Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-01T10:26:19-0400

lilidk said:
Red Wings should keep Compher

Agree to disagree. I'd trade him before he's a bottom 6 guy and becomes another copp and is untradeable

It's have zero problem going with larkin kasper danielson down the middle next season

norrisnick · 2024-11-01T10:28:31-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
Agree to disagree. I'd trade him before he's a bottom 6 guy and becomes another copp and is untradeable

It's have zero problem going with larkin kasper danielson down the middle next season

Then why do you have a problem with Copp and Compher?

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-01T10:41:35-0400

norrisnick said:
Then why do you have a problem with Copp and Compher?

Overpaid bottom 6 players who have 0 future on this team. I dont care copp got a puck off a leg and scored and has a few pts hes a 4th liner here with all the kids coming up shortly

lilidk · 2024-11-01T11:15:17-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
Agree to disagree. I'd trade him before he's a bottom 6 guy and becomes another copp and is untradeable

It's have zero problem going with larkin kasper danielson down the middle next season

Copp is trending up lately, he did second line much better . Compher has 4 more years, he probably will decline by the end of his contract , meanwhile we have Rasmussen who looks like a garbage this year and 5 third pair defansman, 3 average goalies and rising star Cossa. So we have plenty guys who should be traded before Compher

RED WINGS STOMP · 2024-11-01T12:05:27-0400

I have been a Copp hater in the past as well, but so far this season, he isn't the problem, he has produced some.

Christien · 2024-11-01T12:34:09-0400

On the topic of prospects, Jesse Kiiskinen is out ~4 weeks with an injury. Also, a massive shoutout to @LGRWProspects on Twitter for keeping everyone in the know about everything prospects: it's worth the follow.

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-01T12:51:59-0400

lilidk said:
Copp is trending up lately, he did second line much better . Compher has 4 more years, he probably will decline by the end of his contract , meanwhile we have Rasmussen who looks like a garbage this year and 5 third pair defansman, 3 average goalies and rising star Cossa. So we have plenty guys who should be traded before Compher

Hes nothing more than a 40ish pt guy. Dont disagree we have plenty of guys who should be moved before compher but who's taking them ???

If we eat 2 mill from copp someone might. Doubt yzerman will admit he f*cked up and do that. Rasmussen has term as well. Petry is garbage. Chiarot maybe in the off season with just 1 year left,not now

Dont even think we can move tarasenko now with his extra year attached. Compher maybe cause he can play center but the guys never hit anything close to 50 pts till he played on a very strong avs team. Once the kids come he'll be as bottom 6 overpaid player with lackluster numbers

Dont worry just cause I'd do it doesn't mean yzerman will.

RED WINGS STOMP said:
I have been a Copp hater in the past as well, but so far this season, he isn't the problem, he has produced some.

Its 10 games lol if hes still doing this after 60 I'll come here and say I f*McKee up but I doubt he'll be anything more than a 40 pt guy

Christien said:
On the topic of prospects, Jesse Kiiskinen is out ~4 weeks with an injury. Also, a massive shoutout to @LGRWProspects on Twitter for keeping everyone in the know about everything prospects: it's worth the follow.

Great . Course one of our few producing prospects would get injured

lilidk · 2024-11-01T14:58:50-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
Hes nothing more than a 40ish pt guy. Dont disagree we have plenty of guys who should be moved before compher but who's taking them ???

If we eat 2 mill from copp someone might. Doubt yzerman will admit he f*cked up and do that. Rasmussen has term as well. Petry is garbage. Chiarot maybe in the off season with just 1 year left,not now

Dont even think we can move tarasenko now with his extra year attached. Compher maybe cause he can play center but the guys never hit anything close to 50 pts till he played on a very strong avs team. Once the kids come he'll be as bottom 6 overpaid player with lackluster numbers

Dont worry just cause I'd do it doesn't mean yzerman will.

Its 10 games lol if hes still doing this after 60 I'll come here and say I f*McKee up but I doubt he'll be anything more than a 40 pt guy

Great . Course one of our few producing prospects would get injured

Or maybe Compher for Calum Ritchie . Wings probably should sweet this deal somehow

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-01T15:58:10-0400

lilidk said:
Or maybe Compher for Calum Ritchie . Wings probably should sweet this deal somehow

Ya zero chance avs are dealing Ritchie lol but I like your way of thinking. We have to target 18-23 yr olds with upside before they breakout and teams obviously wont move them

newfy · 2024-11-01T16:03:39-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
Dont even think we can move tarasenko now with his extra year attached. Compher maybe cause he can play center but the guys never hit anything close to 50 pts till he played on a very strong avs team. Once the kids come he'll be as bottom 6 overpaid player with lackluster numbers

Compher had 19 goals and 48 points in 77 games last year on the wings. Whats your definition of close to 50 pts?

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-01T17:08:32-0400

newfy said:
Compher had 19 goals and 48 points in 77 games last year on the wings. Whats your definition of close to 50 pts?

I don't know what your trying to get at. I said he never hit anything close to 50 pts till he was on a very strong avs team... as a 28 year old ... did I lie??

