Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 4)

[ohloutsider]

Send that pizza to 74 for the assist lol

Ya unfortunately there is no mystery on that giveaway.

 

[windsor7]

Ya unfortunately there is no mystery on that giveaway.

So soft!!

 

[TheGremlin]

That turned quickly. Abraham hasn’t been very good defensively tonight. Giveaway on the shorty and then watched a guy skate by him into open spot and buries it. Donoso not having a great period either. Not sure why the spits struggle so bad in 2nd period

 

[ohloutsider]

A tale of 2 periods. Welcome to the wonderful world of Spits vision.

 

[TheGremlin]

Why isn’t Zhugin, Zito and Spellacy playing together? Last game they played together and had 13 points between them.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

A tale of 2 periods. Welcome to the wonderful world of Spits vision.

I think the score flattered Windsor in the 1st. Soo had many grade A chances in the 1st. 2nd period Soo has capitalized. This D has to be rebuilt.

 

[ohloutsider]

I think the score flattered Windsor in the 1st. Soo had many grade A chances in the 1st. 2nd period Soo has capitalized. This D has to be rebuilt.

Once the Soo turned it up it was a tough period in the Spits end.

 

[2023]

Why isn’t Zhugin, Zito and Spellacy playing together? Last game they played together and had 13 points between them.

They don’t like success. Typical Windsor

 

[ohloutsider]

Well 3rd more of the same.

To be honest I expected more out of Donoso. If that was Joey the boo birds would be all over him .

Countdown to the Wassilyn watch begins.

 

[Cherrydon]

Team and Donoso had a decent start and then....... Soo looked to play as hard as they needed too tonight. Typical road team coming into the last place opponents barn thinking it would be a walk in the park, got surprised until they woke up after the 1st period.

 

[Spits1963]

Why isn’t Zhugin, Zito and Spellacy playing together? Last game they played together and had 13 points between them.

Was thinking that the whole game!!!

74 better learn hockey is a physical game or he’ll be lucky to be playing university hockey is three years

Why isn’t Zhugin, Zito and Spellacy playing together? Last game they played together and had 13 points between them.

 

[windsor7]

A tale of 2 periods. Welcome to the wonderful world of Spits vision.

Coaching needs to be better

 

[Cherrydon]

Was thinking that the whole game!!!

74 better learn hockey is a physical game or he’ll be lucky to be playing university hockey is three years

I as well as many others have been saying that all year and get shot down with the "potential BS" and he is only 17. He has 106 OHL games experience. Excuse time is over. Toms scratched as duly should be with his team leading minus, but he only has 141 games total experience. Why 74 gets that much ice, and killing penalties?? Are you serious?? Baffles me. He can block shots when he wants to, I'll give him that, that is where the positives end for me. My wife has a harder shot. Can you believe he was taken before Greentree in the draft? lol. Won't be that way in the NHL draft. I'll be honestly surprised if he is drafted this year.

 

[Cherrydon]

Davis needs to move forward playing hockey again. Had 12 points in November, rookie of the month and only 10 points spread amongst October, December and January totaled together. Looks to be easily affected by opposing players like Abraham. Maybe a bad role model to follow although Abraham offense has been hot recently but still takes stupid penalties.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

They have to give up 135 goals over their next 29 games to break the franchise record for goals given up in a year. They have given up 24 in their last 3 games. A few more games of giving up 6 and 7 goals they can do it

Davis needs to move forward playing hockey again. Had 12 points in November, rookie of the month and only 10 points spread amongst October, December and January totaled together. Looks to be easily affected by opposing players like Abraham. Maybe a bad role model to follow although Abraham offense has been hot recently but still takes stupid penalties.

He's like a lot others on the team. They don't take the fight to other teams. Tough to win when you dress 6 players a night that shouldn't be in the OHL.

 

[OHLTG]

Welcome to the rebuild; one night is solid, the next is horrible, rinse and repeat. Now, it's up to the staff and players to figure out how to solve it. We know what they can do when they're on their game. We also know what happens when they stop playing after the first period. How do you get to the first one on a consistent basis? Only they know that.

 

[windsor7]

I as well as many others have been saying that all year and get shot down with the "potential BS" and he is only 17. He has 106 OHL games experience. Excuse time is over. Toms scratched as duly should be with his team leading minus, but he only has 141 games total experience. Why 74 gets that much ice, and killing penalties?? Are you serious?? Baffles me. He can block shots when he wants to, I'll give him that, that is where the positives end for me. My wife has a harder shot. Can you believe he was taken before Greentree in the draft? lol. Won't be that way in the NHL draft. I'll be honestly surprised if he is drafted this year.

Never physical at all
Bad pinching.

Welcome to the rebuild; one night is solid, the next is horrible, rinse and repeat. Now, it's up to the staff and players to figure out how to solve it. We know what they can do when they're on their game. We also know what happens when they stop playing after the first period. How do you get to the first one on a consistent basis? Only they know that.

Defense was not that good the other game either..

 

[OHLTG]

I'm more surprised that nobody got Greentree in the first round in 2022. The kid is a beast and, without even looking at the draft stats, I'd imagine a few teams (at least) would rather have taken him. That's not a knock on Cristoforo in the slight, either. He's a vastly different player. Some will appreciate what he brings. Others will knock on him every chance they get. That's the way this has always gone here.

 

[spits]

Not much to say about this one, went how one would expect. One team was big sellers this season the other team loaded up and is 'all in'. The result, a 6-2 loss for the team that sold lol.

The SOO look good, not gonna be easy for Saginaw to win the division. No idea why they split up the line that dominated against Sudbury. It's been a daunting schedule since the deadline, playing Saginaw, Sudbury and the SOO, and Saginaw again next Thursday.

