Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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The cost of going for it last year has completely ruined this season. Again, I am ok with rebuilding seasons but when you all go all in and have literally the most embarrassing sweep in OHL history, people are going to be impatient.

I think the young D core will improve as the season progresses. As for the coaching, it appears they are playing the same systems as last year, all offense and very little defensive zone coverage. They should completely overhaul the system. Be a team that has a defense mentality.

If they lose these next two games, especially against Erie who is struggling similarly to the Spitfires, then things could get ugly.
 
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Again, I am ok with rebuilding seasons but when you all go all in and have literally the most embarrassing sweep in OHL history, people are going to be impatient.

This is one thing I've wondered a few times this season, about the team and various deals at the deadline. IF Windsor had won the conference or the league, would people have been *as* upset about the trades and/or the current rebuild?
As for the coaching, it appears they are playing the same systems as last year, all offense and very little defensive zone coverage. They should completely overhaul the system. Be a team that has a defense mentality.

From what I understand, the systems are similar with minor tweaks.
 
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This is one thing I've wondered a few times this season, about the team and various deals at the deadline. IF Windsor had won the conference or the league, would people have been *as* upset about the trades and/or the current rebuild?


From what I understand, the systems are similar with minor tweaks.

Good point about what you take into account with fan perception.

I think the unposted ( by all, not just you) part thou is BB came out the year previous n said the goal was consistent competitive team without highs n lows and maybe that's part of the frustration? They didn't go all in n made the OHL Finals. Then pivoted, emptied the cupboards and got swept. I said at the time and still believe I love aggressive management but it didn't work out. That happens. But they made a statement and went 180.

Just seems the model presented to fans 2 years ago wasn't followed.
Now it has to be an aggressive retool to reset and hopefully they do it, but they need a skill/picks injection. ( do they have the assets to do it and fans patience to accept it....hope so)
Hopefully it works out for you all Spits passionate fans and not a repeat of 2012 to 2020 as far as OHL success goes.
 
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This is one thing I've wondered a few times this season, about the team and various deals at the deadline. IF Windsor had won the conference or the league, would people have been *as* upset about the trades and/or the current rebuild?


From what I understand, the systems are similar with minor tweaks.
Proof isn't showing on ice ..
 

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There needs to be major tweaks. Playing to outscore your own inexperienced defense corp along with average goaltending does not work. Ask the Leafs and Oilers of recent years. We are noticing this early because we are not scoring at the pace we expect. We don't have the quality centers down the middle this year who would draw the oppositions attention and left guys like Maillet and Christopoulis to have great looks and left open. Too many part time players in key roles in the top 6. We need ro stop requiring a savior goalie to cover the deficiencies. We have had goaltending quandaries of who is #1 or whos #2 constantly since DiPietro traded. Onuska, Medina, Downey,Tovell, Piroinen, Incze. Now Costanzo, Michelone. Call up Froggett?? Is that the answer this time??? Joey is a quality goalie who probably feels why the f---k should I care when they leave me to hang dry constantly. Has to be super frustrating for our goalies. Especially in his draft year Not fair to blame goalies when anyone who knows anything about hockey knows the team defensive ability is maybe not even equal to a decent Junior B team right now. That statement is not just on the D, it is also the play of many forwards as well in the D side of the puck.
 
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This is one thing I've wondered a few times this season, about the team and various deals at the deadline. IF Windsor had won the conference or the league, would people have been *as* upset about the trades and/or the current rebuild?


From what I understand, the systems are similar with minor tweaks.
Yes, if a team has a deep playoff run and rebuilds the next year, fans are generally more patient. But this team was completely embarrassed in the first round and is now one of the worst teams in the league. That will destroy fan interest.

This coaching staff can't be serious? Using the same systems as last year when they don't have nearly the scoring they did last year, that's unreal. The systems need to be revamped completely to a defensive system or they are going to continue to allow 4-5 breakaways per game and 5 2 on 1 's per game and get blown out most nights.
 

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Good point about what you take into account with fan perception.

I think the unposted ( by all, not just you) part thou is BB came out the year previous n said the goal was consistent competitive team without highs n lows and maybe that's part of the frustration? They didn't go all in n made the OHL Finals. Then pivoted, emptied the cupboards and got swept. I said at the time and still believe I love aggressive management but it didn't work out. That happens. But they made a statement and went 180.

Just seems the model presented to fans 2 years ago wasn't followed.
Now it has to be an aggressive retool to reset and hopefully they do it, but they need a skill/picks injection. ( do they have the assets to do it and fans patience to accept it....hope so)
Hopefully it works out for you all Spits passionate fans and not a repeat of 2012 to 2020 as far as OHL success goes.

My comment was based on what I've heard around the rink and online, that the Wright and Harrison deals were not great and the rebuild can be frustrating. That's why I wonder (and I've asked this to people) - if Windsor had won the conference, or even the OHL, would the feelings be the same? It's been a mixed bag so far. Personally, I think people would have been more accepting of everything (the trades, the loss of picks, the rebuild, etc) if the club had gone much further. That was the end-goal from the trades so that was where expectations were.

