Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

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Strange karma on the bench for sure. Bowler visually looked like a pressure cooker at full steam. Castle non existent as usual. Costanzo was left hung out there . Spellacy looking real good. Holmes made us regret trade lol. Two steps forward last night 1 big step backwards tonight. Hopefully growing pains learning if you let off the coverage and effort for a second it will bite you in the ass quick. That shortie hurt bad. Had enough PP to get back in the game . Maybe Bowler on bench first hand will get feel quick on who else needs to go.
 

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From what I saw of Holmes last year, zero regrets. Lol.

For as weak as Peer is with the puck, he took advantage of Kingston a few times in the same fashion. Also good to see Peer log some goals, he’s been on some bad luck, hope it turns around

Spellacy was amped up tonight, love to see it.

I’m still not sure on no-goalie interference on that 4th one. Rules a goal initially so hard to over turn but bumping into Costanzo is what led the puck to shift in. Also wasn’t sure what Bowler and Torres were upset about in the scramble. Slewfoot maybe? I also didn’t think Spellacy deserved the penalty shot, but it’s OHL reffing.

Goals 2 & 3? Results of us being pushed back for lazy icing calls.. in the first period. Those responsible? Smith & Castle. Go figure. Sorry, I’ll take Martin these days. Not a super bright future, but there’s a bigger window for improvement and contribution.

Costanzo kept us in it and made some massive saves. It feels weird to give the goalie props in a 6-4 game, but I can’t fault him for his efforts tonight.

I don’t mind Bowler behind the bench at all right now. He needs change and he’s back there trying to get something going. He’s holding guys responsible and he’s mad we’re about to be 5-20, I would be too. I’ll take that over silence.

I’d bet He’ll be there Sunday too. Would be a stretch to hire an assistant and have them start on the road with no briefing or familiarity with the players first.
 

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I didn't see the game tonight but I'm watching the goal replays now. It feels like many of the Kingston goals were from Windsor playing tight D, but allowing rebounds or bounces past Costanzo. It's an improvement but... not enough.

I did catch Beller talking to Torres before the game. It sounds like Bowler's handling the offence right now while Torres has the defence. Torres commented that Bowler has been throwing out some unique ideas and "thinking outside of the box", which the players are responding to. Torres and him bounce ideas off each other and it seems to be working. Maybe a new voice was what was needed all along.
 

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I didn't see the game tonight but I'm watching the goal replays now. It feels like many of the Kingston goals were from Windsor playing tight D, but allowing rebounds or bounces past Costanzo. It's an improvement but... not enough.

I did catch Beller talking to Torres before the game. It sounds like Bowler's handling the offence right now while Torres has the defence. Torres commented that Bowler has been throwing out some unique ideas and "thinking outside of the box", which the players are responding to. Torres and him bounce ideas off each other and it seems to be working. Maybe a new voice was what was needed all along.
For awhile.
Results matter.
Or tune out happens
 

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From what I saw of Holmes last year, zero regrets. Lol.

For as weak as Peer is with the puck, he took advantage of Kingston a few times in the same fashion. Also good to see Peer log some goals, he’s been on some bad luck, hope it turns around

Spellacy was amped up tonight, love to see it.

I’m still not sure on no-goalie interference on that 4th one. Rules a goal initially so hard to over turn but bumping into Costanzo is what led the puck to shift in. Also wasn’t sure what Bowler and Torres were upset about in the scramble. Slewfoot maybe? I also didn’t think Spellacy deserved the penalty shot, but it’s OHL reffing.

Goals 2 & 3? Results of us being pushed back for lazy icing calls.. in the first period. Those responsible? Smith & Castle. Go figure. Sorry, I’ll take Martin these days. Not a super bright future, but there’s a bigger window for improvement and contribution.

Costanzo kept us in it and made some massive saves. It feels weird to give the goalie props in a 6-4 game, but I can’t fault him for his efforts tonight.

I don’t mind Bowler behind the bench at all right now. He needs change and he’s back there trying to get something going. He’s holding guys responsible and he’s mad we’re about to be 5-20, I would be too. I’ll take that over silence.

I’d bet He’ll be there Sunday too. Would be a stretch to hire an assistant and have them start on the road with no briefing or familiarity with the players first.
Agree with all of what you have posted, don't think Bowler will rush to get other coaches here,do the due diligence.
That being said I am done with both Colton Smith and Aiden Castle,the 2-04 born wingers have brought nothing to the table this season,very disappointing, Smith last scored 15 games ago,only 4 on the season,last year he had 22 in 63 games,Castle hasn't scored in 13,has 2 on the season,19 total last season,pretty sad imo,when you have a 1st rounder in Castle and a 2nd rounder in Smith with 7 and 6 points each,and you have a 15th rounder in Noah Morneau who has 7 points same stats as Castle and better defensively then both Smith and Castle.You can toss in the fact that 4th rounder Cole Davis and 2 years younger has more points and goals then Smith and Castle combined and twice the jam to boot.
Another player I am concerned about is 19 year Ryan Abraham, has really struggled lately 0 points in his last 7,did have 5 in previous 3 before these 7 but his game has cratred, I was hoping and still do that he returns to form ie last year before his injury, 25 points in last 17 games before his season ending injury.
As for last night even though disappointing results wise was pleased they didn't quit,most of them that is when down 4-1 in the 1st period.A couple of lucky goals against and a disputed one wasn't cool,Joey needs have back to back good games.
As for tomorrow 's game in Ottawa,I expect Michelone in goal for this one,1 because he is due in,2 he is from Kanata suburb of Ottawa a homecoming of sorts and 3rdly he has played well in 3 of his last 4 road starts.
Other changes I would make would be ,Castle,Smith,Toms out and Martin,Struthers and Winegard in.
 

