Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[DeletedAccountt]

I would hope not. An 04 that would still cost assets but most likely doesn't have upside.

Won't cost much. Heard Toms asked out. His value is low. Probably a 4th and 5th or something, if true.

 

[windsor7]

Won't cost much. Heard Toms asked out. His value is low. Probably a 4th and 5th or something, if true.

Trade him for 77.
Nothing more.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

Trade him for 77.
Nothing more.

Might not even be 2 picks.

 

[OHLTG]

He's not a guy I'd have targeted but, if it's a mid-to-late-round pick down the road, might be worth a shot.

Edit: Deal confirmed. Toms for a 12th in 2025.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

Done deal

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Won't cost much. Heard Toms asked out. His value is low. Probably a 4th and 5th or something, if true.

I just view that the Spits D is terrible. Toms being acquired doesn't mean the Spits D is good. It likely will still be bad. For some though terrible to bad is an improvement because it's all relative in the end.

8,7,11,7
6,6,6

That's what the team has allowed in over half their games. Keep in mind the times they gave up 6 were EN goals but still you gave up 5 and you're not winning that way.

If we are being honest about Bowler and the D I think it's quite clear he's not capable of building a very good D. He can find pieces here and there but collectively he can't build a good D roster. Then the aftershocks are felt when a D coach has to coach it up to chicken salad and you really have chicken....

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I just view that the Spits D is terrible. Toms being acquired doesn't mean the Spits D is good. It likely will still be bad. For some though terrible to bad is an improvement because it's all relative in the end.

8,7,11,7
6,6,6

That's what the team has allowed in over half their games. Keep in mind the times they gave up 6 were EN goals but still you gave up 5 and you're not winning that way.

If we are being honest about Bowler and the D I think it's quite clear he's not capable of building a very good D. He can find pieces here and there but collectively he can't build a good D roster. Then the aftershocks are felt when a D coach has to coach it up to chicken salad and you really have chicken....

It will not be better, that's for sure

 

[windsor7]

Done deal

Is this a lateral pick Bowler??

 

[ohloutsider]

Ya it's not going to "save the day" but at least some experience. Does it change anything, maybe not but giving a kid a fresh start might be good for him and maybe the Spits will benefit. Worth a shot at that price.

I'm sure the Spits are not done yet. Retool years are tough for all involved.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Ya it's not going to "save the day" but at least some experience. Does it change anything, maybe not but giving a kid a fresh start might be good for him and maybe the Spits will benefit. Worth a shot at that price.

I'm sure the Spits are not done yet. Retool years are tough for all involved.

My issue is I don't believe this addresses the overall roster. It's just bringing in a 19 year old who shouldn't sniff an OA spot next year. Look at the most talented D on the roster even watching him now there are so many bad habits creeping in and laziness in his play. The longer poor D continues it becomes accepted by coaching and management. Yes it should be retooling but this is stripping it down to the bottom.

D at the end of the playoffs
Renwick
Sobolev
Holmes
Cristoforo
DeAngelis
Dionicio

D currently
Walton
Toms
Cristoforo
Eichler
Winegard
Woodall
Dionicio

I don't think there's a plan in place really you're only value currently on D is whatever Dionicio brings in return and hoping Cristoforo steps it up. That isn't re-tooling imo.

 

[punch1943]

My issue is I don't believe this addresses the overall roster. It's just bringing in a 19 year old who shouldn't sniff an OA spot next year. Look at the most talented D on the roster even watching him now there are so many bad habits creeping in and laziness in his play. The longer poor D continues it becomes accepted by coaching and management. Yes it should be retooling but this is stripping it down to the bottom.

D at the end of the playoffs
Renwick
Sobolev
Holmes
Cristoforo
DeAngelis
Dionicio

D currently
Walton
Toms
Cristoforo
Eichler
Winegard
Woodall
Dionicio

I don't think there's a plan in place really you're only value currently on D is whatever Dionicio brings in return and hoping Cristoforo steps it up. That isn't re-tooling imo.

What the addition does is that it allows them to add a a bit more experience to the back end . They most likely will move or trade an O/A D -man shortly(this week) and this allows them more flexibility when they do. The cost was negligible. My hope is that they can add 2 potentially good young defensive prospects when they clean house. The question is will they trade sooner or at the Jan 10th deadline.

 

[ohloutsider]

My issue is I don't believe this addresses the overall roster. It's just bringing in a 19 year old who shouldn't sniff an OA spot next year. Look at the most talented D on the roster even watching him now there are so many bad habits creeping in and laziness in his play. The longer poor D continues it becomes accepted by coaching and management. Yes it should be retooling but this is stripping it down to the bottom.

