Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[Realgud]

LOCK!

Guy plays on the USNTDP and under national teams and he is somehow a stretch in the top 50? The guy has never scored a goal on the national team. That isn't his role and anyone expecting it doesn't follow the game. He was drafted as a 3rd pairing and PK, keep the flies off D'man. He should focus on his skating, first pass and Defense. Shot... nope. Weights and Kocur mentoring.

Brady Cleveland - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Brady Cleveland, 2005-04-01 Wausau, WI, USA USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Colorado College. Complete player biography and stats.

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Hey, I just posted a screenshot of a single NCAA team where the 3 players at the bottom (with 0 points between them) happened to be Red Wings prospects and I thought it was funny, that's all. That wasn't all about Cleveland lol, there's Mehlenbacher and Stange in there too

Btw, I had Cleveland in my final 150. I think he was picked extremely high based on the strength of the draft especially on offense, but I don't hate the player at all. There's a very good chance he makes it imo but I fail to see the value of what, I believe, to be that of a 5th/6th or 7th defenseman in the top 50. You can usually get those types of players in FA. But hopefully the Wings picked him where they did because they think there's more to his game and his play with the puck has the potential to evolve. Time will tell! I hope he becomes a player for us.

 

[Gniwder]

You just don't pay attention at all!

Hall of Famer defensive defenseman = Terrible draft pick. Dime a dozen in free agency.

Undersized forward with hands that ends up with a career in Europe = Great draft pick. Gotta go for the home run. Shoot your shot Stevie. Skill.

Wow, you gonna go there with Cleveland?!?! I understand you're trying to be sarcastic, but man that's way over the top.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Hey, I just posted a screenshot of a single NCAA team where the 3 players at the bottom (with 0 points between them) happened to be Red Wings prospects and I thought it was funny, that's all. That wasn't all about Cleveland lol, there's Mehlenbacher and Stange in there too

Btw, I had Cleveland in my final 150. I think he was picked extremely high based on the strength of the draft especially on offense, but I don't hate the player at all. There's a very good chance he makes it imo but I fail to see the value of what, I believe, to be that of a 5th/6th or 7th defenseman in the top 50. You can usually get those types of players in FA. But hopefully the Wings picked him where they did because they think there's more to his game and his play with the puck has the potential to evolve. Time will tell! I hope he becomes a player for us.

You can, but you need to be comfortable spending $3.4mm on Justin Holl and $4.75mm on Ben Chiarot. Personally I will take cost control anywhere I can get it considering how difficult it is to find full-time NHL players outside of the first round.

I am not suggesting that you should over draft this profile like we did with Cleveland. You should not. That said, you can't ignore it all together on draft day either.

 

[RedHawkDown]

If Cleveland can make the NHL as a bruiser who defends well he would be a perfect #5 by the time we are a contender. A guy like Gudas in the playoffs is very helpful to keep other teams from running us

 

[SantosHalper]

Interesting CHL final, Skellefteå vs Geneve-Servette. ASP vs Filppula, first crown for ASP or another notch on Filppula's belt? February 20th, hopefully ASP will be healthy then.

Filppula scored 2 goals, includin a game winner. Still got it.

 

[Electric Eric]

Interesting CHL final, Skellefteå vs Geneve-Servette. ASP vs Filppula, first crown for ASP or another notch on Filppula's belt? February 20th, hopefully ASP will be healthy then.

Filppula scored 2 goals, includin a game winner. Still got it.

Guy has had a pretty incredible career for being a dude that never was much of a star.

 

[lilidk]

Guy has had a pretty incredible career for being a dude that never was much of a star.

But was very important for Red Wings, too bad he wasn't resigned

 

[barriers]

A goal is a goal

 

[Konnan511]

Guy has had a pretty incredible career for being a dude that never was much of a star.

Any chance he get's into Finland Hockey Hall of Fame?

 

[SantosHalper]

Any chance he get's into Finland Hockey Hall of Fame?

