Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 4)

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I suppose that’s fair. But that doesn’t seem uncommon until the 2nd linesman steps in. I know they had 5 on the board when I wrote that. I’m much more okay with a misconduct for it than putting a team shorthanded.

I wish he wouldn't have gotten tossed at all but I get the heat of the moment stuff. Hopefully it's not a long suspension.
 

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It was under rule 75.4, which gives plenty of options for what he could have done.

BTW, they ruled Martin under rule 46.2 which is attempting to inflict punishment (throw/land more) when an opponent is defenceless. So, when Punnett covered up, and Martin continued, it was given.
 

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It was under rule 75.4, which gives plenty of options for what he could have done.

BTW, they ruled Martin under rule 46.2 which is attempting to inflict punishment (throw/land more) when an opponent is defenceless. So, when Punnett covered up, and Martin continued, it was given.
Punnet dropped the mits first by a hair. Wasn't like a man down on the ice and Martin was pounding the back of his head. Tough call. Popped him a few shots uppercut and stopped. Martin' s size breeds additional favor for the opposition by the refs. Not really fair.
 

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Punnet dropped the mits first by a hair. Wasn't like a man down on the ice and Martin was pounding the back of his head. Tough call. Popped him a few shots uppercut and stopped. Martin' s size breeds additional favor for the opposition by the refs. Not really fair.

At the end, Punnett was on his knees and Martin gave him a few shots while the officials tried to separate. I'm not overly surprised.
 

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At the end, Punnett was on his knees and Martin gave him a few shots while the officials tried to separate. I'm not overly surprised.
About 3 shots too many and they made the right call. He has to learn when to say when . Especially for him if he continues to fight. he's going to take more than few guys so he has to understand when to stop. likely a suspension but I have no idea what is the standard for that but I can see 4 games.
 
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At the end, Punnett was on his knees and Martin gave him a few shots while the officials tried to separate. I'm not overly surprised.
True, slippery slipe but honestly did not feel Martin trying to intentionally injure Punnet. Punnett holding his head made the incident look worse.
 

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It was an excellent clean hip check but Martin was upset about being levelled. So he grabbed Punnett’s helmet off as they were both getting up which was a huge advantage for the fight.

Once Punnett slipped and was down on his knees with the ref holding onto him, that’s when Martin unloaded with several punches.

ZERO surprise that Martin was ejected after that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he also gets four games.
 

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Martin will be suspended, not sure he is even on the team next year. Abraham had 4 breakaways today but couldn't score, Spellacy also had a breakaway.

Yeah, the squad looks seems to have regressed these last few weeks. Could be they have played a first place team in all but one game since the trade deadline. Gauntlet of a schedule. Team morale is probably down.

This season can't end soon enough. Niagara won today, as OHL Outsider says, Wassilyn Watch continues.

Oh and they need to 100% draft a d-man in the Import draft. Should be a top 10 pick so no excuses not to bring in a drafted defenseman that will play 20-25 minutes per game and help immediately.
 

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Martin will be suspended, not sure he is even on the team next year. Abraham had 4 breakaways today but couldn't score, Spellacy also had a breakaway.

Yeah, the squad looks seems to have regressed these last few weeks. Could be they have played a first place team in all but one game since the trade deadline. Gauntlet of a schedule. Team morale is probably down.

This season can't end soon enough. Niagara won today, as OHL Outsider says, Wassilyn Watch continues.

Oh and they need to 100% draft a d-man in the Import draft. Should be a top 10 pick so no excuses not to bring in a drafted defenseman that will play 20-25 minutes per game and help immediately.
Great idea but as they say..the best laid plans of mice and men….
 

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Disaster weekend.
1 goal scored by Windsor.
Defensively horrible.
Very little offense.
Goalie still gives up 5 goals.
Think they r last in league again..
 

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How has Connor Toms been playing in a Spits uniform lately - I notice that he has been a healthy scratch a few times.
 

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How has Connor Toms been playing in a Spits uniform lately - I notice that he has been a healthy scratch a few times.

He's been rotating in and out with Winegard.

BTW, props to Donoso for only allowing 5G today. I know that sounds odd but 50+ shots on goal... anything under six is pretty solid.
 
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He's been rotating in and out with Winegard.

BTW, props to Donoso for only allowing 5G today. I know that sounds odd but 50+ shots on goal... anything under six is pretty solid.
5 is still too many..
 

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How anyone from management can show their faces is beyond me. Team is becoming a laughingstock around the league. How the Savages are ok with this should indicate what were in for. My only hope now is they are planning to clean house in the spring. Those that like BB can continue to heap praise, i see it very differently. The mistakes have been very hurtful and not just short term. Were damn near back to where we started this year. Teams not responding, they are underachieving and many seemingly dont care. If you dont see that im not sure how to get you to. Seen some shit shows before but this ones getting ugly.
 

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How anyone from management can show their faces is beyond me. Team is becoming a laughingstock around the league. How the Savages are ok with this should indicate what were in for. My only hope now is they are planning to clean house in the spring. Those that like BB can continue to heap praise, i see it very differently. The mistakes have been very hurtful and not just short term. Were damn near back to where we started this year. Teams not responding, they are underachieving and many seemingly dont care. If you dont see that im not sure how to get you to. Seen some shit shows before but this ones getting ugly.
Bowler gets too much love. It's either "look at the past two years" yep they wrap yesterdays headlines in fish the next day. Bowler thinks the team will be middle of the pack this year and they fall off a cliff early on. He's either full of sh!t or overrated the talent. Both are an indictment on Bowler. People want to trumpet 5 players on the NHL draft list. They faced a team today that has 3 players that are playing in the top prospects game, yes Greentree is in that game. There needs to be much more quality overall on this roster. Bowler made poor roster decisions going into the year and people gloss over it. Bowler needs to hire a big time coach this offseason and he's 1 for 2 so anyone who has supreme confidence he's going to make a great hire might as well buy a lottery ticket because you have just as good of a chance to win that.