D at the end of the playoffs
Renwick
Sobolev
Holmes
Cristoforo
DeAngelis
Dionicio

D currently
Walton
Toms
Cristoforo
Eichler
Winegard
Woodall
Dionicio

I don't think there's a plan in place really you're only value currently on D is whatever Dionicio brings in return and hoping Cristoforo steps it up. That isn't re-tooling imo.

Not about to look at this move as the "final" move on D. They will likely get younger as we get closer to the trade deadline . I said earlier they needed an experienced OA d to help keep the group grounded a bit. This move should do that as older D get moved out. Sometimes it helps and it is not always on ice skill that matters as much as bench and dressing room calmness. He wanted to come here, he will be on board with his new role I'm sure.

It can't make the D any worse so why not take the shot with a 12th round pick? I hope it works out for him and the Spits.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Not about to look at this move as the "final" move on D. They will likely get younger as we get closer to the trade deadline . I said earlier they needed an experienced OA d to help keep the group grounded a bit. This move should do that as older D get moved out. Sometimes it helps and it is not always on ice skill that matters as much as bench and dressing room calmness. He wanted to come here, he will be on board with his new role I'm sure.

It can't make the D any worse so why not take the shot with a 12th round pick? I hope it works out for him and the Spits.

I never figured it was the final move on D. I just get the idea it's going to be an audition of guys in and out. That's fine if it works but if it's not then we need to ask questions. Bowler patching up holes on the titanic with silly putty while he didn't have a coaching search is an insult to the fans. Maybe Toms helps the D, still find it interesting though that none of the players that started the year on the Spits have been moved.

 

[I Loveallsports]

How's young Walton holding up so far

 

[ohloutsider]

I never figured it was the final move on D. I just get the idea it's going to be an audition of guys in and out. That's fine if it works but if it's not then we need to ask questions. Bowler patching up holes on the titanic with silly putty while he didn't have a coaching search is an insult to the fans. Maybe Toms helps the D, still find it interesting though that none of the players that started the year on the Spits have been moved.

Your splitting hairs with that one. DeAngelis was literally on the bus just before it left for Sarnia. He was part of the team before he got traded. They have also moved out Holmes and Soblev. They got young very quickly.

I'm more concerned on how these kids are being coached on D because that looks to me, to be the weakest link.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Your splitting hairs with that one. DeAngelis was literally on the bus just before it left for Sarnia. He was part of the team before he got traded. They have also moved out Holmes and Soblev. They got young very quickly.

I'm more concerned on how these kids are being coached on D because that looks to me, to be the weakest link.

I was speaking in general on the roster that started the year. They had to address the D because of the moves they made. Ironically there was nothing stoping the Spits from moving one of their OA forwards and keeping Holmes. DeAngelis is an 04 and yes they got picks and a player back. By going extremely young on D they're hanging their goalie out to dry and he looks extremely lost. Do you still keep Costanzo around?? I mean 5.30 GAA and .817 sv%. The idea of going so young on D has likely killed any development for Costanzo and that's terrible since he's only 18 but at this point you can't keep trotting him out there.

 

[OHL4Life]

I was speaking in general on the roster that started the year. They had to address the D because of the moves they made. Ironically there was nothing stoping the Spits from moving one of their OA forwards and keeping Holmes. DeAngelis is an 04 and yes they got picks and a player back. By going extremely young on D they're hanging their goalie out to dry and he looks extremely lost. Do you still keep Costanzo around?? I mean 5.30 GAA and .817 sv%. The idea of going so young on D has likely killed any development for Costanzo and that's terrible since he's only 18 but at this point you can't keep trotting him out there.

its a reset year, they are selling and costanzo isnt that good but wont be here when they are going to win anyways. if he is, he will be 20. this year has been bad but anyone who expected this year to be a very good winning year didnt see the roster or look at the d. they did well in both holmes and deangelis tradeds as far as assets, thats what matters truly, not if they win a random thursday night in october.

 

[OHLTG]

How's young Walton holding up so far

He's been alright. Just one assist in 11 games but using his size pretty well and gets involved around the goal. He's young and still learning but I like where he's headed.

 

[SpitfireHabs1]

Chalk it up how you want. My opinion is this guy Bowler is a loss cause. If you cant make the tough decision it will be hard for you to succeed in this league.

Where we are in the Standings and how our coach has displayed this team so far I'd say there is no good reason to bring an 04 Defence in. Its legitimately mind bottling.

Rebuild the team, we have a damn good 06 class and potentially a solid 07 class. Build for next year and the one after. There's no rainbow at the end of this season unless this season is some kind of storybook ending.

