Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Cossa stays on his heater... 26 Save Shutout in Game 2... Back-to-Back Shutouts for the big fella

How about a .957 SV% and 3 SOs in 6 Games

Only 50% shutout rate. What a bust!!!

 

[bedtime20]

Cossa stays on his heater... 26 Save Shutout in Game 2... Back-to-Back Shutouts for the big fella

How about a .957 SV% and 3 SOs in 6 Games

Brodeur 2.0

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Cossa's performance in these playoffs makes me feel better about that pick.

 

[jkutswings]

Cossa's performance in these playoffs makes me feel better about that pick.

As each of Yzerman's first rounders continues to play and develop, I'm borderline stunned at how successful they are.

Maybe ONE of Seider or Raymond will make the team right away, but not both.

Oh.

Well clearly on this roster they'll take their lumps. It's not like either will be anywhere near the Calder.

Oh.

Yeah, but that's like lightning striking in the same place twice. They're due for something less remarkable, so Edvinsson will probably have a ho-hum year in Sweden.

Oh.

Ok, NOW things will finally regress to the mean. Cossa has plenty of potential, but the kid isn't torching playoff teams or anything.

Oh.

But they couldn't possibly continue that run with their 2022 first rounder...

Oh?

 

[SCD]

Cossa's performance in these playoffs makes me feel better about that pick.

Then he will have a down stretch and people will be all over Yzerman again.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Cossa's performance in these playoffs makes me feel better about that pick.

6 games shouldn’t drastically sway your opinion this much. He’s a goalie, they have a long development curve.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

As each of Yzerman's first rounders continues to play and develop, I'm borderline stunned at how successful they are.

Maybe ONE of Seider or Raymond will make the team right away, but not both.

Oh.

Well clearly on this roster they'll take their lumps. It's not like either will be anywhere near the Calder.

Oh.

Yeah, but that's like lightning striking in the same place twice. They're due for something less remarkable, so Edvinsson will probably have a ho-hum year in Sweden.

Oh.

Ok, NOW things will finally regress to the mean. Cossa has plenty of potential, but the kid isn't torching playoff teams or anything.

Oh.

But they couldn't possibly continue that run with their 2022 first rounder...

Oh?

I’ve been pretty vocal about my skepticism of the Cossa pick but I’m very happy to see him doing so well after an up and down year. I’m hoping he can continue this trend into next year.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Cossa's performance in these playoffs makes me feel better about that pick.

Next round will be a lot more telling than these two cupcakes.

 

[lilidk]

As each of Yzerman's first rounders continues to play and develop, I'm borderline stunned at how successful they are.

Maybe ONE of Seider or Raymond will make the team right away, but not both.

Oh.

Well clearly on this roster they'll take their lumps. It's not like either will be anywhere near the Calder.

Oh.

Yeah, but that's like lightning striking in the same place twice. They're due for something less remarkable, so Edvinsson will probably have a ho-hum year in Sweden.

Oh.

Ok, NOW things will finally regress to the mean. Cossa has plenty of potential, but the kid isn't torching playoff teams or anything.

Oh.

But they couldn't possibly continue that run with their 2022 first rounder...

Oh?

It's probably more Draper than Yzerman picks

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

The only thing about Cossa that gives me pause is if you watch him, it's like he goes out of his way not to use his glove. He'll sometimes do weird stuff like instead of catching a puck on his glove side, he'll move further over and let it hit his pads instead. Which can contribute to him leaving more rebounds than he should. NHL players are going to pick that high glove side over and over again if he doesn't work on that.

You can see some of that here.

 

[golffuul]

The only thing about Cossa that gives me pause is if you watch him, it's like he goes out of his way not to use his glove. He'll sometimes do weird stuff like instead of catching a puck on his glove side, he'll move further over and let it hit his pads instead. Which can contribute to him leaving more rebounds than he should. NHL players are going to pick that high glove side over and over again if he doesn't work on that.

You can see some of that here.

One thing I would caution is that Cossa's season looks as if it has about three different phases. It's clear that after the WJC he set out to make some changes to his game and so I would probably look at his last 10-ish starts and then his playoff run, thus far, to see what the state of his game currently is.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

It's probably more Draper than Yzerman picks

Never mind that all the "over performing" picks were Hakan picks out of Europe and our NA scouting is still disappointing.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Duh lol

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Never mind that all the "over performing" picks were Hakan picks out of Europe and our NA scouting is still disappointing.

Yeah, there are probably 3 NA picks that haven't disappointed yet; Cossa, Mazur and Buium. Pretty much all the 19 and 20 NA players look to be very...mediocre. I still have hope Mastrosimone can turn it around. Hanas to me just seems like the kind of AAAA level player. A good minor league scorer who can play 4th line for a few games in a pinch.

 

[golffuul]

Yeah, there are probably 3 NA picks that haven't disappointed yet; Cossa, Mazur and Buium. Pretty much all the 19 and 20 NA players look to be very...mediocre. I still have hope Mastrosimone can turn it around. Hanas to me just seems like the kind of AAAA level player. A good minor league scorer who can play 4th line for a few games in a pinch.

Hanas reminds me a lot of Jeff Hoggan. Great leadership. Toughness. Decent skill. Just not NHL level at this point.

 

[Frk It]

Someone should tell our Director of Amateur Scouting he only gets credit for NA picks, he might tell Yzerman to draft differently.

