Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 4)

[windsor7]

Cristoforo getting some praise on the Hamilton broadcast. "You wouldn't want him on your team?"

Announcers r not supposed to say bad things about players..

 

[LeProspector]

Cristoforo getting some praise on the Hamilton broadcast. "You wouldn't want him on your team?"

Just my opinion. But I don’t.

 

[Cherrydon]

Cristoforo getting some praise on the Hamilton broadcast. "You wouldn't want him on your team?"

I had to chuckle, based on last year's play. Yes. This year, prospect for a new non contact league but I think they just started one.

 

[ohloutsider]

Well not their best " competitive" outing . The whole team needs to be better from Joey out.

Fyi I think the O'Brian goal was with a high stick but the Shrek goal was legit. Wonder why they never reviewed the O'Brian goal? The outcome was not going to change but just me wondering out loud.

Wassilyn watch continues.

 

[spits]

Watched some of the game, the squad almost looks disinterested these days. I think some on here are expecting to much, they are going to struggle to win games, will be lucky to win 20 games. Better off losing and getting a chance at Wassilyn. The conference will be a lot weaker next season.

 

[ohloutsider]

Watched some of the game, the squad almost looks disinterested these days. I think some on here are expecting to much, they are going to struggle to win games, will be lucky to win 20 games. Better off losing and getting a chance at Wassilyn. The conference will be a lot weaker next season.

They will struggle much more now with facing teams that have loaded up for a run.

I look at the Soo as an example. Missed the playoffs last year and look where they are now.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Watched some of the game, the squad almost looks disinterested these days. I think some on here are expecting to much, they are going to struggle to win games, will be lucky to win 20 games. Better off losing and getting a chance at Wassilyn. The conference will be a lot weaker next season.

I think people know the team is bad. That doesn't preclude them from working hard and putting in effort. The two can be mutually exclusive. The issue is if the players get comfortable losing, develop bad habits. This is the worst Spitfire team in 23 years.

 

[OHLTG]

I just saw the Greentree fight on replay. I can't tell who was hit by a Bulldog. Maybe Zhugin? Someone gets hit from behind. Greentree comes over, gives a shot, Moore and him look at each other, drop the gloves, square off. Both land one, Greentree lands a right as Moore is falling back, and they hit the ice.

Unless it's a one-goal game with a minute to go, I have no issue with Greentree doing that. We constantly talk about how the team is "soft"; well, now you've got your captain standing up for his team. It was 3-1, early third period. He's in the box for seven? "Okay, next man up, let's go." Simple. If Greentree ignores it and skates along, I'd be far more annoyed. Yes, he's your best player but, in this situation, he's your captain.

 

[nelli27]

Agree I would love to wind up getting either Wassilyn or Valentini, prefer Wassilyn.
As for today's game at Brantford formerly Hamilton
Costanzo gets the start,no surprise there.
Toms is in for Winegard on D
Everything else remains the same.

HL,

Do you know the rule for buying back suspensions in the playoffs? When can, and can't you do it? As one of the rule experts on here, I thought you might know.

 

[hockeylegend11]

HL,

Do you know the rule for buying back suspensions in the playoffs? When can, and can't you do it? As one of the rule experts on here, I thought you might know.

nelli,Firstly thanks for the compliment,to your question,based on last year and what happened to Windsor prior to the playoffs,there is no buy back from suspension, afterall Rodwin Dionicio flipped the puck out of play after stoppage last game of season and had to sit out 2 games to start the playoff,and 1st game in playoffs Noah Morneau did the same as Dionicio and had to sit out 2 games no buy back.
So based on those 2 instances pretty sure no buy back.

 

[nelli27]

nelli,Firstly thanks for the compliment,to your question,based on last year and what happened to Windsor prior to the playoffs,there is no buy back from suspension, afterall Rodwin Dionicio flipped the puck out of play after stoppage last game of season and had to sit out 2 games to start the playoff,and 1st game in playoffs Noah Morneau did the same as Dionicio and had to sit out 2 games no buy back.
So based on those 2 instances pretty sure no buy back.

Ok, so no buybacks in playoffs. Thx

 

[ohloutsider]

More random thoughts.
Not sure who posted yesterday ( maybe Razor?) But it was brought up again about the scenario of having a possible 3 different coaches in 1 year as being an issue for the players. Don't buy that as an issue at all. These kids have played up through the minor hockey systems and most likely playing spring and summer hockey. They have spend basically their entire hockey years playing with 2 or 3 different coaches a year. Give them a few games with a new coach and they should understand what the coach wants from them.

Now that I mentioned the above I've noticed something and after rewatching the first period from yesterday it's confirmed in my little brain. There is a major disconnect between the forward group and the D core in the Spits end. The D will manage to free the puck and immediately end around the puck. But there is never a winger there to receive it. Puck is picked up by the opposition D and back into the corner or onto the net area. D core again gets the puck back and sends it end around the other way and again no forward there. It's unfortunately comical to watch how consistent this was. This is either bad coaching or kids that won't follow the system. If they can just fix small things like this they would at least give the goalies a chance and keep the scores closer. Stay safe.

