Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[norrisnick]

He was eligible for the 2021 draft.

Buch was, not Artamonov.

 

[wingerdinger]

He was eligible for the 2021 draft.

Sorry thought we were talking about Artamonov.

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[RRhoads]

Buch was, not Artamonov.

I was talking about Buch of course.why would I be talking about Artamonov?

 

[norrisnick]

I was talking about Buch of course.why would I be talking about Artamonov?

Because that's who the overager comment was about?

 

[RRhoads]

Because that's who the overager comment was about?

It must be that I am blocking someone, because everything was about Buch until I mentioned he was an overager.

RedHawkDawn mentioned Artamanov, but that's not who I quoted.

I guess the misunderstanding is cleared up though.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Buchelnikov Nears KHL Scoring Lead

Red Wings draftee one point off top spot

detroithockeynow.com

 

[Konnan511]

The scoring is nice, but I LOVE reading this as well:
“Almost every time Buchelnikov appears on the ice, he is superbly active both with and without the puck,” noted KHL TV commentator Anton Vasyatin. “Now he is a key player for the team.”

Recent analytics provided by the KHL Smart Puck show Buchelnikov and Maxim Mamin of CSKA Moscow as the faster skaters in the KHL. Each has displayed a top seed of 39.5 km/h. He’s also among the most accurate passers in the league. He accurately connected on 335 of his passes.

 

[Twinger]

This is really good news about Butch. I see hes under contract for 25-26 season with Vityaz
Is he expected to play that out then cross the pond for 26-27?

 

[Holden Caufield]

Finnie stays hot with 2 more goals on Sunday. Kid has a good looking shot.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858344071799919012

 

[GoBoltz56]

This is really good news about Butch. I see hes under contract for 25-26 season with Vityaz
Is he expected to play that out then cross the pond for 26-27?

Depends on who you ask. But I think the "wink wink" expectation is that he will be in North America NEXT season.

 

[lilidk]

Depends on who you ask. But I think the "wink wink" expectation is that he will be in North America NEXT season.

In couple occasions KHL players just brake their contracts and moved to NHL, Mitchkov was one of them.

Derek Barach - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Derek Barach, 1995-02-27 Glenmont, NY, USA USA. Most recently in the KHL with Vityaz Moscow Region. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Is his linemate and could help Buchelnikov to adopt in N A. GR should get both of them next season

 

[wingsfannn919191]

In couple occasions KHL players just brake their contracts and moved to NHL, Mitchkov was one of them.

Derek Barach - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Derek Barach, 1995-02-27 Glenmont, NY, USA USA. Most recently in the KHL with Vityaz Moscow Region. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Is his linemate and could help Buchelnikov to adopt in N A. GR should get both of them next season

He'll probably go back to Russia if he doesn't make the roster. He'll be 22 so if hes good enough to make the team and has a good camp I'd have np putting him in

We dont need to have every prospect rot in the ahl till 23-24

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

So like…buch has the skill set to become a superstar lol.

 

[newfy]

Depends on who you ask. But I think the "wink wink" expectation is that he will be in North America NEXT season.

I haven't seen anywhere suggest this but if he can make the team, go for it. I wouldnt be surprised if he played another year in the KHL and walked onto Detroit the year after though. I don't think a KHL superstar is going to come ride the bus in the AHL when he's still got a year on his contract over there.

Him clocking the fastest speed in the league is a nice development too

 

[HoweFan]

I haven't seen anywhere suggest this but if he can make the team, go for it. I wouldnt be surprised if he played another year in the KHL and walked onto Detroit the year after though. I don't think a KHL superstar is going to come ride the bus in the AHL when he's still got a year on his contract over there.

