Wording right from the OHL on their priority draft primer
Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)
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Wording right from the OHL on their priority draft primer
This is different from cards, but a team can have 7 gold packages. The gold package includes a full no trade clause and a gauranteed 4 years of school. The standard package includes a no trade for their 1st 2 years and a year of school for each year in the league.
First rounders automatically receive a gold package. Therefore, Abraham, Outwater, Christaforo, Nesbitt and Belchez would have gold packages. I am guessing that Spellacy and Windbiel might have them also, since the both had other options and the Spits may have sweetened the deal to sign them.
First rounders automatically receive a gold package. Therefore, Abraham, Outwater, Christaforo, Nesbitt and Belchez would have gold packages. I am guessing that Spellacy and Windbiel might have them also, since the both had other options and the Spits may have sweetened the deal to sign them.
ohloutsider
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Actually you can get more info from the CRA, lol.
Hopefully a new commissioner will allow more transparency.
I agree so far the signings by Windsor has been impressive don't see anybody not wanting to play here,hopefully Garden gets signed along with Brocklehurst, though Brocklehurst would be placed in B imo
Robinson too if signed.
With only 2 goalies signed prior to today speaking of Costanzo and Froggett, not surprised Windbiel was signed and could him play mostly in the US this coming year,though maybe not saying conclusively Spits may move on from Costanzo at some time this coming year,time will tell,just happy Spits taking care of business on the ice relatively early.
Other players to keep an eye would be 3 forwards drafted last year ,Center Maxime Morin,and wingers Kyle Butt and Julian Gignac,all 17 year olds I can see at least 1 of them on the roster to start the year.
All three can play with an edge,Gignac had a great year with Lakeshore,while Butt and Morin had solid years where they played last season.
With the 06 players on the roster plus this year's drafts the 08/07 things look bright moving forward.
OHLTG
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I don't really care if money was involved. Play within the rules and we're set. Promises are a tricky thing but, if it works out, again, you do you.
As for Gignac, Butt, and Morin... Gignac is going to have a major jump to go from Jr C to the OHL. I'm not sure that's doable right now. Perhaps LaSalle instead? Morin had a solid season with U18s and I could see Jr B there, too. Butt saw one game in Jr A last season after full time in U18. He has history working against him, though, as the club hasn't had a 12th-rounder play in 20 years.
Realistically...
From last season, they lose:
F - Struthers, Zhugin, Greenwell, possibly Smith.
D - Toure, Toms, and maybe Winegard.
G - Donoso
Add in:
F - Belchetz, Lemieux, maybe Gaymes (2023)
D - Hicks, Manzo (2023), Hjelholt? (2023 U18)
G - Windbiel, Froggett (2022)
Let's say they get Brocklehurst and Garden in here. That's one more F in the lineup and one in Jr B. Sign Robinson and he goes to Jr B. Then, there's an Import, which could be either F or D.
Out of Butt, Gignac, and Morin, the only one I see with a shot at making the club next season is Butt... and even that's a bit of a stretch.
As for Gignac, Butt, and Morin... Gignac is going to have a major jump to go from Jr C to the OHL. I'm not sure that's doable right now. Perhaps LaSalle instead? Morin had a solid season with U18s and I could see Jr B there, too. Butt saw one game in Jr A last season after full time in U18. He has history working against him, though, as the club hasn't had a 12th-rounder play in 20 years.
Realistically...
From last season, they lose:
F - Struthers, Zhugin, Greenwell, possibly Smith.
D - Toure, Toms, and maybe Winegard.
G - Donoso
Add in:
F - Belchetz, Lemieux, maybe Gaymes (2023)
D - Hicks, Manzo (2023), Hjelholt? (2023 U18)
G - Windbiel, Froggett (2022)
Let's say they get Brocklehurst and Garden in here. That's one more F in the lineup and one in Jr B. Sign Robinson and he goes to Jr B. Then, there's an Import, which could be either F or D.
Out of Butt, Gignac, and Morin, the only one I see with a shot at making the club next season is Butt... and even that's a bit of a stretch.
NCAA image and likeness has upped the anti on compensation. They get paid for autographs, appearances, merchandise etc. Imagine royalties for jersey sales from the team paid to players with their name and number on them. That is the new reality competing for US players the CHL will need to keep up with.
Here is my preferred lineup for Windsor next season based on recent signings,plus returning players and more possible signings.