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He's basically in it already. There seems to be 2 year waiting period first, after retirement.
Finnish Hockey Hall of Fame - Wikipedia

 

[Christien]

Looks like Danielson made it to Portland. Could possibly see him in their lineup for tonight's game

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Any chance he get's into Finland Hockey Hall of Fame?

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100%.

If Filppula is playing over in Europe, does he still count as a Wings prospect?

 

[wingerdinger]

100%.

If Filppula is playing over in Europe, does he still count as a Wings prospect?

wings overripening there prospects is really getting out of hand.

 

[Killerjas]

Man, karma has swung and hit Mastrosimone and Petruzzelli hard. Both doing absolutely nothing in the AHL

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Man, karma has swung and hit Mastrosimone and Petruzzelli hard. Both doing absolutely nothing in the AHL

A lot of Detroit picks are doing jack shit this year.

 

[lidstromiscool]

If Cleveland can make the NHL as a bruiser who defends well he would be a perfect #5 by the time we are a contender. A guy like Gudas in the playoffs is very helpful to keep other teams from running us

You are way overestimating Cleveland as a prospect. He's a poor mans Mike McKee with worse offense. Oscar Molgaard was right there for the taking

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[Gniwder]

A lot of Detroit picks are doing jack shit this year.

All 3 at Wisconsin still at zero points.

You are way overestimating Cleveland as a prospect. He's a poor mans Mike McKee with worse offense. Oscar Molgaard was right there for the taking

Some people don't understand the concept of zero. Any one of us could hit the ice and provide as much offense, lol, and I can barely even walk this week.

 

[Gniwder]

You are way overestimating Cleveland as a prospect. He's a poor mans Mike McKee with worse offense. Oscar Molgaard was right there for the taking

Selected by the Kraken of course. They are heavily into analytics, especially for draft choices so they wind up picking prospects that fans like. For example, I mentioned David Goyette the previous draft. Tearing it up in the O.

Wings need to pick BPA, if a guy like Gudas is necessary, Stevie can always sign one in free agency or trade for one. Stevie is realgud at trading, the draft should be used to accumulate tradeable assets so Stevie can fleece other GMs. Cleveland is not a tradeable asset, Molgaard certainly is.

 

[izlez]

Selected by the Kraken of course. They are heavily into analytics, especially for draft choices so they wind up picking prospects that fans like. For example, I mentioned David Goyette the previous draft. Tearing it up in the O.

Wings need to pick BPA, if a guy like Gudas is necessary, Stevie can always sign one in free agency or trade for one. Stevie is realgud at trading, the draft should be used to accumulate tradeable assets so Stevie can fleece other GMs. Cleveland is not a tradeable asset, Molgaard certainly is.

Outside of players taken in the top 2, the Kraken have 26 NHL man games played in the history of the franchise. What point are you trying to make and what in god's green earth does fan approval have to do with quality of draft pick?

Follow up question: If fan approval matters, what percentage of Red Wings' fans do you think have heard of Oskar Fisker-Molgaard?

 

[Konnan511]

Outside of players taken in the top 2, the Kraken have 26 NHL man games played in the history of the franchise. What point are you trying to make and what in god's green earth does fan approval have to do with quality of draft pick?

Follow up question: If fan approval matters, what percentage of Red Wings' fans do you think have heard of Oskar Fisker-Molgaard?

I looked up OFM, because I never heard of him. I look at his stats before he was drafted and I think to myself, "holy hell, those are great stats, this seems like a good pick". When we drafted Cleveland, I looked at his stats and I thought to myself "Holy hell, this guy sucks. I guess he's big, so that's cool. Not happy with this pick".

I have never watched either of these players, nor have I heard of Cleveland and OFM at the time of the draft (didn't know about OFM, until this exact moment). One player gets me excited, the other is a f***ing bummer.

I don't know how to fly a helicopter, but if I saw one stuck in a tree, I know someone f***ed up.