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My point with Holmes is he has 7 goals already this season 5 on the PP and is only a -4. He quietly put up 30 points last year not being highlighted on the PP. We have 3 goals total from the D on our roster currently and Manzo the call up has 1 of them. Yes, prior to trade Dionicio had 5 goals 2 being PP goals. Last year Spits D scored 48 goals, the year before 41 . Teams collapse low on our PP knowing the outside threat is pretty much zero. None of our D have a quality hard shot that I've seen to date. The lack of the outside threat does not allow much room inside the box.
 

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My point with Holmes is he has 7 goals already this season 5 on the PP and is only a -4. He quietly put up 30 points last year not being highlighted on the PP. We have 3 goals total from the D on our roster currently and Manzo the call up has 1 of them. Yes, prior to trade Dionicio had 5 goals 2 being PP goals. Last year Spits D scored 48 goals, the year before 41 . Teams collapse low on our PP knowing the outside threat is pretty much zero. None of our D have a quality hard shot that I've seen to date. The lack of the outside threat does not allow much room inside the box.
Agree with your view re the PP,though I do think they have a guy that can shoot from the point on the PP and that guy is Mancini, last 2 years he has 24 goals,0 this year,has a good shot put him on the PP at the point,and have Christoforo and Woodall work the points on the 2nd PP unit.
 

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Agree with your view re the PP,though I do think they have a guy that can shoot from the point on the PP and that guy is Mancini, last 2 years he has 24 goals,0 this year,has a good shot put him on the PP at the point,and have Christoforo and Woodall work the points on the 2nd PP unit.
Agree Mancini needs to be highlighted for shots on the PP to get the defense moving out of the box. Hard shots cause more rebounds and deflection opportunities plus free up room in tighter for the wingers. Even the miss shot done purposely off the end boards often works or gets the D scrambling.
 

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Agree Mancini needs to be highlighted for shots on the PP to get the defense moving out of the box. Hard shots cause more rebounds and deflection opportunities plus free up room in tighter for the wingers. Even the miss shot done purposely off the end boards often works or gets the D scrambling.
They are using forwards on the point during the PP so goals from them don't show as D PP goals. But ya would be nice if a couple of D got going on the PP.
 

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They are using forwards on the point during the PP so goals from them don't show as D PP goals. But ya would be nice if a couple of D got going on the PP.
Not really. We have 4 current players who have PP goals for the Spits so far. Greentree 6 Davis 2 Abraham and Peer 1 each. I re-watched every PP goal this season for these plauers. Only Peers and 1 of Greentrees where they skated in from the point position. Greentree other 5 were at dot or inside dot fed from the sideboard and skated in. Davis was a wrap around and shot inside dot. Abraham as well. The thing is all PP goals if these guys came from left side. Davis wraparound was technically from the right but came around from left. Our PP needs to get something going from the right side. No direct shots higher than outside circles, no tip inside. Only 1 rebound goal which technically was a pass off the rebound to tge open side shooter
 
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Not really. We have 4 current players who have PP goals for the Spits so far. Greentree 6 Davis 2 Abraham and Peer 1 each. I re-watched every PP goal this season for these plauers. Only Peers and 1 of Greentrees where they skated in from the point position. Greentree other 5 were at dot or inside dot fed from the sideboard and skated in. Davis was a wrap around and shot inside dot. Abraham as well. The thing is all PP goals if these guys came from left side. Davis wraparound was technically from the right but came around from left. Our PP needs to get something going from the right side. No direct shots higher than outside circles, no tip inside. Only 1 rebound goal which technically was a pass off the rebound to tge open side shooter
Well yes.:) the fact remains that Greentree is playing in the D position and because he is sliding down to the halfwall and shooting from there does not take away that his numbers are considered as from a forward not a D. Exact play happened last night. Dionico use to do the exact play but they would be counted as from the D group.

Which group or who doesn't really matter as long as they continue to score from that play and position on the PP.
 

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They are using forwards on the point during the PP so goals from them don't show as D PP goals. But ya would be nice if a couple of D got going on the P
We both agree on that lol. I just want the opposition to fear our shots from the point to open things up further for the wingers and get something developing from the right side. Really other than Greentree who is fantastic our entire right side is dead during our PP and no goals. Imagine it working from both sides and the blue line.
 

