OT: Winnipeg Blue Bombers 2023 Season - Another terrible disappointment. NEXT: Tough Decisions on How to Rebuild.

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rkp

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Gotta wonder if these 2 GC losses will hurt game sellouts next season.....fool me once shame on you!, fool me twice, shame on me!
 
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GreatSaveEssensa

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They haven't fired Chevy into the sun yet. Hell die in that f***ing role and I'll continue to tell everyone who'll listen that that organization is f***ing toxic and deserves to be shitty.
For the smallest market in the NHL, and for not being able to ever attract any UFA’s are you not able to give any credit at all to Chevy? His drafting and trading for the most part has been top notch. He has been able to get really good returns for players that had his toes to the fire (Trouba, Copp, Dubois, Kane) Our top players for the most part are home grown talent (Scheifele, Connor, Lowry, Ehlers, Morriseey, Hellebuyck) and the Jets are usually always in the mix for the playoffs and are regularly in them. Sure he has made mistakes in the past, name me one GM who hasn't. But your ridiculous claim that Chevy has ruined the organization is based on zero fact it seems. Just remember the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
 

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For the smallest market in the NHL, and for not being able to ever attract any UFA’s are you not able to give any credit at all to Chevy? His drafting and trading for the most part has been top notch. He has been able to get really good returns for players that had his toes to the fire (Trouba, Copp, Dubois, Kane) Our top players for the most part are home grown talent (Scheifele, Connor, Lowry, Ehlers, Morriseey, Hellebuyck) and the Jets are usually always in the mix for the playoffs and are regularly in them. Sure he has made mistakes in the past, name me one GM who hasn't. But your ridiculous claim that Chevy has ruined the organization is based on zero fact it seems. Just remember the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

His opinion about Chevy is almost entirely related to the Kyle Beach situation....not the thread to engage Chevy talk anyway but I wouldn't try to argue results with Holden about Chevy, his stance isn't about that and that's fine.
 

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His opinion about Chevy is almost entirely related to the Kyle Beach situation....not the thread to engage Chevy talk anyway but I wouldn't try to argue results with Holden about Chevy, his stance isn't about that and that's fine.
Got ya! Thanks for the heads up, and I can respect that . I kind of forgot which thread I was in and was just responding to his post regarding Chevy. But yes, not relevant in this thread what so ever and for that I apologize.
 

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Some would accuse me of being pessimistic but after Collaros threw that pick, my intuition told me heartbreak was coming. I sent a message to a friend, brace yourself as Montreal will plunge the dagger in late. Which sadly, is what came to pass.

I've seen the Bombers lose 7 out of 10 Grey Cups now, they've managed to do so in every way imaginable. Back to back losses in the 90s, when I was just old enough to remember watching. A taste of things to come. My father broke his arm falling off a ladder, as he was putting up Christmas lights, hours before our loss to Calgary in 2001. As he was at the hospital with my mother, my brother and I would sit and watch the offensive powerhouse be unplugged by a team with a losing record. In 2011, my first girlfriend had a family member who worked for the Bombers. This person was not well, so the organization flew them out for the game in BC. The Bombers would take the sword from old Wally for a third time, infront of a zealous hometown crowd. No cup for Bomber legend Doug Brown, the same fate as Milt. Her family member would pass away a couple days later. 2007 is best not talked about. Losing our starting QB and losing to THEM. The worst of the bad bunch.

2019 eased many years of pain. I'm more than thankful for that Cup. Especially as my younger brother was able to see it, he would pass the following year. I don't think there will be another that tops it. 2021 has somewhat of a fog around it, considering all that was going on at that time. Last year was a bitter pill. I hate losing to Toronto almost as much as I hate losing to THEM. Although I admit, I get a sick sense of amusement that the city who cares for their CFL team the least, wins the most titles. One wonders what might happen if they applied that to the Leafs...

For whatever reason, this year feels harder to take then all the rest. I didn't expect the Bombers to run roughshod over the Alouettes, although I felt they could. You'll understand why I'll never be able to head into a Bomber GC game feeling overly confident. However, I thought we'd go about our business and come out with the silverware. Perhaps selfishly, I attached an expectation on this team, to right wrongs of the past. Two didn't feel like enough before yesterday and it doesn't now. Two is better than none, in this case and for now, it's what I've got.

There really isn't much to say about the performance that others haven't said already. A text from my sister, simply reading "Ass af" was all that was needed. All I'll add is, not being able to get the stop on 2nd and 18 was a torturous viewing experience beyond what I could previously fathom.

Football really is a cruel game, especially when you love the Blue and Gold. The mind knows there is more to life than all this but try telling that to the heart. We go again next year, like we always do. Much love to all of you.