Him clocking the fastest speed in the league is a nice development too

I hope it’s more than a wink. Changes have to be made now. Personnel and coaching. Outshot every game eexcept a couple and we lost those. Underperforming vets need to be replaced. At least the kids would show enthusiasm. Problem with my theory now is the two I want up more than anyone else from the Griffs are hurt, Mazur and Wallinder

 

[GoBoltz56]

I haven't seen anywhere suggest this but if he can make the team, go for it. I wouldnt be surprised if he played another year in the KHL and walked onto Detroit the year after though. I don't think a KHL superstar is going to come ride the bus in the AHL when he's still got a year on his contract over there.

Him clocking the fastest speed in the league is a nice development too

Well of course you haven't "seen" it. How many KHL prospects come to their NHL city to train, for a tour and to meet management before even signing a contract? He's leading his team in scoring and 3rd in KHL scoring, do you think Yzerman will let him sit there another year when there are multiple recent examples of good young players getting out of their contracts and coming over? Him getting out from under SKA was a huge step and makes it easier to leave.

 

[minimal]

Half-baked speculation on my part, but I wonder if having another Russian in Tarasenko next year is partly about giving Buch the chance to be comfortable with a fellow native around.

 

[lilidk]

Half-baked speculation on my part, but I wonder if having another Russian in Tarasenko next year is partly about giving Buch the chance to be comfortable with a fellow native around.

I hope we trade Tarasenko and get something like second. For next season I hope Lombardi, Danielson and Mazur all in NHL. I just don't see too many Rockies in the team at same time

 

[wingsfannn919191]

I hope we trade Tarasenko and get something like second. For next season I hope Lombardi, Danielson and Mazur all in NHL. I just don't see too many Rockies in the team at same time

You don't see too many rookies same time but you named 3 lol . I think theyll leave lombardi down another year to get stronger . Pelikka might be ready + buchelnikov ... we have no choice ... soderblom probably gone but also now or never ... all yzermans doing

Debrincat larkin raymond
Buchelnikov kasper compher
Mazur danielson copp
Rasmussen veleno ?

Edvinsson Seider
Chiarot Pellika
? Trouba(if revisted+ need to add salary)
?

Talbot
Cossa

 

[Gniwder]

In couple occasions KHL players just brake their contracts and moved to NHL, Mitchkov was one of them.

Derek Barach - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Derek Barach, 1995-02-27 Glenmont, NY, USA USA. Most recently in the KHL with Vityaz Moscow Region. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Is his linemate and could help Buchelnikov to adopt in N A. GR should get both of them next season

They're not breaking their contract, they negotiate a contract termination.

Michkov:

Matvei Michkov's KHL contract officially terminated, will join Flyers

SKA St. Petersburg forward Matvei Michkov is set to have his KHL contract terminated and will join Philadelphia this off-season, the Russian club announced on Tuesday.

www.sportsnet.ca

Miroshnichenko:

Ivan Miroshnichenko Terminates KHL Contract

Avangard Hockey Club and Washington Capitals first round draft pick Ivan Miroshnichenko have agreed to a mutual contract termination, according to the club’s official website.

novacapsfans.com

The NHL doesn't have a transfer agreement with the KHL, but I would guess there's money involved. KHL teams aren't gonna let their players walk for free, and young kids aren't gonna have the money to buy out their own contract. So it's probably up to Stevie and Chris....

 

[Gniwder]

You don't see too many rookies same time but you named 3 lol . I think theyll leave lombardi down another year to get stronger . Pelikka might be ready + buchelnikov ... we have no choice ... soderblom probably gone but also now or never ... all yzermans doing

Debrincat larkin raymond
Buchelnikov kasper compher
Mazur danielson copp
Rasmussen veleno ?

Edvinsson Seider
Chiarot Pellika
? Trouba(if revisted+ need to add salary)
?

Talbot
Cossa

You left out Burger and AlJo. Tank has another year on his contract. Holl and Gus do as well. Even then, that looks like another lineup that won't see the playoffs.

Debrincat Larkin Raymond
Burger Kasper Buchelnikov MBN
Danielson Compher Tank
Rasmussen Copp Veleno
Mazur

Edvinsson Seider
Chiarot Pellika
AlJo Holl/Gus

Talbot
Cossa

Edit: Given what the roster looks like, I think MBN has a better chance of making the team than Buch.