He got 48 pts cause we had no one else to go top 6 cause we suck atm and rebuild not done . He'll be demoted when the kids come up soon and be a 30-40 pt guy. Are we suppose to pretend hes a legit top 6 guy cause be is atm

OldnotDeadWings · 2024-11-01T19:18:29-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
Dont worry just cause I'd do it doesn't mean yzerman will.

Whew. Thanks for telling us not to worry. For a millisecond (or less) I was a teeny tiny bit anxious.

Re Compher: Sam Bennett has never had a 50-point season. Are we supposed to pretend he's not a SC winning No. 2 C?

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-01T20:29:36-0400

OldnotDeadWings said:
Whew. Thanks for telling us not to worry. For a millisecond (or less) I was a teeny tiny bit anxious.

Re Compher: Sam Bennett has never had a 50-point season. Are we supposed to pretend he's not a SC winning No. 2 C?

Who's the better all around player?? Which player would GM's prefer?? Who's got double production in the playoffs? Who'll get the much bigger contract ??

Can compher be a 2c on a garbage team? Sure. Doesn't make him one

Bennett is also on pace for 20+ goal seasons 4 years in a row since joining florida

That being said bennett is in a perfect situation atm and he might find out the grass isn't always greener elsewhere if he leaves. He'll stay

OldnotDeadWings · 2024-11-01T22:53:46-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
Who's the better all around player?? Which player would GM's prefer?? Who's got double production in the playoffs? Who'll get the much bigger contract ??

Can compher be a 2c on a garbage team? Sure. Doesn't make him one

Bennett is also on pace for 20+ goal seasons 4 years in a row since joining florida

That being said bennett is in a perfect situation atm and he might find out the grass isn't always greener elsewhere if he leaves. He'll stay

Look, you're all over the map on this one. Dismissing Compher as a 2C because he's not a 50 point C,, when he has not only had a 50-point season, he's averaged exactly 50 points the previous two seasons. Saying he could only be a 2C on a garbage team, when he's been a 2C the previous two years for teams that were not garbage teams. For his career, Compher is a 40ish point guy, so is Bennett. Their career production rate is almost identical. The last two years Compher's been a 50-point guy, but you've got excuses for both those years.

Sure, Bennett is a more impactful player. No one said he isn't. I mentioned him only to draw attention to your complaint about Compher not being a "real" 50-point C. As Bennett has proved, you don't need to be to help your team win. He's way more physical and that works in playoffs. So what? A team that isn't going to win the SC can't use a guy who produces at exactly the same rate as Bennett in the regular season with similar (or better) defensive ability but isn't the same level of shit-disturber? He's going to get paid more next season and that's proof of anything except the Cap is going up and even low-scoring 2Cs are hard to find?

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-01T23:48:01-0400

OldnotDeadWings said:
Look, you're all over the map on this one. Dismissing Compher as a 2C because he's not a 50 point C,, when he has not only had a 50-point season, he's averaged exactly 50 points the previous two seasons. Saying he could only be a 2C on a garbage team, when he's been a 2C the previous two years for teams that were not garbage teams. For his career, Compher is a 40ish point guy, so is Bennett. Their career production rate is almost identical. The last two years Compher's been a 50-point guy, but you've got excuses for both those years. Denny Green had a good quote about that.

Sure, Bennett is a more impactful player. No one said he isn't. I mentioned him only ⁸ draw attention to your complaint about Compher not being a "real" 50-point C. As Bennett has proved, you don't need to be to help your team win. He's way more physical and that works in playoffs. So what? A team that isn't going to win the SC can't use a guy who produces at exactly the same rate as Bennett in the regular season with similar (or better) defensive ability but isn't the same level of shit-disturber? He's going to get paid more next season and that's proof of anything except the Cap is going up and even low-scoring 2Cs are hard to find?

Compher never even hit 40 pts once in his career until he hit 50 as a 28 yr old on one of the top teams. Bennett woke up since he hit florida at 25 and and is basically a 20+ guy yearly now and is over a pt a game this season

They're not even close . Compher is a 2c here cause our team is bad. I dont even know who the sharks 2c is but just cause hes a 2c there doesn't automatically make him a 2c.

Compher will likely already be a 3c next season if kasper progresses and his stats will further decline, where as bennett will continue to be 2c

we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one cause neither of us are gonna change our minds here

newfy · 2024-11-02T08:06:54-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
I don't know what your trying to get at. I said he never hit anything close to 50 pts till he was on a very strong avs team... as a 28 year old ... did I lie??

He got 48 pts cause we had no one else to go top 6 cause we suck atm and rebuild not done . He'll be demoted when the kids come up soon and be a 30-40 pt guy. Are we suppose to pretend hes a legit top 6 guy cause be is atm

I dont get your point at all. You say he has never hit anything close to 50 points until he played for a strong avs team at 27*.... then you say the next year he only did it because he was on a very bad team.

Are you saying you only consider him a 50 point guy if he does it on a really middle of the pack team? He broke out offensively at 26ish, which is not surprising at all for a non-lottery pick. At 26 he paced for over 20 goals on a great team, 27 he hit 50 points on a great team, 28 he hit ~50 points on a rebuilding team.