Bringing in a 04 d-man in the Jodoin- Sobolev range is a slap in the face to the fans and the direction of this team. Wasting a roster spot, regardless of his effect with this team.

#Let the Kids Play!!

Go Spits!!

 

[OHL4Life]

Chalk it up how you want. My opinion is this guy Bowler is a loss cause. If you cant make the tough decision it will be hard for you to succeed in this league.

Where we are in the Standings and how our coach has displayed this team so far I'd say there is no good reason to bring an 04 Defence in. Its legitimately mind bottling.

Rebuild the team, we have a damn good 06 class and potentially a solid 07 class. Build for next year and the one after. There's no rainbow at the end of this season unless this season is some kind of storybook ending.

Bringing in a 04 d-man in the Jodoin- Sobolev range is a slap in the face to the fans and the direction of this team. Wasting a roster spot, regardless of his effect with this team.

#Let the Kids Play!!

Go Spits!!

its a 12rth round pick, its not like they turn 12th round picks into players all the time. toms can get killed playing against the cowan/barlow types and let the kids play against softer competition. let the kids play but lets not kill them right off the bat.

 

[OHLTG]

I think the last Windsor drafted 12th rounder that made ANY noise at all was G Ryan Dickie way back in the day.

#Let the Kids Play!!

The kids ARE playing; four of the D have little-to-no OHL experience at all. You don't do a rebuild by throwing all kids out there and going "have fun." Toms isn't going to light anything up by 110+ games of OHL experience is more than most of the current Spitfires can say they have.

 

[OHL 17]

3rd for 12th .......I would say there are considerations going Sault's way.

 

[SpitfireHabs1]

I think the last Windsor drafted 12th rounder that made ANY noise at all was G Ryan Dickie way back in the day.



The kids ARE playing; four of the D have little-to-no OHL experience at all. You don't do a rebuild by throwing all kids out there and going "have fun." Toms isn't going to light anything up by 110+ games of OHL experience is more than most of the current Spitfires can say they have.

That's fine. That's your opinion. 12th round pick or whatever it is, it's not about the pick. Waste of a roster spot on a 19 year old who hasent proven to much in the ohl more then Jodoin, I'd rather we stay put or bring in a better 05/06 Defense build for the future. Not a bandaid for the season.

 

[hockeylegend11]

That's fine. That's your opinion. 12th round pick or whatever it is, it's not about the pick. Waste of a roster spot on a 19 year old who hasent proven to much in the ohl more then Jodoin, I'd rather we stay put or bring in a better 05/06 Defense build for the future. Not a bandaid for the season.

Bowler has been able to turn acquisitions the last couple of years,Christopoulis when had 1 goal in 20 games with NBay scores 13 with Windsor,another 11 in the playoffs,scores 49 last yr,75 points and now has 5 points in his 1st 3 games this year,Mallet went from 10G,21A, 2 years ago to 24G,52A last year,Peer a free agent 2 years went from 6G,3A in 1st year to 22G,45A last year,and now has 5G,9A in 12 games this year,and Dionicio went from 4G3A in 17 games with Niagara,to 13G,30A,43 points last year,and now has 12 points in 12 games this year, as well 1st 8 games this year he was -8,last 4 games he is +4,heck Greentree was -13 his 1st 8 games this year,last 4 games +4 plus 7 points,and is the best 2nd rounder drafted last year by Bowler then anyone.
Toms was drafted in the 3rd round by the Hounds for a reason,no doubt in my mind he will help this team moving forward especially with the possibility that Woodall is out long term.

 

[windsor7]

Bowler has been able to turn acquisitions the last couple of years,Christopoulis when had 1 goal in 20 games with NBay scores 13 with Windsor,another 11 in the playoffs,scores 49 last yr,75 points and now has 5 points in his 1st 3 games this year,Mallet went from 10G,21A, 2 years ago to 24G,52A last year,Peer a free agent 2 years went from 6G,3A in 1st year to 22G,45A last year,and now has 5G,9A in 12 games this year,and Dionicio went from 4G3A in 17 games with Niagara,to 13G,30A,43 points last year,and now has 12 points in 12 games this year, as well 1st 8 games this year he was -8,last 4 games he is +4,heck Greentree was -13 his 1st 8 games this year,last 4 games +4 plus 7 points,and is the best 2nd rounder drafted last year by Bowler then anyone.
Toms was drafted in the 3rd round by the Hounds for a reason,no doubt in my mind he will help this team moving forward especially with the possibility that Woodall is out long term.

Moving goal posts...