Goalies
Costanzo
Froggett
Windbiel
Defense
Christoforo, Eichler, Woodall,Walton,
Manzo,Winegard,Hicks and Euro dman
Forwards
Greentree, Belchetz, Davis,Spellacy,Morneau, Abraham, Nesbitt, Martin,Gaymes,Lemieux, Outwater, Gignac,Garden
Jr B
Brocklehurst-F
Morin-F
Butt-F
Greenwell-F
Lavigne-D
Hjelholt-D
Robinson-D
Newlove-G
As an aside assuming roster plays out like I wrote Greenwell would be moved
As well I could Windsor picking up an OA dman if the player they select in the Euro draft is a forward.
Not returning
aside from the graduating OAs would be forwards Colton Smith,Ryan Struthers and dman Connor Toms.
OHLTG
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Article from the Windsor Star regarding Windbiel...
OHL Director of Central Scouting, Darrell Woodley believes he has "franchise-type ability" and pro upside. Bowler was shocked to see the kid on the board so, after the pick, he called Woodley and asked "am i missing something?" Wood said that if Bowler can convince him to report, the kid is right there with the best in Ontario.
On draft day, the club asked Windbiel how commited he was to the OHL shortly before the pick. He was back-and-froth with the OHL and NCAA; they made the pick anyway.
The orientation camp was what won him over. Seeing the community, the other picks, talking to Bowler... he talked to his agent after that.
Windbiel said he wants to get into the pro life and, while it won't be easy, he wants to learn and grow. The club is going to take it slowly with him and they mentioned a similar path/program with DiPietro.
From all indications, this could be a steal.
OHL Director of Central Scouting, Darrell Woodley believes he has "franchise-type ability" and pro upside. Bowler was shocked to see the kid on the board so, after the pick, he called Woodley and asked "am i missing something?" Wood said that if Bowler can convince him to report, the kid is right there with the best in Ontario.
On draft day, the club asked Windbiel how commited he was to the OHL shortly before the pick. He was back-and-froth with the OHL and NCAA; they made the pick anyway.
The orientation camp was what won him over. Seeing the community, the other picks, talking to Bowler... he talked to his agent after that.
Windbiel said he wants to get into the pro life and, while it won't be easy, he wants to learn and grow. The club is going to take it slowly with him and they mentioned a similar path/program with DiPietro.
From all indications, this could be a steal.
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So Bowler convinced an American flyer pick to sign with the club despite our head coaching situation? But I thought our coaching staff made us unappealing to US kids with college options?
I love how quiet Rayzor gets when Bowler crushes his narratives, it's hilarious.
I love how quiet Rayzor gets when Bowler crushes his narratives, it's hilarious.
i cant remember the last jr c non goalie to jump from there to the ohl, its a massive loop, no way anyone can do that, thats why it doesnt happen.
Some talk of Savard ending up back in junior hockey.
hes applied for ohl gigs. i dont think hes as well regarded in the nhl as some think.
I would be a little apprehensive in regards to automatically giving Costanzo the nod for #1. Nobody believes he had a good season last year in fact the complete opposite. It can also be said that the Spits won't be as bad as this past year. Of course this is where you get into the improvement trap.
What happens if the team is improved by 20-22 points but still doesn't make the playoffs?? They gave up 5.29 gaa this past year if they shaved 1.30 off that it's still 4.00 not great but also people would say that's improvement. That may still not get them to where they want to be though. If Costanzo improves is that good enough to have him back as an OA??
I think the biggest issue coming into this year beyond who is going to be named coach is there are a group of players that had poor seasons and you wonder what their ceiling really is. Moving on from Toms/Toure/Struthers/Zhugin and figuring out what to do with Winegard/Martin/Morneau/Eichler/Smith isn't a recipe for making a huge leap in the standings. Adding Manzo/Belchetz/Lemieux/Hicks/import isn't going to solve all their problems. Nor should you expect those 5 just to solve them either. They need more development and accountability from everybody that's returning.
I think the biggest issue is what happens if guys like Outwater and Walton continue their struggles. What would you do? They just can't replace them. We saw that with the D last year thinking Toms was going to help address those issues.
They put far too much on Greentree's shoulders last year and he needs a lot more help, the D also needs a lot more help as well. It's very difficult to address all of that in one offseason.
costanzo, there are no other goalies in the league, in a non go for it year he may be all you go with, why give up pics for a stop gap. there are teams that would roll the dice on him
That would seem to jive. One year in St Louis. Not sure what he did in 20-21 unless it was nothing due to Covid, 2 years in Windsor, 1 year in Calgary. I understand why you would jump from the OHL to the NHL. Of course if he's not highly regarded in the NHL then he's left with the AHL or junior hockey. I think any junior team would want to make sure he sticks around longer than 2 years based on success obviously. At some point you can't just be jumping from one job to the next or you get the rep as a carpetbagger.