Wassilyn watch continues.

 

[Cherrydon]

Ok, so no buybacks in playoffs. Thx

I found a OHL PLAYOFF POLICY MANUAL document regarding buybacks, but I am not a lawyer and do not have access to the entire document, but I did copy the fist 1.5 pages that was available as a preview below. Third man in a fight 2 game suspension for example is one that can be bought back. Supplementary discipline by the league cannot be bought back. Regarding Dionicio, and Morneau. Game misconducts for propelling or throwing object into spectator area cannot be bought back-2nd one on the list below.

OHL PLAYOFF POLICY MANUAL
(B)SUSPENSION POLICIES The following player and coach suspensions CANNOT be "bought-back":
-all match penalties
-all game misconducts for:
i)propelling or throwing any object into spectator area
ii)obscene gestures
iii)travesty of game
-any game misconduct penalty incurred under Rule 40 - Physical Abuse of Officials -any game misconduct penalty incurred by a player under Rule 70 including leaving player's bench or penalty bench or after being ordered to the dressing room
-coach suspension as the result of team identified by the referee as the first to leave its player's bench.

However, if supplementary discipline is applied by the Commissioner then such suspension cannot be bought back, including
-Rule 41, Board Checking
-Rule 48, Checking to the Head
-Rule 42, Charging
-Rule 43, Checking From Behind
-Rule 44, Clipping
-Rules 59 and 61, Cross-Checking and Slashing
-Rule 45, Elbowing
-Rule 46.2, Game Misconduct as the Aggressor
-Rule 47, Headbutting
-Rule 46.10, Game Misconduct for Instigator on 2nd Fight
-Rule 50, Kneeing
-Rule 69, Interacting with Goaltender
-Rule 62, Spearing

Page 2 The suspensions which may be Abought-back@( in lieu of the automatic two-game suspension) are all others not listed under the above-noted areas. The fee for buying back a suspension is $500.00 for a player=s first game misconduct. It is understood that, for any subsequent game misconduct by the same player, the fee for the Abuy-back@ shall be doubled, ie., $1,000.00 for the second game misconduct, $2,000.00 for the third game misconduct and so forth. It is understood that any player who is under suspension as the result of incurring a game misconduct penalty during one of your team's last two regular season games, and such game misconduct may be "bought-back", then your hockey club may pay $500.00 in lieu of the automatic two-game suspension. It is understood that in this particular case such "buy- back" will not count in the total number of game misconducts for such a player in the playoffs. The above references are all minimum fines and suspensions. The Commissioner reserves the right to alter, amend, or revise any of the above during the course of the playoffs.

 

[OHL 17]

The Spits opened a high interest account at The WFCU, and are saving money to buy back playoff suspensions!

 

[nelli27]

I found a OHL PLAYOFF POLICY MANUAL document regarding buybacks, but I am not a lawyer and do not have access to the entire document, but I did copy the fist 1.5 pages that was available as a preview below. Third man in a fight 2 game suspension for example is one that can be bought back. Supplementary discipline by the league cannot be bought back. Regarding Dionicio, and Morneau. Game misconducts for propelling or throwing object into spectator area cannot be bought back-2nd one on the list below.

OHL PLAYOFF POLICY MANUAL
(B)SUSPENSION POLICIES The following player and coach suspensions CANNOT be "bought-back":
-all match penalties
-all game misconducts for:
i)propelling or throwing any object into spectator area
ii)obscene gestures
iii)travesty of game
-any game misconduct penalty incurred under Rule 40 - Physical Abuse of Officials -any game misconduct penalty incurred by a player under Rule 70 including leaving player's bench or penalty bench or after being ordered to the dressing room
-coach suspension as the result of team identified by the referee as the first to leave its player's bench.

However, if supplementary discipline is applied by the Commissioner then such suspension cannot be bought back, including
-Rule 41, Board Checking
-Rule 48, Checking to the Head
-Rule 42, Charging
-Rule 43, Checking From Behind
-Rule 44, Clipping
-Rules 59 and 61, Cross-Checking and Slashing
-Rule 45, Elbowing
-Rule 46.2, Game Misconduct as the Aggressor
-Rule 47, Headbutting
-Rule 46.10, Game Misconduct for Instigator on 2nd Fight
-Rule 50, Kneeing
-Rule 69, Interacting with Goaltender
-Rule 62, Spearing

Page 2 The suspensions which may be Abought-back@( in lieu of the automatic two-game suspension) are all others not listed under the above-noted areas. The fee for buying back a suspension is $500.00 for a player=s first game misconduct. It is understood that, for any subsequent game misconduct by the same player, the fee for the Abuy-back@ shall be doubled, ie., $1,000.00 for the second game misconduct, $2,000.00 for the third game misconduct and so forth. It is understood that any player who is under suspension as the result of incurring a game misconduct penalty during one of your team's last two regular season games, and such game misconduct may be "bought-back", then your hockey club may pay $500.00 in lieu of the automatic two-game suspension. It is understood that in this particular case such "buy- back" will not count in the total number of game misconducts for such a player in the playoffs. The above references are all minimum fines and suspensions. The Commissioner reserves the right to alter, amend, or revise any of the above during the course of the playoffs.

