes to Winnipeg. The Sportsnet crew doing the game brought it up tonight too.

I don't know enough about the fan base, and where they historically draw from, except to say that when the NHL toyed with the idea of putting a team in Hamilton they were as vocal as the Leafs were. How many traditional fans crossed the border to watch?

I think like 15 to 20% of Buffalo's season ticket holders were from across the border when they had a waiting list for season tickets.

 

[Brookbank]

Winnipeg is an embarrassment to Canada and doesn't deserve a team if they can't fill an arena with an average NHL team. The fact is, the population base is not sufficient to support a team. Move it to a city that can support an NHL team like Houston. How Houston does not have a team is beyond me. 7.3M people in Houston / Greater Houston area and no NHL team.

Edmonton would be the 2nd smallest metro area with an NHL team in the US yet it had the 5th most revenue in the entire league genius.

 

[Brookbank]

The Jets have the richest and most stable ownership in the NHL.
The ENTIRE league.
I know people outside of Winnipeg hate hearing that, but it’s fact.
This team is going nowhere.

Yes. But why don't they give away tickets to get the attendance numbers up like the US teams do ? Or at least lower prices.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Edmonton would be the 2nd smallest metro area with an NHL team in the US yet it had the 5th most revenue in the entire league genius.

Edmonton is an outlier and has the games best 2 x players. Genius.

What exactly are you arguing? That a large population center isn't a better option than a tiny city? This isn't rocket science. BIgger is better. Ask yo momma!

 

[BlueSeal]

And what, 5-6 times more than the Yotes?

What’s the argument here again?

 

[Meuracas]

Just relocate them to Phoenix already.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I suppose. Not sure who gets the concert $ for each arena or building.

If an NHL team is good with negotiating, they get a good share of it. It's s kept the Panthers alive for years of sucking, revenue wise.

 

[BlueSeal]

Winnipeg and Quebec City are simply not major league cities.

Jesus, it’s NOT about money or attendance, it’s about solvency. The Jets are far more solvent than any other team, feel free to acid test it.

QC can easily be the same. And while the Yotes play in what, a TWO THOUSAND SEAT STADIUM, I don’t wanna hear Jack about any of this nonsense until at least the Yotes get a new stadium or are relocated.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Jesus, it’s NOT about money or attendance, it’s about solvency. The Jets are far more solvent than any other team, feel free to acid test it.

QC can easily be the same. And while the Yotes play in what, a TWO THOUSAND SEAT STADIUM, I don’t wanna hear Jack about any of this nonsense until at least the Yotes get a new stadium or are relocated.

Hating on a teams attendance is just that.

 

[BlueSeal]

Hating on a teams attendance is just that.

Thank you for understanding

 

[Devils 3silverones]

If an NHL team is good with negotiating, they get a good share of it. It's s kept the Panthers alive for years of sucking, revenue wise.

If the NHL team OWNS the areana, they get all of it. Which I believe TNSE does... Which they have done seems ok at. Hence the 13$ mill summer upgrage.
I could be wrong.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Thank you for understanding

Trust me, I feel for Atlanta as well. Bad ownership is just that. Not the same for the Peg, but tickets aren't cheap.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

I think like 15 to 20% of Buffalo's season ticket holders were from across the border when they had a waiting list for season tickets.

Only 15-20% I thought it was closer to 30% actually

 

[Brookbank]

Edmonton is an outlier and has the games best 2 x players. Genius.

What exactly are you arguing? That a large population center isn't a better option than a tiny city? This isn't rocket science. BIgger is better. Ask yo momma!

The Oilers were worth more in 2012 than 14 other US NHL teams which included the Avalanche, Islanders and Lightning. That was with Yakupov. Not McDavid. NHL Team Worth 2011-2012 | TheHockeyFanatic

Its pretty obvious what I am arguing. The Jets are going through a lean period like almost every Canadian city has before. Certainly Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary all have. But did any of those fail ? How did it work out in the long run ?

And how has Arizona and Atlanta faired in the meantime ? Since you want to talk about big population centers.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

If the NHL team OWNS the areana, they get all of it. Which I believe TNSE does... Which they have done seems ok at. Hence the 13$ mill summer upgrage.
I could be wrong.

I was in Winnipeg this Summer past and didn't see any reno's must have been complete by the time I was there perhaps...saw a lot of construction in and around the Peg though

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The Oilers were worth more in 2012 than 14 other US NHL teams which included the Avalanche, Islanders and Lightning. That was with Yakupov. Not McDavid. NHL Team Worth 2011-2012 | TheHockeyFanatic

Its pretty obvious what I am arguing. The Jets are going through a lean period like almost every Canadian city has before. Certainly Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary all have. But did any of those fail ? How did it work out in the long run ?

And how has Arizona and Atlanta faired in the meantime ? Since you want to talk about big population centers.

They faired as good as the Jets. Franchises that are not viable. Jets shoudl never have gotten a team back after proving not to be a viable city.

Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary are larger population centers. More affluent than Winnipeg. More viable. Richer sponsors.

Winnipeg, Phoenix and Buffalo are similar.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

The Oilers were worth more in 2012 than 14 other US NHL teams which included the Avalanche, Islanders and Lightning. That was with Yakupov. Not McDavid. NHL Team Worth 2011-2012 | TheHockeyFanatic

Its pretty obvious what I am arguing. The Jets are going through a lean period like almost every Canadian city has before. Certainly Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary all have. But did any of those fail ? How did it work out in the long run ?

And how has Arizona and Atlanta faired in the meantime ? Since you want to talk about big population centers.

Arizona-Phoenix,Atlanta have been disasters and now San Jose shows signs they want something better

 

[Beerz]

Only 15-20% I thought it was closer to 30% actually

May be right..

 

[Devils 3silverones]

I was in Winnipeg this Summer past and didn't see any reno's must have been complete by the time I was there perhaps...saw a lot of construction in and around the Peg though

It was in canada life center i believe. Im sure its on social somewhere.

 

[tucker3434]

Jesus, it’s NOT about money or attendance, it’s about solvency. The Jets are far more solvent than any other team, feel free to acid test it.

QC can easily be the same. And while the Yotes play in what, a TWO THOUSAND SEAT STADIUM, I don’t wanna hear Jack about any of this nonsense until at least the Yotes get a new stadium or are relocated.

It is for the other owners who get a vote on whether to admit new teams. True North’s other business might make the whole portfolio a winner, but the NHL doesn’t get a piece of that.

 

[Brookbank]

They faired as good as the Jets. Franchises that are not viable. Jets shoudl never have gotten a team back after proving not to be a viable city.

Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary are larger population centers. More affluent than Winnipeg. More viable. Richer sponsors.

Winnipeg, Phoenix and Buffalo are similar.

The Panthers, Sharks, Hurricanes and Sabres all had lower operating income than the Winnipeg Jets in 2022. The league is probably loving this attention that gets drummed up about the Jets right now. It covers up the real problem teams that the league has. And they are all in the US.

But I agree on the Sabres. They should be moved to Hamilton.

 

[ElGuapo]

The Edmonton Oilers are a comparatively small city and small team and yet were the 5th highest revenue team in the league in 2022. More than the Blackhawks or Bruins.

Only possible because they have several of the best players of all-time on the roster at the same time. If they hadn't have lucked into that situation they'd be the Houston Oilers right now.