This organization is better off tanking and getting a chance at Wassilyn. Also, tank and pick a few spots higher in the import draft, use that pick to bring in a drafted defenseman.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Welcome to the rebuild; one night is solid, the next is horrible, rinse and repeat. Now, it's up to the staff and players to figure out how to solve it. We know what they can do when they're on their game. We also know what happens when they stop playing after the first period. How do you get to the first one on a consistent basis? Only they know that.

When they have been on their game?? They have won 13 of 39. This season is an absolute train wreck and still 29 games left. When you're dressing 6 players that aren't OHL caliber you're not a serious franchise.

 

[OHLTG]

When they have been on their game?? They have won 13 of 39. This season is an absolute train wreck and still 29 games left. When you're dressing 6 players that aren't OHL caliber you're not a serious franchise.

You can look at this season in two ways... the entire thing as one unit, where they've won 13 of 39... OR... in two separate parts, pre-coaching changes and post-coaching changes. If you want to look at it as the entire sum, no matter what, then you do that. I'm going to look at it as the two parts because those changes were massive for the organization and a lot has changed since then. Have their been speedbumps and hiccups along the way since then? Absolutely, and nobody is going to argue that. Has there also been far more positive signs and some room for optimism? Absolutely and I'll argue that all day long. It all depends on how you want to view this, though.

 

[Cherrydon]

I'm more surprised that nobody got Greentree in the first round in 2022. The kid is a beast and, without even looking at the draft stats, I'd imagine a few teams (at least) would rather have taken him. That's not a knock on Cristoforo in the slight, either. He's a vastly different player. Some will appreciate what he brings. Others will knock on him every chance they get. That's the way this has always gone here.

I am one who has been critical on 74 for one reason. Show me the same effort defensively as the effort he shows to pinch and jump in the play offensively and my criticism would change. Stays out on offensive rushes when should be changing with the opportunity after a long shift. Some of that is obviously not ernforced by the coaching staff. Like any kid staying out late with no reprocussions, boundaries get pushed. Appears non committed to anyone on the team or goalie but himself. Around the defensive net, feet usually standing still, slight stick sweep as to not try to be involved at all costs. Definitely has glimpses of good talent and hockey smarts. Loved his rookie season last year and not sure why this year is a seemingly steady regression. Take Woodall, same size but will give his best to physically engage defensively and has stepped up trying to protect his teammates even when he knows he will take the brunt. That is a team player. If you could only keep 1 of those 2 players, whom woukd yiu keep?

 

[RayzorIsDull]

You can look at this season in two ways... the entire thing as one unit, where they've won 13 of 39... OR... in two separate parts, pre-coaching changes and post-coaching changes. If you want to look at it as the entire sum, no matter what, then you do that. I'm going to look at it as the two parts because those changes were massive for the organization and a lot has changed since then. Have their been speedbumps and hiccups along the way since then? Absolutely, and nobody is going to argue that. Has there also been far more positive signs and some room for optimism? Absolutely and I'll argue that all day long. It all depends on how you want to view this, though.

You can't just ignore how they got to this point though. If you want to give Torres credit that's your prerogative. If he's not your coach next year that also tells you something. What are these kids learning if they go through 3 coaches in a 68 game span? That's going have consequences further down the road and will have a negative effect for this franchise.

 

[Teflon]

Few things, ive supported cristo, up til now. I cant any longer…. These coaches arent head coaches, thats a problem! But some are ok with it. That was a bad outing and they played 2 periods completely out of sync. Thats on the coaching.

 

[OHLTG]

You can't just ignore how they got to this point though. If you want to give Torres credit that's your prerogative. If he's not your coach next year that also tells you something. What are these kids learning if they go through 3 coaches in a 68 game span? That's going have consequences further down the road and will have a negative effect for this franchise.

Where have I ignored anything to this point? Every one of us is well aware of how bad they were in the first 21 games. We should also be aware of how they've improved since then (9-6-2-2 or something). If we're looking at the bad start, would it not be fair to look at the improvement since then?

None of us know what's going to happen with Torres next season so "if he's not your coach that also tells you something" can't really apply right now, right? So far, he's done well with the club, as their record under him indicates. Is it good enough to keep him in the position long-term? TBD. Right now, we take the good with the bad, which is only logical to me.

I am one who has been critical on 74 for one reason. Show me the same effort defensively as the effort he shows to pinch and jump in the play offensively and my criticism would change. Stays out on offensive rushes when should be changing with the opportunity after a long shift. Some of that is obviously not ernforced by the coaching staff. Like any kid staying out late with no reprocussions, boundaries get pushed. Appears non committed to anyone on the team or goalie but himself. Around the defensive net, feet usually standing still, slight stick sweep as to not try to be involved at all costs. Definitely has glimpses of good talent and hockey smarts. Loved his rookie season last year and not sure why this year is a seemingly steady regression. Take Woodall, same size but will give his best to physically engage defensively and has stepped up trying to protect his teammates even when he knows he will take the brunt. That is a team player. If you could only keep 1 of those 2 players, whom woukd yiu keep?

Anyone who stays out longer than they should needs to be disciplined accordingly. To me, that's not limited to Cristoforo or any one player.

At times, yes, he looks like he's in no-mans land but, having watched the rest of the team, he's not alone in that, which tells me it's a systems thing. He's also not going to run anyone into the boards, which has drawn clear criticism on here, but he's good with the stick, blocks shots (I doubt many on here would do that), and chips in with plenty of points. While he has plenty of developing to do, there are real positives in his game that rarely get mentioned. (but, if he makes a single mistake, watch out... 5 pages just on that). I think part of the issue is fans want a tough, gritty defence and he's not that kind of player. If you take him for what he is, and not what people want him to be, then he's fine and will continue to develop.