Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 4)

[Teflon]

Could it not be argued, the Spits had control of the puck and were playing it, or hell cycle a player in and out while staying behind the net. Hunter doesnt seem to be getting everything his way alot anymore and it’s getting to him. Hes also falling way behind the times in coaching talent. Its starting to cost him and his team. You have to wonder how long before he agrees to let someone else coach. Or cant he do that and has to walk away??

 

[RayzorIsDull]

This !!

Please someone explain the rule for not allowing a team to employ this strategy behind the net and a call for a face off at center ice. If one team can stand in the neutral zone, why can’t the other stand behind the net?

Or you could end up like this??

 

[Otto]

Could it not be argued, the Spits had control of the puck and were playing it, or hell cycle a player in and out while staying behind the net. Hunter doesnt seem to be getting everything his way alot anymore and it’s getting to him. Hes also falling way behind the times in coaching talent. Its starting to cost him and his team. You have to wonder how long before he agrees to let someone else coach. Or cant he do that and has to walk away??

They were not playing it. That was the problem.

As for Hunter... the team is still doing good, 1st in the division. They are doing better than everyone expected them to.

 

[dirty12]

Unfortunately GM there may have learned his lesson and took a page from Bowler's playbook as he fleeced Flint by trading winger Nolan Dann there for 6 draft picks, 1-2nd,3-3rds and 2-4ths
Dann had 6 goals at the trade deadline when he was dealt.
Having said that getting Costanzo just before the season started for a 4th, then getting Dionicio and Castle for Ride and O'Flaherty and picks plus all the picks for Zito and Ribau used to acquire Harrison and Wright it's like Bowler had his own Costco at his fingertips.
What trades engineered by Bowler this season, I thought last year was something, this year might just be something else and to be honest I never saw it coming,I thought respectable but not this especially with Johnston not returning.
The beauty Costanzo, Dionicio and three excellent draft picks,Christoforo, Greentree and Spellacy amongst others are back next year.
Enjoy the ride

Niagara did not evaluate Constanzo properly for sure.
They did profit from Zito trades. And probably did ok in getting a 2nd and likely 3.5 years of Ride, and O’Flaherty. I can only guess finding a taker for Castle softened the blow of giving up Dionicio.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Could it not be argued, the Spits had control of the puck and were playing it, or hell cycle a player in and out while staying behind the net. Hunter doesnt seem to be getting everything his way alot anymore and it’s getting to him. Hes also falling way behind the times in coaching talent. Its starting to cost him and his team. You have to wonder how long before he agrees to let someone else coach. Or cant he do that and has to walk away??

The video I just linked a faceoff was called in the defensive zone for Philly a couple times. After that they actually faux tried to move the puck around but never making an attempt to necessarily move forward.

It's fine it happened in a random game in the middle of January. It can be addressed down the line because the last thing the league wants is for this to happen in a game that has real things at stake.

 

[dino200022]

Hey if the Knights refuse to send anyone in on the forecheck, why not stand back there as much as you can for as long as you can, especially when you already have a lead. Knights fans were booing, but they should have been booing their own team for standing there doing nothing. Savard out coached Hunter simple as that, I fully expect it to happen again next time as well.

 

[Knownothing]

Rule 72

Week 8 - Refusing to Participate - NHLOA

Rule / Situation of the week Be the Referee!!! Welcome to our Rule/Situation(s) of Week! Welcome back! In this week’s column, we will go over a situation that happens several times every year; two teams refusing to play the puck! Yep, that’s right, there is sometime situations where both teams...

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It's not delay of game. There's a specific rule for refusing to play the puck. No penalty

Thanks. However there wasn’t a refusal to play the puck. The 2 D were moving it back and forth similar to killing a penalty with time and space. There is no rule for having to advance the puck.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Thanks. However there wasn’t a refusal to play the puck. The 2 D were moving it back and forth similar to killing a penalty with time and space. There is no rule for having to advance the puck.

You need to read the rule fully.

Rule #72, refusing to play the puck was created in order to enforce continuous action! So, once, the referees have determined that both teams will not be playing the puck (usually after 4-5 seconds have elapsed) one referee will then blow the play dead and follow rule #72 to determine where the next face-off with be held.

Like with anything it is up to the discretion of the on ice officials. Both teams aren't playing the puck therefore they choose where to have the face-off.

 

[dirty12]

That standing behind the net stuff was thankfully removed from the game for a while, but it’s back in a big way. It’s effective if you can suck the opposition in, it’s just so boring to see no movement for 10+ seconds. I’m not sure if it was the ‘67s started it up again

 

[Knownothing]

You need to read the rule fully.

Rule #72, refusing to play the puck was created in order to enforce continuous action! So, once, the referees have determined that both teams will not be playing the puck (usually after 4-5 seconds have elapsed) one referee will then blow the play dead and follow rule #72 to determine where the next face-off with be held.

Like with anything it is up to the discretion of the on ice officials. Both teams aren't playing the puck therefore they choose where to have the face-off.

Did read it. They were playing the puck, back and forth and therefore continuous action.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Did read it. They were playing the puck, back and forth and therefore continuous action.

The referee ruled both teams were not playing the puck.

Look at it from the POV of a puck getting high sticked in the offensive zone by a team. Offensive team is waiting for the defensive team to touch the puck but the defensive team probably shouldn't since the offensive team can still maintain possession of the puck. Hence why both teams aren't playing the puck and the puck is moved outside the zone.

 

[Knownothing]

The referee ruled both teams were not playing the puck.