I am not saying go for it but to address a need on this roster. For example is Mississauga going to go with Leenders and Ivankovic as your duo again? It worked fine but Ivankovic will probably need more than 20 games in his draft year. Leenders would give you 2 years in net and not one of those years being an OA.
I am sure there are teams that would roll the dice on Costanzo absolutely I don't know if he would be a #1 with 15 other OHL teams though either.
Then we're going to have another great draft year and 25-26 will be insane.
I understand why people would be apprehensive tog giving Costanzo the number one spot… but he was our Starter last year, and he will be this year. At least to start. If someone challenges him and takes it Frogget/Altimann/Maybe…. MAYBE Windbiel, Great. But I have zero doubts that Costanzo is the current plan for this season as the #1 Goalie on the roster.
I've figured out what to do with Winegard and Smith, hopefully the Spitfires have too lol.
Eichler's Import draft dependent. Martin would be a fine 3rd/4th line guy on this team if we need the body (although it seems we've got better/younger options if we're just looking for size) and Morneau will be a mid-line guy, that we hope can generate some draft stock, and if not ends up being one of those OHL-Career, heart and hustle Spitfires.
We have room in the 04' Category and the assets to add a mid-tier D-Man that can eat up #2-#3 minutes if need be, but I'd rather struggle a bit and save anything for a year were actually going for it.
I really don't think the organization expected Greentree to carry Windsor to a great playoff push as the 17 year old captain.
I think Bowler and crew are smarter than they lead on. They knew the team was going to struggle, we knew it was a rebuild, and they through Smith into the fire in a sink or swim situation, knowing if he failed they could easily write it off on moving on from him, and not have fans upset they turned their back on a long time organization guy. It was a year they were cleaning house on more than just the 03's after the failed push the year before.
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I don't think the Spitfires feel a need to go for it this year. Out of the top 20 goalies, only Simpson, Drobac and Gaudreau are graduating as OA's. Then there's Saginaw who will need to move Oke/Lalonde, NB probably shopping DiVincetiis, but what's the benefit of bringing in an 04' OA Goalie that will be gone next year rather than to eat minutes from a guy that might be an instrumental part of the clubs success?
Bringing in Donoso last year made perfect sense, with how poorly the team was performing after blowing up the roster near the deadline.
at what cost? they are not at the point they can throw 6 picks at a goalie.
if you want a new goalie to pair with froggart, id look at thowing a late pick to guelph for slavik the import. release eichler and take whoever you have lined up at the top of the import draft.
I've heard the rumor he's applied for OHL gigs… I'm also under the impression he left the Spitfires on good terms.
I know this board may not be in favor of that, but the fact that the Spitfires have "no-coach" yet have signed their first 3 picks, and an American flyer goalie from the 7th round, who's supposed to be among the top of his age group… Makes me think that they have a little something going on behind the scenes we don't know.
I could see prospects and their families quickly overlooking a bottom 4 finish under a coach that's now gone if there's an opportunity to play for a team that one year before finished #1 in the regular season and two years before went to game 7 of the OHL finals… especially if the coach for the two productive years was back on board..
The main issue I remember hearing about with Savard/Players was Zito, and well if that's the issue.. after 23/24 I'm not putting that on Savard with the limited details I know...
I really think it will be Costanzo with Froggett if Windbiel can play and get reps in the US. Chicago's close enough… and if that's a possibility he could play 10 games before carding him right? 10 Games/Starts for a 16 year old goalie, is much more valuable than 4th line minutes for a Jr. B kid that gets the call up.
15% of the Games to Windbiel (10), 20 or so to Froggett, 40ish to Costanzo. And if Froggett challenges Costanzo for the crease, great. If he takes it from him, whatever.
Here's where I wish I had a simplified rule book, because could Windbiel dress and sit on the bench or does that count as a game towards his 10? Even if he doesn't play?
Then Next year the decision is made between Froggett/Costanzo, if both have bad seasons bring in an 05' Top Percentile OA Goalie, or maybe Windbiel is willing to take the reins by then. If both have good seasons, look to move one of them for something. I'm not going overly optimistic until we see Windbiel, but I've heard a lot of good things so far
id be careful of giving a kid the starting job, its a hard grind, carter george is a unicorn in that sense.
For goalies it's 10 games played not playing 2 for example and dressing for 10.
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