But hes not a 50 point guy in the league is your point?

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-02T09:24:47-0400

newfy said:
I dont get your point at all. You say he has never hit anything close to 50 points until he played for a strong avs team at 27*.... then you say the next year he only did it because he was on a very bad team.

Are you saying you only consider him a 50 point guy if he does it on a really middle of the pack team? He broke out offensively at 26ish, which is not surprising at all for a non-lottery pick. At 26 he paced for over 20 goals on a great team, 27 he hit 50 points on a great team, 28 he hit ~50 points on a rebuilding team.

But hes not a 50 point guy in the league is your point?

26ish... he was 27 going on 28 .. go look at Colorado's roster that year. Who was Gonna take over that role that season? Rodrigues?cogliano? Newhook?

I'd say they're were no other options. Same like here. My point is hes not a top 2c and the reason he got 50 pts was cause those teams had no other options but to play him.

He'll go back to his 30-35 pt self in a year or 2 and drop down. You don't agree that's cool its your opinion. I also got sh*t for hating copp signing day 1 it happened and now everyone wants him gone

Will I always be right? Nope... I also dont care what ppl think. If you or others think hes the 2c we need to win, Cool

OldnotDeadWings · 2024-11-02T11:28:18-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one cause neither of us are gonna change our minds here

Sure. We're talking past each other anyway. You're spinning a narrative, I'm giving you facts. Your narrative is that Compher isn't a 50-point C, and I'm giving you the facts that he's been a 50-point C the previous two years. Your narrative is that he could only be a 2C on a garbage, bad team, I'm giving you the fact that in neither of the previous two seasons was his team a garbage team. You fall back on a narrative that looks into the future, when what happens in the future is irrelevant to the facts about the recent past.

My opinion is the same as yours in some respects. The Wings would need a significantly better 2C now to make much of a difference considering how many other issues they have, and definitely need a better 2C in the near future. The team has the same opinion, that's why they've recently drafted two Cs in the top 10. As for Compher, he's on a fair contract for a reasonable number of years and has so far, unlike other FAs, played up to his contract. He's not disappointing or under-performing, he's just a vanilla player that doesn't do a lot of exciting things but would play in the middle six, either at C or RW, for every team in the league. There are many bigger problems for the team than Compher.

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-02T12:58:48-0400

OldnotDeadWings said:
Sure. We're talking past each other anyway. You're spinning a narrative, I'm giving you facts. Your narrative is that Compher isn't a 50-point C, and I'm giving you the facts that he's been a 50-point C the previous two years. Your narrative is that he could only be a 2C on a garbage, bad team, I'm giving you the fact that in neither of the previous two seasons was his team a garbage team. You fall back on a narrative that looks into the future, when what happens in the future is irrelevant to the facts about the recent past.

My opinion is the same as yours in some respects. The Wings would need a significantly better 2C now to make much of a difference considering how many other issues they have, and definitely need a better 2C in the near future. The team has the same opinion, that's why they've recently drafted two Cs in the top 10. As for Compher, he's on a fair contract for a reasonable number of years and has so far, unlike other FAs, played up to his contract. He's not disappointing or under-performing, he's just a vanilla player that doesn't do a lot of exciting things but would play in the middle six, either at C or RW, for every team in the league. There are many bigger problems for the team than Compher.

ok cool ... like I said agree to disagree . Least we agree compher as 2 c wont cut it .

AlwaysSunnyInDetroit · 2024-11-02T13:31:26-0400

wingsfannn919191 said:
26ish... he was 27 going on 28 .. go look at Colorado's roster that year. Who was Gonna take over that role that season? Rodrigues?cogliano? Newhook?

I'd say they're were no other options. Same like here. My point is hes not a top 2c and the reason he got 50 pts was cause those teams had no other options but to play him.

He'll go back to his 30-35 pt self in a year or 2 and drop down. You don't agree that's cool its your opinion. I also got sh*t for hating copp signing day 1 it happened and now everyone wants him gone

Will I always be right? Nope... I also dont care what ppl think. If you or others think hes the 2c we need to win, Cool

it's hilarious that you think you're so good at predicting future results when you are clearly terrible at interpreting past results

wingsfannn919191 · 2024-11-02T13:47:27-0400

AlwaysSunnyInDetroit said:
it's hilarious that you think you're so good at predicting future results when you are clearly terrible at interpreting past results

Its hilarious you'd think I'd care about your opinion

SirKillalot · 2024-11-02T14:09:42-0400

Well, at least Brandsegg-Nygaard scored again.

ricky0034 · 2024-11-02T15:00:47-0400

SirKillalot said:
Well, at least Brandsegg-Nygaard scored again.

I think you're lost this is the prospect thread where we talk about guys like Compher not the senior league thread for old guys like MBN

SirKillalot · 2024-11-02T15:16:10-0400

ricky0034 said:
I think you're lost this is the prospect thread where we talk about guys like Compher not the senior league thread for old guys like MBN

Can't talk about people I can't spell nor pronounce in this thread.

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