Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[Holden Caufield]

Flint lost tonight 5-1

Lombardi scored the only goal… shorthanded.

 

[Filppula]

Flint lost tonight 5-1

Lombardi scored the only goal… shorthanded.

And 13/19 on draws.

 

[ChadS]

Flint lost tonight 5-1

Lombardi scored the only goal… shorthanded.

He must be playing a lot since he was on the ice for all 6 goals. Looked up his last 5 games and he's been on the ice for 21/40 of all goals.

Viro and Sebrango with 2 assists each in Toledo's 5-2 win. Cossa 18/20 saves.

 

[jaster]

Mastrosimone with 21p in 19gp.

Does he get a contract from the wings or does he walk?

I heard a rumor within the college hockey world that he intends to test free agency, so my hopes of him signing with Detroit are not very high. Then again, I can't substantiate the rumor, so fingers crossed.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I heard a rumor within the college hockey world that he intends to test free agency, so my hopes of him signing with Detroit are not very high. Then again, I can't substantiate the rumor, so fingers crossed.

The rumor makes sense. I doubt Detroit is going to sign him, and he gets some good coin.

I would include him in a trade with Arizona, nothing much.

 

[TCNorthstars]

The rumor makes sense. I doubt Detroit is going to sign him, and he gets some good coin.

I would include him in a trade with Arizona, nothing much.

He gets the same amount of money regardless of what team signs him.

 

[norrisnick]

He gets the same amount of money regardless of what team signs him.

Bonuses are in play. If there is a bidding war there will be a difference.

Fun fact, Raymond's contract has like $2.5M in potential bonuses every season. Seider's has $850k. Ray also gets $60K more per year in base salary.

Kasper and Edvinsson's ELCs are bigger than Mo's as well.

 

[ZDH]

Mazur is on tsn2 in an hour. Denver vs Lindenwood

 

[Holden Caufield]

Lombardi scored 2 even strength goals tonight in a 4-3 Flint loss.

 

[newfy]

Wasted pick

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Wasted pick

He was absolutely carried to that goal. That would never happen if...*checks*...he didn't have a teammate that could make an easy pass to him in the neutral zone.

BUST!

Lombardi scored 2 even strength goals tonight in a 4-3 Flint loss.

Hanas - Lombardi - Mazur line incoming to Grand Rapids. Hopefully we can get rid of that bum Ben Simon as coach.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

I'm hoping Kasper will be the next one to do so next year. Raymond and Kopitar were both significantly more productive as rookies in the NHL than they were in the Swedish league the previous season. They were both NHL rookies in their D+2 years.
Raymond scored 18 points in 34 (about a 44 point pace over 82 games) in Sweden before scoring 57 with the Wings the following year and Kopitar only scored 20 points in 47 games ((about a27 point pace over 72 games) before scoring 61 in 72 with the Kings the following.
Are there any other players who were more productive as NHL rookies than they were in their previous season in Sweden?

 

[norrisnick]

I'm hoping Kasper will be the next one to do so next year. Raymond and Kopitar were both significantly more productive as rookies in the NHL than they were in the Swedish league the previous season. They were both NHL rookies in their D+2 years.
Raymond scored 18 points in 34 (about a 44 point pace over 82 games) in Sweden before scoring 57 with the Wings the following year and Kopitar only scored 20 points in 47 games ((about a27 point pace over 72 games) before scoring 61 in 72 with the Kings the following.
Are there any other players who were more productive as NHL rookies than they were in their previous season in Sweden?

Most of them? Kids having low numbers is pretty much the Swedish trademark.

 

[Mister Ed]

Are there any other players who were more productive as NHL rookies than they were in their previous season in Sweden?

Zetterberg for one.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Zetterberg for one.

Zetterberg scored was more productive in Sweden than he was as a rookie with the Wings the following year
Zetterberg scored 32 points in 48 games in Sweden (53 pint pace over 79 games) the year before scoring 44 in 79 games as a rookie with the Wings

Most of them? Kids having low numbers is pretty much the Swedish trademark.

Name another other than Raymond and Kopitar

 

[Mister Ed]

Zetterberg scored was more productive in Sweden than he was as a rookie with the Wings the following year
Zetterberg scored 32 points in 48 games in Sweden (53 pint pace over 79 games) the year before scoring 44 in 79 games as a rookie with the Wings


Name another other than Raymond and Kopitar

My bad, I understood the opposite of what you said!