Good sleuth work. Thx!

 

[Teflon]

Maybe the guys are disinterested because they know management is going thru the motions? They know they arent getting a HC and the 2 here arent likely to be here next year.
I keep hearing about the 5 guys on the radar. My info say its really more like 3 at best. There really is a mountain of issues here i wish some would stop giving BB a pass continually. Hes made some egregious errors with the team, add in the ones most dont hear about and its worse!
I agree, show me a team working hard all the time and im fine, that goes for management as well!

 

[hockeylegend11]

The Spits opened a high interest account at The WFCU, and are saving money to buy back playoff suspensions!

Lol,like that one.
As for todays game and hopefully no suspensions,Donoso not surprisingly gets the start in goal,1 lineup change,Winegard is in and Greenwell is out.
So Spits going with 7D and 11F.
Zito is starting the game between Greentree and Davis, with Christoforo pairing with Toure to start.

 

[windsor7]

Lol,like that one.
As for todays game and hopefully no suspensions,Donoso not surprisingly gets the start in goal,1 lineup change,Winegard is in and Greenwell is out.
So Spits going with 7D and 11F.
Zito is starting the game between Greentree and Davis, with Christoforo pairing with Toure to start.

To Start.
Lines have changed dramatically in past after a couple shifts

 

[OHLTG]

Lines change every game with every team. It's nothing new. Just like people mentioning the starters. It's a... non starter? HA!

Anyway... let's hope for a competitive game today and send Greentree off with a bang.

 

[DetSpitsFan]

I personally like what I've seen from obviously Greentree, but I also really like Cole Davis who will be draft and Carson Woodall is probably their most reliable defenseman Spellacy is showing improvement and will be drafted. Eichler is hit or miss but is improving.

Cristoforo appears to have regressed. I think he can be like Nathan Staios. He was a -30 in his second season and a -20 in his 3rd season in the league and he ended up being one of the better defensemen in the OHL. Patience is required for Cristoforo. It's taking him a while to get the Savard pond hockey out of his mind.

Nesbitt doesn't play enough to get a good read, but he looks decent.

It's a rebuild season, if you take away the Jarrod Smith ERA, the squad is slightly above .500. Yes Bowler made a mistake hiring him but that's done with. Sarnia, Barrie, Peterborough were all good teams last year and are rebuilding. You might have 5-6 players drafted this year, add in maybe an acquisition and a drafted player in the import draft and there could be 5-8 NHL draft picks on the team next season.

Not to mention you have the chance to add someone like Wassilyn and have 3 of the top 24 picks in the OHL draft. The rest of this season is going to suck no doubt, but after every loss people will be on here complaining.

I agree, and still wonder how much choice there was in Smith. Being a rebuild, it very well could’ve been you have “x” to spend on a head coach: go. He very well could’ve had assistant coach moneg to spend inaHead coach with ownership knowing it Was going to be a down year

(Edit: mobile page refreshed on me)
“They have 1- 07 and they can't even manage him correctly. The miss management of the young players alone tells me Bowler and This interm coach have no idea what they're doing. They can't even keep a line the same from 1 game to the next. They cut the bench after the first period every game and lose. Abraham and his 2 minute shifts. Christoforo puss pants gets hurt more than anyone in the league. Total Bum.
I don’t think Nesbitt has been mismanaged at all. A low first round pick getting consistent 4th line minutes with some hints of PP time is pretty expected”.

IMO Christoforo has been more mismanaged. Getting Top 2 minutes in year 1, then being expected to stay in that top 2 pair with a far less talented group.

I think Spellacy and Greentree are a lock for the draft. Woodall likely. Christoforo just needs to reassure people he can do what he’s done. And if Eichler steps up a bit, I could see him getting that call. His physicality is great, just needs to be aware of when to do it, and when to sit back.

The dream is Wassilyn…6’2” 195.

He's the Captain now. Occasionally he will have to stand up for his teammates. It's not like the game is close.

I’m on board for it. You only get 3 fights a year. Greentree showed he’s willing to step up, and defend his teammates new into his captaincy, in a game that we weren’t getting points in regardless. Bonus, he won the fight.

 

[2023]

This man to man coverage is terrible.
Hasn’t the coach figured out that we can’t defend this way.

 

[windsor7]

Who was 74 covering??

 

[Cherrydon]

Another I am out of position pylon move 74 on their first goal.

Who was 74 covering??

Himself

 

[windsor7]

Another I am out of position pylon move 74 on their first goal.


Himself

And he can't do that...

 

[2023]

Another I am out of position pylon move 74 on their first goal.


Himself

Point made. Man to man. Most of these kids are not smart enough to figure it out.