The biggest indictment is that Bowler pretty much sold what he had available and you can't say they are any better going into next year than when he started doing that. Outwater wasn't playing well and he got hurt. Walton the jury is still out (if you want to include him) and Zhugin who most likely has to be moved if you want to get a top tier import. Either that or move Eichler. In the last 12 months Bowler has done a terrible job.
 
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He's either full of sh!t or overrated the talent.
I don't think it's either.

The team started very slowly. Some players hit their sophomore slump. For others, it just wasn't clicking. Seems like coaching might have had a lot to do with it. Doesn't mean the talent wasn't there.

Bowler in all likelihood expected the players to continue to build on their season last year. If that had happened, it's quite possible this team is competitive this season (battling for 4/5 seed?). I'm not really sure what his larger plan was to recoup picks after the early DeAngelis & Sobolev trades, but I think that's kind of where he thought the team would be.

When it was clear that the slow start was going to prevent that from happening, it think credit needs to be given to Bowler for shifting gears and going into full sell mode. A lot of GMs would stick to their original plan through hell or high water, but he quickly shifted into plan B. He has done an admirable job recouping picks this season and gotten a lot of value from players who were going to be graduating soon anyway.

Yes, that makes this a down year. Whoop-de-doo. Fans incessantly whining about it must not understand junior hockey. Everybody goes through it (except London). At least you have restocked the cupboard and gotten good value for the players you traded away. Not accomplishing that this year, once the season went off the tracks at the beginning, would have been a fireable offense. Be thankful that Bowler didn't go that route, or else you would have a lot more than 1 down season to complain about.

Hiring the wrong head coach is not automatically a fireable offense, as long as you are able to move on from them and learn from the experience. If you can't bring yourself to let a head coach go who isn't getting the job done, or if you continue hiring the wrong head coaches, those can be reasons for dismissal. Bowler's next HC hire will be crucial.

All just my opinion. But sometimes to read this thread, all I hear is a whole bunch of chicken littles. It's really not that bad guys, it's just the cycle of junior hockey.
 

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Bowler did do a great job restocking the cupboard- hard to argue that. Especially dealing the OA's.
No-one bitched when he loaded up last year until after the early exit. Bowler hired Savard-good Bowler hired Smith-Bad. But feel his hands were tied with Smith's 10+ years with the team, he needed to give him a chance possibly his own decision or to be fair a Ownership decision? Short leash was yanked quick-Good Delmore left after knowing he was not going to be the replacement. Leighton left or let go? whatever but lets face it, this teams goaltending and defense has been horrible the last couple years. Torres is not interested being a HC imo. Hiring a good coach mid-season is difficult especially after many other OHL teams were already looking. Did anyone one of us think that Colton Smith, Castle, Morneau, Abraham would not be good this year? Abraham recently playing well but he wasn't until the last 10-15 games. Outwater defensively plays well. Is he a checking forward or a scorer? Who knows but the price wasn't bad for a 1st rounder. Cristoforo rough year, points pace slightly lower than last year to date and defensively has struggled. As bad as we are, and we are bad, team is still only 7 points from a playoff spot. All teams positioned 6,7,8,9,10 none are better than .500 last 10 games. I will rate Bowler after next season starts. I am sure he will gut this defense as well he should and ditch so many crap 04's and some 05's
 

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I don't think it's either.

The team started very slowly. Some players hit their sophomore slump. For others, it just wasn't clicking. Seems like coaching might have had a lot to do with it. Doesn't mean the talent wasn't there.

Bowler in all likelihood expected the players to continue to build on their season last year. If that had happened, it's quite possible this team is competitive this season (battling for 4/5 seed?). I'm not really sure what his larger plan was to recoup picks after the early DeAngelis & Sobolev trades, but I think that's kind of where he thought the team would be.

When it was clear that the slow start was going to prevent that from happening, it think credit needs to be given to Bowler for shifting gears and going into full sell mode. A lot of GMs would stick to their original plan through hell or high water, but he quickly shifted into plan B. He has done an admirable job recouping picks this season and gotten a lot of value from players who were going to be graduating soon anyway.

Yes, that makes this a down year. Whoop-de-doo. Fans incessantly whining about it must not understand junior hockey. Everybody goes through it (except London). At least you have restocked the cupboard and gotten good value for the players you traded away. Not accomplishing that this year, once the season went off the tracks at the beginning, would have been a fireable offense. Be thankful that Bowler didn't go that route, or else you would have a lot more than 1 down season to complain about.

Hiring the wrong head coach is not automatically a fireable offense, as long as you are able to move on from them and learn from the experience. If you can't bring yourself to let a head coach go who isn't getting the job done, or if you continue hiring the wrong head coaches, those can be reasons for dismissal. Bowler's next HC hire will be crucial.

All just my opinion. But sometimes to read this thread, all I hear is a whole bunch of chicken littles. It's really not that bad guys, it's just the cycle of junior hockey.
Well said. People who want Bowler fired are impatient. He made a bad hire as the coach but acted quickly to fire him.

Now if the rebuild struggles, people can question him. They will have 3 of the top 24 picks in the draft and a top 10 import pick. I personally think his drafting has been outstanding, especially considering the team has made their last few picks at 20 overall and 55th overall in the import draft. It's the OHL, you see wild swings from year to year. SOO won 20 games last year and look at them now.
 
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