 

[RRhoads]

The NHL doesn't have a transfer agreement with the KHL, but I would guess there's money involved. KHL teams aren't gonna let their players walk for free, and young kids aren't gonna have the money to buy out their own contract. So it's probably up to Stevie and Chris....

The player have to negotiate and pay for their own buy out. It is because of salary cap reasons, I believe.

 

[wingsfannn919191]

You left out Burger and AlJo. Tank has another year on his contract. Holl and Gus do as well. Even then, that looks like another lineup that won't see the playoffs.

Debrincat Larkin Raymond
Burger Kasper Buchelnikov MBN
Danielson Compher Tank
Rasmussen Copp Veleno
Mazur

Edvinsson Seider
Chiarot Pellika
AlJo Holl/Gus

Talbot
Cossa

Edit: Given what the roster looks like, I think MBN has a better chance of making the team than Buch.

Forgot about berggren and albert but considering hes on the 4th line again after playing good wouldnt surprise me to see him gone.

I'd say if buchelnikov continues to light it up he has a better chance (unless his contract says otherwise)

Nygard hasn't been lighting it up and I can see him being delayed a year so we dont have another top 15 pick turn into a bottom line guy

Buchelnikov mazur danielson pelikka cossa next year (provided pelikka buch cossa continue to play all out)

Nygard lombardi wallinder/buium in 2 yrs

wouldnt shock me to see a mazur wallinder/buium lombardi soderblom berggren be involved in a big deal at some point ... way too many guys

You left out Burger and AlJo. Tank has another year on his contract. Holl and Gus do as well. Even then, that looks like another lineup that won't see the playoffs.

Debrincat Larkin Raymond
Burger Kasper Buchelnikov MBN
Danielson Compher Tank
Rasmussen Copp Veleno
Mazur

Edvinsson Seider
Chiarot Pellika
AlJo Holl/Gus

Talbot
Cossa

Edit: Given what the roster looks like, I think MBN has a better chance of making the team than Buch.

Forgot about berggren and albert but considering hes on the 4th line again after playing good wouldnt surprise me to see him gone.

I'd say if buchelnikov continues to light it up he has a better chance (unless his contract says otherwise)

Nygard hasn't been lighting it up and I can see him being delayed a year so we dont have another top 15 pick turn into a bottom line guy

Buchelnikov mazur danielson pelikka cossa next year (provided pelikka buch cossa continue to play all out)

Nygard lombardi wallinder/buium in 2 yrs

wouldnt shock me to see a mazur wallinder/buium lombardi soderblom berggren be involved in a big deal at some point ... way too many guys

 

[Gniwder]

The player have to negotiate and pay for their own buy out. It is because of salary cap reasons, I believe.

US sanctions on Russia because of the Ukraine invasion. NHL terminated their MoU with the KHL because of that. (I looked it up, I forgot all about the war, lol.)

 

[Gniwder]

Forgot about berggren and albert but considering hes on the 4th line again after playing good wouldnt surprise me to see him gone.

I'd say if buchelnikov continues to light it up he has a better chance (unless his contract says otherwise)

Nygard hasn't been lighting it up and I can see him being delayed a year so we dont have another top 15 pick turn into a bottom line guy

Buchelnikov mazur danielson pelikka cossa next year (provided pelikka buch cossa continue to play all out)

Nygard lombardi wallinder/buium in 2 yrs

wouldnt shock me to see a mazur wallinder/buium lombardi soderblom berggren be involved in a big deal at some point ... way too many guys

Burger and AlJo are RFA, and considering how bad the recent UFA signings have been, Stevie might as well keep his RFAs and not go dumpster diving for more garbage UFAs.

A collection of spare parts can't be traded for big talent. That just doesn't happen.

The more likely scenario is that the crappy UFA signings get buried in GR if the prospects make the NHL roster. We've already seen that with Holl and Husso.