As for the model from two years ago - I know Bowler said that they wanted to be competitive every season though the cyclical nature of junior hockey makes it tough. Agree or disagree, that's the gist of his comment. Whether he was more hopeful than realistic, or maybe he's pivoted, I don't know. I know the goal is to still be competitive; whether that's conference contenders or simply home ice is TBD. This season is off to a rocky start, regardless.
Yes, if a team has a deep playoff run and rebuilds the next year, fans are generally more patient. But this team was completely embarrassed in the first round and is now one of the worst teams in the league. That will destroy fan interest.

This is my point, though. It's fair to complain about the moves given the results but, if the results met the expectations last season, would people still be upset? I don't know.
This coaching staff can't be serious? Using the same systems as last year when they don't have nearly the scoring they did last year, that's unreal.

The club has lost significant scoring each of the last few seasons. They lost a lot of talent after Covid, then lost players like Johnston, Cuylle, and Maggio in various seasons after that. Yet, somehow, the ones who remained were able to step up. Coming into each of their "big" seasons, Johnston, Cuylle, and Maggio hadn't been prolific producers. I think Johnston had 30 points in his rookie season, Cuylle had a sophomore slump, and Maggio was a mere long-shot. Add in Maillet, Christopoulos, Peer, etc. stepping up and it's worked. They need multiple players to step up this season and, given the history, it's not out of the question. Is it easy? No. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes and we've seen it.
 

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So where does the blame lie?
Lost an ok HC and replaced him with Smith… you told fans we’ll be competitive every year, not the case. You went all in last year and got humiliated. This season has started as a total sh-t show…. Lots of folks here give BB a pass, me? I say hes the reason the teams where its at today! Mistakes this costly usually cost you your job. So the owners also share much of the blame! Yep its still real early but all the bad signs are there.
 

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My comment was based on what I've heard around the rink and online, that the Wright and Harrison deals were not great and the rebuild can be frustrating. That's why I wonder (and I've asked this to people) - if Windsor had won the conference, or even the OHL, would the feelings be the same? It's been a mixed bag so far. Personally, I think people would have been more accepting of everything (the trades, the loss of picks, the rebuild, etc) if the club had gone much further. That was the end-goal from the trades so that was where expectations were.

As for the model from two years ago - I know Bowler said that they wanted to be competitive every season though the cyclical nature of junior hockey makes it tough. Agree or disagree, that's the gist of his comment. Whether he was more hopeful than realistic, or maybe he's pivoted, I don't know. I know the goal is to still be competitive; whether that's conference contenders or simply home ice is TBD. This season is off to a rocky start, regardless.


This is my point, though. It's fair to complain about the moves given the results but, if the results met the expectations last season, would people still be upset? I don't know.


The club has lost significant scoring each of the last few seasons. They lost a lot of talent after Covid, then lost players like Johnston, Cuylle, and Maggio in various seasons after that. Yet, somehow, the ones who remained were able to step up. Coming into each of their "big" seasons, Johnston, Cuylle, and Maggio hadn't been prolific producers. I think Johnston had 30 points in his rookie season, Cuylle had a sophomore slump, and Maggio was a mere long-shot. Add in Maillet, Christopoulos, Peer, etc. stepping up and it's worked. They need multiple players to step up this season and, given the history, it's not out of the question. Is it easy? No. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes and we've seen it.

Really? Not even worth trying to have a convo.
Excuses and what ifs.
 
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Another home loss. I have to disagree with the posts about the effort. They are working hard, competing, they just don't have the goal scoring or defense. A few guys just dog it, ie. Smith, but most guys are hustling. They have no problem, generating offensive zone time just can't generate a ton of grade A scoring chances. Getting Christopoulis will help that but he's just one guy.

The goaltending has been horrendous. Just more poor goaltending tonight, I think Kingston scored two goals on shots from bad angles that snuck in. Need to get some saves. Need more from guys like Abraham and Maillet. I think Maillet has checked out, he doesn't seem as engaged as last year. I expected more from Spellacy who has zero points.

This is a rebuild year. The team isn't quite as bad as shown so far, (they're going to win more than 10 games lmao) but this team is going nowhere. The organization will finally get to make some high draft picks after picking at the end of the 1st round the last few years. Also, should net a top 15 pick in the Import draft which usually lands you an NHL drafted player.

There are some bright spots, if Greentree keeps producing at this level he'll be the highest drafted Spitfire since Vilardi. Woodall and Walton are rookies that look good and should continue to improve. It's a young defense not counting Jodoin. Basically, the D core is: four rookies, one 2nd year player, and one 3rd year player.

As I said before, what makes this rebuild difficult is the fact they did not win a playoff game in the 'go for it' year last year. That angers me a lot more than the 1-5 start to this season. If I were Bowler I would be listening to offers on someone like Dionicio who can net the strongest return.
I have been thinking almost identically. Need more from Maillet and Abraham. Honestly, I think Maillet holds more value than Peer in a trade, and from a lineup card perspective he’s my OA that goes.