To end on a positive note, I really loved the fight I saw in Winnipeg boy Brady Oliveira. He scratches and claws for every inch on that field. He was one of the bright spots for us on the night and a winner in my book. I will also never forget being at the OT win against BC in Vancouver this year, with my family. (That is a story for another day)

It's those moments shared with family and friends, that have been ingrained in me ever since my father took us down to the old stadium as kids. Sights and sounds and smells I can recall as if they were yesterday. Despite all the sorrow, some of my most cherished memories are with Big Blue.

It's what keeps me coming back.
 

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Some would accuse me of being pessimistic but after Collaros threw that pick, my intuition told me heartbreak was coming. I sent a message to a friend, brace yourself as Montreal will plunge the dagger in late. Which sadly, is what came to pass.

I've seen the Bombers lose 7 out of 10 Grey Cups now, they've managed to do so in every way imaginable. Back to back losses in the 90s, when I was just old enough to remember watching. A taste of things to come. My father broke his arm falling off a ladder, as he was putting up Christmas lights, hours before our loss to Calgary in 2001. As he was at the hospital with my mother, my brother and I would sit and watch the offensive powerhouse be unplugged by a team with a losing record. In 2011, my first girlfriend had a family member who worked for the Bombers. This person was not well, so the organization flew them out for the game in BC. The Bombers would take the sword from old Wally for a third time, infront of a zealous hometown crowd. No cup for Bomber legend Doug Brown, the same fate as Milt. Her family member would pass away a couple days later. 2007 is best not talked about. Losing our starting QB and losing to THEM. The worst of the bad bunch.

2019 eased many years of pain. I'm more than thankful for that Cup. Especially as my younger brother was able to see it, he would pass the following year. I don't think there will be another that tops it. 2021 has somewhat of a fog around it, considering all that was going on at that time. Last year was a bitter pill. I hate losing to Toronto almost as much as I hate losing to THEM. Although I admit, I get a sick sense of amusement that the city who cares for their CFL team the least, wins the most titles. One wonders what might happen if they applied that to the Leafs...

For whatever reason, this year feels harder to take then all the rest. I didn't expect the Bombers to run roughshod over the Alouettes, although I felt they could. You'll understand why I'll never be able to head into a Bomber GC game feeling overly confident. However, I thought we'd go about our business and come out with the silverware. Perhaps selfishly, I attached an expectation on this team, to right wrongs of the past. Two didn't feel like enough before yesterday and it doesn't now. Two is better than none, in this case and for now, it's what I've got.

There really isn't much to say about the performance that others haven't said already. A text from my sister, simply reading "Ass af" was all that was needed. All I'll add is, not being able to get the stop on 2nd and 18 was a torturous viewing experience beyond what I could previously fathom.

Football really is a cruel game, especially when you love the Blue and Gold. The mind knows there is more to life than all this but try telling that to the heart. We go again next year, like we always do. Much love to all of you.

To end on a positive note, I really loved the fight I saw in Winnipeg boy Brady Oliveira. He scratches and claws for every inch on that field. He was one of the bright spots for us on the night and a winner in my book. I will also never forget being at the OT win against BC in Vancouver this year, with my family. (That is a story for another day)

It's those moments shared with family and friends, that have been ingrained in me ever since my father took us down to the old stadium as kids. Sights and sounds and smells I can recall as if they were yesterday. Despite all the sorrow, some of my most cherished memories are with Big Blue.

It's what keeps me coming back.
Excellent first post, sir/madam. I definitely agree the Collaros pick was where the turn began to tide.
 

FlyerNutter

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This org, while having success the last few years.

Is giving me a little too much in the way of a country club atmosphere. They are loaded with talent, but the loyalty to someone like Bighill yesterday - and to Hall this offseason (no way he’s getting fired), is annoying.

Collaros isn’t a superstar the last couple seasons, and that’s ok - even if the media markets him as such. He played well enough to win. I wish they used Prukop a little more, or quick short throws to Oliviera when it was clear he was their best player, and the OL was opening up decent lanes all night.

Would have helped take the pressure off Zach who was definitely feeling it.

I’ve made my feelings on Hall well known. That bullshit strategy of willingly bleeding yards is a trademark of his. It doesn’t collapse the team most nights because they have a lot of talent - but I’ve long thought he’s the weak link. You have Jeffcoat, and Willy who are solid players just negated because you don’t support them with enough men on the rush.

Fajardo has time to knit a sweater back there.
 

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This org, while having success the last few years.

Is giving me a little too much in the way of a country club atmosphere. They are loaded with talent, but the loyalty to someone like Bighill yesterday - and to Hall this offseason (no way he’s getting fired), is annoying.