Look at it from the POV of a puck getting high sticked in the offensive zone by a team. Offensive team is waiting for the defensive team to touch the puck but the defensive team probably shouldn't since the offensive team can still maintain possession of the puck. Hence why both teams aren't playing the puck and the puck is moved outside the zone.

Very different, no one is touching the puck let alone moving it player to player. Refs can interpret rules but when two players are moving the puck from behind the net to corner and back, the puck is being moved. I reiterate, there is no rule having to advance the puck.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Very different, no one is touching the puck let alone moving it player to player. Refs can interpret rules but when two players are moving the puck from behind the net to corner and back, the puck is being moved. I reiterate, there is no rule having to advance the puck.

Rule 72 has to deal with BOTH teams playing the puck though. It isn't necessarily advancing it.

 

[Otto]

Very different, no one is touching the puck let alone moving it player to player. Refs can interpret rules but when two players are moving the puck from behind the net to corner and back, the puck is being moved. I reiterate, there is no rule having to advance the puck.

OHL Rule 72.6 speaks about advancing the puck

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The OHL consists of 20 member teams, including 17 in the province of Ontario as well as three in the United States, with two in the state of Michigan and one in the state of Pennsylvania.

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[Knownothing]

OHL Rule 72.6 speaks about advancing the puck

Ontario Hockey League

The OHL consists of 20 member teams, including 17 in the province of Ontario as well as three in the United States, with two in the state of Michigan and one in the state of Pennsylvania.

ontariohockeyleague.com

That’s more like it. Thanks Otto I stand corrected. This applied repeatedly throughout a game would be frustrating. Gamesmanship on both sides but have to think the center ice face off favours the team without the puck at time of the infraction

 

[OHL 17]

Just another Hunter move to stir the pot.

He'll do anything to win, so Spits adopted "whatever it takes", as motivation. (especially playing the Knights!)

 

[Otto]

Just another Hunter move to stir the pot.

He'll do anything to win, so Spits adopted "whatever it takes", as motivation. (especially playing the Knights!)

The trap isn't new

 

[rve24]

Could it not be argued, the Spits had control of the puck and were playing it, or hell cycle a player in and out while staying behind the net. Hunter doesnt seem to be getting everything his way alot anymore and it’s getting to him. Hes also falling way behind the times in coaching talent. Its starting to cost him and his team. You have to wonder how long before he agrees to let someone else coach. Or cant he do that and has to walk away??

Kitchener did the same thing 10 or more years ago so I'm not sure Hunter got everything his way back then either. Thou eventually I think the refs did do something. Someone else might remember. Murphy was the one that did it the most. If I recall he would occasionally circle the front of the crease and return behind the net.
No biggie, just coaches playing games. One wasn't comfortable trying to attack the neutral zone, one didn't want to chase behind the bet.
I think it's funny personally.

Any remember how long Mark H got suspended for by Branch n league when they first took over the Knights? Maybe Branch is to thank for Mark putting his coach whistle away and picking up the GM phone instead.

 

[Teflon]

Oh im referring to more than just this issue with Hunter lmao…. The way hes behaved over the years just makes people dislike him! Before any knights lurkers wanna chirp, ive been privy to more than just on ice/during a game stuff. Hes not been so nice to your own players/people as well.

 

[Purple Phart]

Oh im referring to more than just this issue with Hunter lmao…. The way hes behaved over the years just makes people dislike him! Before any knights lurkers wanna chirp, ive been privy to more than just on ice/during a game stuff. Hes not been so nice to your own players/people as well.

Now you've probably gone and hurt his feelings....NOT !
Dale Hunter wouldn't give a rat's behind as to how you feel about him, and even if he was aware, it still wouldn't have any influence.

 

[OHLTG]

...yeah, this rivalry isn't alive or anything lol

 

[rve24]

Oh im referring to more than just this issue with Hunter lmao…. The way hes behaved over the years just makes people dislike him! Before any knights lurkers wanna chirp, ive been privy to more than just on ice/during a game stuff. Hes not been so nice to your own players/people as well.

I'm fully aware of what goes on as are you . Great for some players, not a good fit with others. Its verry much an our way or the highway in LK and results show for those that stick around will benefit. Some benefit from a move also. Some get buried on all teams. Same as all coaches in the O and management. You need only look at last year in Windsor for an example.
They all have things that are ok with and things that'll land you in the doghouse with little or no chance to get out. Personalities, expectations.......whatever.

Most fans of LK appreciate the angst the staff gives fans of other teams. Branks, as long time Spits fans will know was a master of "let's wind em up" when on the road. He did it to take the attention off the players. The players that love any coach/staff you can see why if your on a bench or in a room, the ones that don't you can also appreciate why.

Heck I had to rely a message for a coach who had been fined 2x in a season for "conduct" message was if I get another it's a fine the team won't pay lol. The ref actually asked what the F after the GM, you never say anything. We chuckled when I told him.

 

[hockeylegend11]

...yeah, this rivalry isn't alive or anything lol

Always enjoy beating London in their barn and wait for the fallout and I am sure London fans feel the same when they visit and win here.

 

[OHL 17]

The trap isn't new

Has nothing to do with the trap........it has to do with controlling the refs and trying to dictate how the game is played. Why would Hunter make such a big deal ...setting the table for the playoffs....control, control, control!

 

[Otto]

Has nothing to do with the trap........it has to do with controlling the refs and trying to dictate how the game is played. Why would Hunter make such a big deal ...setting the table for the playoffs....control, control, control!

Well... for starters the refs were not applying the rule