 

[norrisnick]

Zetterberg scored was more productive in Sweden than he was as a rookie with the Wings the following year
Zetterberg scored 32 points in 48 games in Sweden (53 pint pace over 79 games) the year before scoring 44 in 79 games as a rookie with the Wings


Name another other than Raymond and Kopitar

I mean, how many teenagers join the league out of Sweden? Sundin? Backstrom? Hedman? Dahlin?

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

I mean, how many teenagers join the league out of Sweden? Sundin? Backstrom? Hedman? Dahlin?

Elias Pettersson is another teenager to join the NHL out of Sweden but even though he almost scored a point a game (66 in 71) he was even more productive the previous year in Sweden on points per game basis scoring 56 in 44. Sundin is another one who was more productive in his rookie year in the NHL scoring 59 in 80 while only scoring 18 in 34 (about 43 in 80 pace) in Sweden the year before.
All of the ones mentioned so far (Sundin, Kopitar and Raymond) were teenagers but I wonder if there are others teenaged or older.
Lidstom although he was 21 is an obvious one I was forgetting having scored 60 in 80 as an NHL rookie after scoring 23 in 38 (48 in 80 pace) the previous year in Sweden

 

[Pavels Dog]

Name another other than Raymond and Kopitar

Seider had very similar if not higher production in the NHL.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'm hoping Kasper will be the next one to do so next year. Raymond and Kopitar were both significantly more productive as rookies in the NHL than they were in the Swedish league the previous season. They were both NHL rookies in their D+2 years.
Raymond scored 18 points in 34 (about a 44 point pace over 82 games) in Sweden before scoring 57 with the Wings the following year and Kopitar only scored 20 points in 47 games ((about a27 point pace over 72 games) before scoring 61 in 72 with the Kings the following.
Are there any other players who were more productive as NHL rookies than they were in their previous season in Sweden?

Consider the context here.

Here is SHL scoring by players that start the season as 18 year olds.

Marco Kasper is on pace for about 28 points which will tie him with Peter Forsberg for 8th all time for an 18 year old player. Points per game is currently at 25th all time and 39 PIMs is 22nd all time by an 18 year old with half a season left to play.

Kasper also has 9 points in 10 champions hockey league games. 23 points in 37 games so far while being his team's best forward most nights.

This kid is going to finish the season top 10 for 18 year olds in points and penalties. I love it.

 

[Mister Ed]

Oscar Plandowski moves to Moncton.

 

[Killerjas]

Gylander needs more love. 2.41 GAA and a .921% SV is quite good for a goalie playing for a lower tier NCAA team.

My favorite goalie prospect and quite a sleeper pick. Probably gets a 4th season at Uni, but there is no rush.

 

[jaster]

Gylander needs more love. 2.41 GAA and a .921% SV is quite good for a goalie playing for a lower tier NCAA team.

My favorite goalie prospect and quite a sleeper pick. Probably gets a 4th season at Uni, but there is no rush.

Gylander is nothing more than a curiosity for me so far. I hope he turns into something, but I'm a long-time college hockey fan, and the list of NCAA goalies who put up impressive numbers in college and then do absolutely squat as a pro is looooooong. And while he's got good numbers for a lower team, his QOC has been even lower, so he's really not been tested by an offensive powerhouse. I just can't get excited yet, but I'm certainly hoping for the best.

And if the Wings see something in him, they best sign him this year. If he goes back for his senior year, Detroit will likely lose his rights.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Gylander is nothing more than a curiosity for me so far. I hope he turns into something, but I'm a long-time college hockey fan, and the list of NCAA goalies who put up impressive numbers in college and then do absolutely squat as a pro is looooooong. And while he's got good numbers for a lower team, his QOC has been even lower, so he's really not been tested by an offensive powerhouse. I just can't get excited yet, but I'm certainly hoping for the best.

And if the Wings see something in him, they best sign him this year. If he goes back for his senior year, Detroit will likely lose his rights.

You can literally say that about the CHL and the U20 Swedish and junior leagues as well. The tip of the pyramid is very, very small for everyone.

 

[norrisnick]

You can literally say that about the CHL and the U20 Swedish and junior leagues as well. The tip of the pyramid is very, very small for everyone.

That's @jaster 's specialty. Not sure anyone is more skeptical of prospects than him.

Hope he hasn't stroked out from the comment in some other thread where Kasper was described as being expected to produce 60-90pts.