 

[izlez]

I looked up OFM, because I never heard of him. I look at his stats before he was drafted and I think to myself, "holy hell, those are great stats, this seems like a good pick". When we drafted Cleveland, I looked at his stats and I thought to myself "Holy hell, this guy sucks. I guess he's big, so that's cool. Not happy with this pick".

I have never watched either of these players, nor have I heard of Cleveland and OFM at the time of the draft (didn't know about OFM, until this exact moment). One player gets me excited, the other is a f***ing bummer.

I don't know how to fly a helicopter, but if I saw one stuck in a tree, I know someone f***ed up.

And what if I told you that looking at Cleveland's draft profile excites me and OFM's bums me out?

 

[Gniwder]

Outside of players taken in the top 2, the Kraken have 26 NHL man games played in the history of the franchise. What point are you trying to make and what in god's green earth does fan approval have to do with quality of draft pick?

Follow up question: If fan approval matters, what percentage of Red Wings' fans do you think have heard of Oskar Fisker-Molgaard?

I meant the fans here. Your typical hockey fan doesn't look at draft prospects. All of my Michigan friends are Wings fans, I think maybe 1 or 2% look at prospects at all.

As for the Kraken, they pick based on analytics. Most of their prospects are doing well in their league. Look at the '21 draft, first rounder is a full time NHLer, 2nd and 3rd rounders have played in the NHL, and the 4th and 5th rounders are in the AHL.

What more could you ask for with draft picks? Certainly better than picking zeroes.

 

[Konnan511]

And what if I told you that looking at Cleveland's draft profile excites me and OFM's bums me out?

I'd say, you're allowed to feel any way you'd like. People have varying opinions and liking one prospect and not liking one prospect is perfectly reasonable. What specifically about Cleveland excites you and what specifically about OFM bums you out? I'd genuinely like to know.

When I read this as his profile: "Corey Pronman - The Athletic - May 30th: "Cleveland is the type of big, hyper-physical, "mean as hell" type of defenseman that NHL teams covet. He skates quite well for a big man too. He would be a highly-rated prospect if he had any offense, but he has very little puck game."". That, unfortunately, bums me out. Physical Big Man who skates well for someone his size with no offense, isn't exactly a promising prospect, especially with his previous and current production, in my personal opinion.

Then I read OFM's draft profile: "Mølgaard is all about the details. In the defensive zone, the Danish forward scans regularly, registers primary and secondary threats, positions himself well to take away passes, skates through opponents’ releases to disrupt shots, and is intelligent enough to keep up with defensive rotations. Offensively, he drives the inside off-puck to create space, supports his linemates, finds outlets under pressure, and puts in yeoman’s work on retrievals. That would excite me as a fan of the team who drafted him. I read this and see his production past and present and I, personally, think he's a non-bummer of a prospect.

Have a great weekend

 

[norrisnick]

And what if I told you that looking at Cleveland's draft profile excites me and OFM's bums me out?

I'd say there are better sports than hockey to follow that more closely align with your interests.

 

[izlez]

I'd say, you're allowed to feel any way you'd like. People have varying opinions and liking one prospect and not liking one prospect is perfectly reasonable. What specifically about Cleveland excites you and what specifically about OFM bums you out? I'd genuinely like to know.

I mean, ultimately my point was that I'm not interested in taking a poll of fans who admit they literally have no idea who these people are.

You liking a player-type that is undersized that "skates through opponents’ releases to disrupt shots" vs someone else liking a player type that is big for the NHL that is "hyper physical" hold equal value as opinions, and those are both probably zero.

There are good NHL players that are super small that rely on shiftyness and IQ. There are guys that are super small that rely on shiftyness and IQ that never make it past peewee.

There are good NHL players that are big and physical with limited offensive talent. There are guys that are big and physical with limited offensive talent that never make it past peewee.

Evaluating the individual is important in predicting where they land in that huge spectrum. Everyone has very strong on Cleveland, yet I don't know that a single person on here has even claimed to see Brady Cleveland play more than precisely 13 minutes and 9 seconds of hockey