I think Spellacy will get going but he’s off to a slow start. I think coaching and systems are playing a part but the on ice chemistry seems off. I think the lines could be shaken up better from an outsiders perspective.

Sure could the Spits surprise? Of course. Is this our year? Everything so far tells me no.

Let’s figure out this OA thing and build for next year.
Jodoin holds the least trade value, provides some protection on the backend, management thinks high of him. Assuming He stays. Unless we find a veteran OA D on the cheap that we know would be a better leader, just need to keep him from the bad penalties.
Peer, flashy, but noted not physical, great speed, I think there’s buyers - but his value is lower than Maillet.
Maillet - great well rounded player, off to a slow start, but we know he can produce. Great PK and Faceoff Guy, would be a big depth piece on a contender.
Christo - may be concerns with his injury, seems to get less attention than Maillet, but I think he’s more valuable here.

I say let’s get some picks, we got a solid young core. I like Walton, I like Woodall, I like Winegard. All are hopeful IMO. Add in Christoforo and that’s a good D group. Eichler - I love his physicality, but he’s hit first mentality, which is fine… when it doesn’t put you out of position.

Wish Sobo was still here as well. Does Niagara do trade backs? Lol. Gimme Peer, Christo and Sobo Lol.

Since this years rough start my mind goes forward.
04 OAs? Abraham, Dionicio, Castle - I think all return. Dionicio the one that may graduate.
Morneau and Smith get let loose.
That’s a good crop of guys. Castle pending. Has promise, I just need to see more to be sold on him
 
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What do you guys think the goal should be this year? I think this team needs to look at what Saginaw did lat year. The moved big pieces last year to stay on course for this year. To me we don't have time to rebuild, our core needs to be taken advantage of next year and maybe the one after. I don't want to finish mid pack with this group of it means getting progressively worse next few, squandering the greentree/ chritophoro draft. Think center is weak this year, worse next year.. These need to be addressed now. Also when Cbristopolous comes back who moves to 4th line. We potentially will have 2 19yr old's on 4th line, not a sign of a team in a rebuild/ rehsuffle. I thnk a couple of bodies need to move pronto open up spots for people to play in better spots and get younger. BB needs to pick a clear path. Go all in then sell the farm next year or make moves. Either way I think we have to far to go now in either direction and not enough assets to get there.
 

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Been the roughest start to a season in years and I am sure most peoples Expectations including my own right now are very low but anything is possible, I Am hoping this is just Bad habits from last season washing out and hopefully Jared Smith and Crew can get these guys focused and playing the right way. This team on Paper is out skilled most nights but we are still waiting to see a complete effort and better goaltending. Thursdays First period was the best of this young season. There was Crisp passing, Hard backchecking, Throwing the Body, Blocking shots all of these fundamentals and doing the small things as a team will win you hockey games over having a superstar or two. This team just cant play a structured well balanced game for a full 60 Minutes.

Maybe this road trip will be good, some team bonding and growing as a team Never hurts and will always help Someway on the Ice. Definitely running out of time to make this a competitive season. a few more losses here and the ship will be sinking. Need to get a stretch of good hockey here and Wins.

Go Spits Go!
 

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Sad really but I'm sitting here expecting a loss but hoping for a win.:huh::(. Been a few years since I've approached games like this.

Go Spits!!!
Windsor at Erie
Michelone starts for Windsor
Costanzo backing up
Gaudreau starts for Erie
Not dressed for Windsor same as last game,Winegard, Stewart, Greenwell and Christopoulis.
 

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Windsor at Erie
Michelone starts for Windsor
Costanzo backing up
Gaudreau starts for Erie
Not dressed for Windsor same as last game,Winegard, Stewart, Greenwell and Christopoulis.
Well tonight will be the first game that I will be able to see Michelone in action. Hopefully he gets some help from his D.
 

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Hopefully the boys will up their game and win a pair. That being said, we need to get a few breaks from the zebras. So far this year it seems we have gotten the short end of the stick too often. It’s my hope we start off quickly and get to play with the lead…
 

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What a gross embarrassment. This team isn't good but there is no way they are this bad. These are Niagara Ice Dogs type of results. Have the players quit on Smith already? If this continues the remainder of the month, Bowler should look at making a coaching change. In the interview the other week Bowler again said the plan is to be competitive. Well your team is getting blown out in most games, has Jr. B goaltending and making Erie look like the best team in the league. Fire Jarrod Smith ASAP and revamps your systems.
 
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The loss is on whoever decided to make this guy the back up goalie. Not that our players have played outstanding but Sh!t were doing a rebuild or retool wtf do we got a 19 Year old back up in net? Lack of knowledge on Bowler I guess, cant gain no experience if your not playing in the league, we could have 2 or 3 of our goalie prospects in Michilones spot gaining that valuable experience. But f that let's go with a Pylon 19 year old? My confidence in this management is slipping away not from the results on this ice but from the decision there making off the ice. One foot in or both? Use your head Bowler, your the guy in charge of the roster stop playing useless 19 and 20 year olds and let the kids play!!!!
 
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