Collaros isn’t a superstar the last couple seasons, and that’s ok - even if the media markets him as such. He played well enough to win. I wish they used Prukop a little more, or quick short throws to Oliviera when it was clear he was their best player, and the OL was opening up decent lanes all night.

Would have helped take the pressure off Zach who was definitely feeling it.

I’ve made my feelings on Hall well known. That bullshit strategy of willingly bleeding yards is a trademark of his. It doesn’t collapse the team most nights because they have a lot of talent - but I’ve long thought he’s the weak link. You have Jeffcoat, and Willy who are solid players just negated because you don’t support them with enough men on the rush.

Fajardo has time to knit a sweater back there.
Just read in the Freep that Bighill played with a torn calf. Normal recovery time is 3-4 months and often surgery is needed (so says Google, I’m no doctor). Whoever made the call to put him (ultimately O’Shea, I would guess) really screwed the pooch there.
 

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At the end of the day, Thorpe is and always has been a better DC than Hall. Bombers compensated for Hall with JJ, WJ and Bighill but Montreal's talent on D is very strong now too.

I didn't like the two penalties on our OL that kind of killed the bombers momentum - they were chintzy after Montreal was holding all first half. Really killed that drive

Wonder if rostering Haba/Fox and running a heavy rotation of DL would have helped... still don't see the purpose of Damian Jackson - I think Ellis was a Nationalized American and he made an impact

I think Buck lost the game almost more than Hall... we all know that Hall can't contain yards late in a game and doesn't make adjustments... Buck drifted back to Lapo play calling and away from screens - and we almost never see a shovel pass to BO

Hall's play calling reminded me of pre-Bighill days where he would just wash out his own MLB by lining him up at the DL play after play - basically trying to compensate for the MLB's lack of speed by getting pressure - which teams easily read.

I don't see what Osh didn't challenge that fumble - I'd say it was 50/50 in review but it would have broken Montreal

I want to criticize Osh's love for Cdns but Gauthier and Lawson did have a good games - Bennett is not doing it for me... Jackson seems like a nice story but 3 ST tackles on the season is a massive red flag

If I'm Walters, I'd ask Collaros to restructure for a 2 year cheaper annual contract so they can keep Brown and run a 1A/1B - pitch it as a game management deal or something...

Same for Bighill - get Cole rotating with him and use him as Nationalized American - bombers will be forced to start more rookies next year regardless
You've made some valid points. Regarding the "nationalized" American, I follow the Bombers closely and, during the season, I never saw them utilize this new designation. To me it's a no-brainer but for some reason the Bombers did not take advantage of it.

Had them at 2nd and 18 where a stop wins the game, can't give that up.

Bombers threw this game away. Collaros pick was brutal, offense completely stagnated in the 2nd half and we kept running every first down. So predictable.

Really should have been a win.
Bingo!
 

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We didn't make the D plays. Those 2 backs got picked on. Bad decisions on that last Montreal drive. Bad pick early on in the endzone, thought Collaros tried to force it and he had a guy on the swing out just outside the zone that would have been a much safer play.

Montreal was on a heater and there D was great. We gave up every big play on the D side and that was the game
 
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Zach Collaros' career playoff stats with the Bombers

9 starts 6 tds 8 ints 1854 yards(206 yards per game) 144/209 (68.89%, 8.87 ypa) in a full season of his play off games he’d be on track for 12 tds 16 picks 3707 yards.

And to think some of you here have called him the greatest Qb in Blue Bomber history. :facepalm:
 

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Zach Collaros' career playoff stats with the Bombers

9 starts 6 tds 8 ints 1854 yards(206 yards per game) 144/209 (68.89%, 8.87 ypa) in a full season of his play off games he’d be on track for 12 tds 16 picks 3707 yards.

And to think some of you here have called him the greatest Qb in Blue Bomber history. :facepalm:
Hey hey HEY he’d actually be on track 3708 yards! Quit changing stuff to fit a narrative :sarcasm:

Seriously though, I agree he isn’t good in the playoffs. I know there’s discussion about him being among the greats but I think a lot of people still hold on to Dieter Brock and Tom Clements as being better. Or even Kenny Ploen and Jack Jacobs if you go further back. He’s certainly the best QB I’ve ever seen play for the Bombers, but that’s not saying much, I’ve only been watching since the Michael Bishop/Kevin Glenn days. Was too young for Khari.

His first two seasons here he was most certainly a force and he was positively impacting games — winning games for us. In the playoffs, he hasn’t been that guy. And this year he wasn’t the same ever. It’s no wonder Brady got our MOP nominee, because Collaros was f***ing things up left and right. That stupid interception yesterday was a big reason why we lost and it wasn’t a one-off, he did that several times this year.
 
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