 

[USMarine]

Then he will have a down stretch and people will be all over Yzerman again.

Cossa reg season: 2.28, 0.913
Wallstedt reg season: 1.98, 0.918

Cossa post season: 1.00, 0.957
Wallstedt post season: 0.00, 1.000

SY went with Draper when he should have Anderssoned. Big mistake Stephen.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Cossa reg season: 2.28, 0.913
Wallstedt reg season: 1.98, 0.918

Cossa post season: 1.00, 0.957
Wallstedt post season: 0.00, 1.000

SY went with Draper when he should have Anderssoned. Big mistake Stephen.

This has gotta be either satire or a troll lol

 

[USMarine]

This has gotta be either satire or a troll lol

Not only are wallstuffs numbers better - he's doing it in a mens league. I have a feeling SY would like a do over on that pick right about now.

 

[MTU hockey]

Someone should tell our Director of Amateur Scouting he only gets credit for NA picks, he might tell Yzerman to draft differently.

I know you're joking but are you not at all concerned about the lack draft success out of NA the past 10 years? I mean more than half of NHL players are from NA, seems like a pretty big pool of talent to be missing out on. Granted we don't have much of a track record to judge Draper on, he could be turning it around but only time will tell.

 

[lomekian]

Not only are wallstuffs numbers better - he's doing it in a mens league. I have a feeling SY would like a do over on that pick right about now.

Its about upside. There is no doubt the Swede is better now. I think everyone believed he was more developed going into the draft, Difference is Cossa is bigger and more athletic. Walstedt is more well rounded and positionally sound. Cossa, who is still performing to a very good level has better tools while the Swede has a a better toolbox.

Me, I liked Wallstedt more last year, but if Cossa can develop his fundamental to the same level, he could be the better goalie due to raw tools.

It will be interesting, but if Cossa can keep up his habit of the last 2 years of elevating his game as the stakes rise, we're still a long way off buyers remorse.

 

[Frk It]

I know you're joking but are you not at all concerned about the lack draft success out of NA the past 10 years? I mean more than half of NHL players are from NA, seems like a pretty big pool of talent to be missing out on. Granted we don't have much of a track record to judge Draper on, he could be turning it around but only time will tell.

I care about getting good players, and don’t really care where they’re from.

We just had 2 kids compete for the Calder, 2 kids picked while Draper was running the Amateur scouting department.

I know this board lives in a world where Hakan watches all the European players and 0 seconds of anyone else, and Draper watches North American players and 0 seconds of anyone else, and they just live in these silos and not part of a highly collaborative unit… but that’s not the real world. Draper’s job is to take information from ALL his scouts and present that to the GM. And a lot of times the NA alternative to the Euro player hasn’t been the optimal choice where we’ve been picking for a number of reasons.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Not only are wallstuffs numbers better - he's doing it in a mens league. I have a feeling SY would like a do over on that pick right about now.

They picked Cossa because he was the most explosive athlete and has a higher ceiling. There were other scouting agencies with different orders. Hockey Prospectus which is one of those gold standard scouting services for instance had Cossa at 7 well in front of Wallstedt. He didn't have a spectacular year in my opinion. But he has tons of stuff to be excited about. He is a monster and he would move well if he were 6'2" but he is 6'6". I actually like that he is an athlete. Injuries worry me given his style, but he even somewhat flashes puck handling ability. He is kind of a unique guy, I see why they like him. Was he a Knight or Askarov. No but they took two big homerun cuts. They also went with Edvinsson who was a huge homerun cut. I appreciate Yzerman doing that. We need stars and we might not get to draft in the top 5 anymore. Seider is a star, let's see on some of these guys now.

 

[USMarine]

Its about upside. There is no doubt the Swede is better now. I think everyone believed he was more developed going into the draft, Difference is Cossa is bigger and more athletic. Walstedt is more well rounded and positionally sound. Cossa, who is still performing to a very good level has better tools while the Swede has a a better toolbox.

Me, I liked Wallstedt more last year, but if Cossa can develop his fundamental to the same level, he could be the better goalie due to raw tools.

It will be interesting, but if Cossa can keep up his habit of the last 2 years of elevating his game as the stakes rise, we're still a long way off buyers remorse.

They picked Cossa because he was the most explosive athlete and has a higher ceiling. There were other scouting agencies with different orders. Hockey Prospectus which is one of those gold standard scouting services for instance had Cossa at 7 well in front of Wallstedt. He didn't have a spectacular year in my opinion. But he has tons of stuff to be excited about. He is a monster and he would move well if he were 6'2" but he is 6'6". I actually like that he is an athlete. Injuries worry me given his style, but he even somewhat flashes puck handling ability. He is kind of a unique guy, I see why they like him. Was he a Knight or Askarov. No but they took two big homerun cuts. They also went with Edvinsson who was a huge homerun cut. I appreciate Yzerman doing that. We need stars and we might not get to draft in the top 5 anymore. Seider is a star, let's see on some of these guys now.

I did like Cossa's interview after being drafted. Seemed very confident, smart, thoughtful, and well spoken. I know Yzerman likes personality guys too.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I know you're joking but are you not at all concerned about the lack draft success out of NA the past 10 years? I mean more than half of NHL players are from NA, seems like a pretty big pool of talent to be missing out on. Granted we don't have much of a track record to judge Draper on, he could be turning it around but only time will tell.

The Wings make no mistakes, missing the playoffs for 7 years is a feature, not a bug.