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Strange karma on the bench for sure. Bowler visually looked like a pressure cooker at full steam. Castle non existent as usual. Costanzo was left hung out there . Spellacy looking real good. Holmes made us regret trade lol. Two steps forward last night 1 big step backwards tonight. Hopefully growing pains learning if you let off the coverage and effort for a second it will bite you in the ass quick. That shortie hurt bad. Had enough PP to get back in the game . Maybe Bowler on bench first hand will get feel quick on who else needs to go.
Watched the game on TV and was not amused. First guy I’d be looking to trade is Peer.unfortunately I doubt you could get a 2nd, probably a couple of thirds. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a player who has no inclination to get closer to the length of his stick from the other team. Certainly he can score and create offense, but the other team has a man advantage when it has control of the puck. At the end of the game Costanza was trying to get the coaches attention actually waving wanting to go the bench. No one was looking ar him.Sad situation.
 
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Watched the game on TV and was not amused. First guy I’d be looking to trade is Peer.unfortunately I doubt you could get a 2nd, probably a couple of thirds. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a player who has no inclination to get closer to the length of his stick from the other team. Certainly he can score and create offense, but the other team has a man advantage when it has control of the puck. At the end of the game Costanza was trying to get the coaches attention actually waving wanting to go the bench. No one was looking ar him.Sad situation.
Agree 💯 % with you. Yes Peer is dynamic but turns his body rear forward towards every opposing player when a shot is due to be released or contact may happen. I call it the Oliver Peerouette. Avoids every confrontation at all costs to protect himself from being hit or hurt blocking a shot. Is that what you want leading the younger players. " avoid contact "
 

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My point with Holmes is he has 7 goals already this season 5 on the PP and is only a -4. He quietly put up 30 points last year not being highlighted on the PP. We have 3 goals total from the D on our roster currently and Manzo the call up has 1 of them. Yes, prior to trade Dionicio had 5 goals 2 being PP goals. Last year Spits D scored 48 goals, the year before 41 . Teams collapse low on our PP knowing the outside threat is pretty much zero. None of our D have a quality hard shot that I've seen to date. The lack of the outside threat does not allow much room inside the box.
Holmes does have a good shot, but you think he’s putting up those numbers here this year? Kingston is one of the 19 teams better defensively than the Spits. It’s hard to get away with an offensive mindset as a D man, when you’re giving up 6 goals a game.

30 points? Yes. 12 points in 35 games with Windsor? Playing on the backend for Maggio, Wright, and Christopoulos.

Not digging on Holmes OA accomplishments, good for him, but content with our return given his underwhelming short season here.
 

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Not really. We have 4 current players who have PP goals for the Spits so far. Greentree 6 Davis 2 Abraham and Peer 1 each. I re-watched every PP goal this season for these plauers. Only Peers and 1 of Greentrees were they skated in from the point position. Greentree other 5 were at dot or inside dot fed from the sideboard and skated in. Davis was a wrap around and shot inside dot. Abraham as well. The thing is all PP goals if these guys came from left side. Davis wraparound was technically from the right but came around from left. Our PP needs to get something going from the right side. No direct shots higher than outside circles, no tip inside. Only 1 rebound goal which technically was a pass off the rebound to tge open side shooter
At least we’re not struggling to clear the blue line on the PP. Man that was rough. We could use a better shot in general, Greentree is the only standout sniper to me, but he’s kinda… gotta do everything.
 

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Problem is if you trade Peer, the offense dips quite a bit. He is on pace for 80 points. If you can somehow can a 2nd of course you do it. But I doubt it. IF you can get 2 3rds I would do it.
 
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Holmes does have a good shot, but you think he’s putting up those numbers here this year? Kingston is one of the 19 teams better defensively than the Spits. It’s hard to get away with an offensive mindset as a D man, when you’re giving up 6 goals a game.

30 points? Yes. 12 points in 35 games with Windsor? Playing on the backend for Maggio, Wright, and Christopoulos.

Not digging on Holmes OA accomplishments, good for him, but content with our return given his underwhelming short season here.
He was no not near being highlighted last year while a Spit. His 21-22 season he had 34 points, 30 points last year. Pretty consistent. Something this team needs. Does he end up with more goals than any Spits D this year. I'd bet on it. Cristoforo is on pace to have 3 goals and -63. As a side note since it has been exposed our entire D has little goal scoring results this year let's throw in Sobolev who has been a great plus ➕️ player every year and is still as plus this year even on Niagara. If we didn't have room for defensive D we certainly don't have room for horrible D combined with little offensive results.
 

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Problem is if you trade Peer, the offense dips quite a bit. He is on pace for 80 points. If you can somehow can a 2nd of course you do it. But I doubt it. IF you can get 2 3rds I would do it.
I'd do it for 1 2nd or 2 3rds. He may bring a 2nd and a young player or a 2nd and a 3rd. Remember Greentree was drafted later 2nd round 34th overall and what a gem he has been.
 

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Well we will never know about the room but he won't be back for either next year so take the picks.
I agree the picks/return is more important moving forward. The room sounds fractured already from comments of player(s) wanting out. Maybe one disconnect is veterans seemingly not reprimanded for poor play/discipline and the younger ones have been catching it. That is not fair if that is the case.
 
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