Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 8)

[RayzorIsDull]

Only 4 ohl players in round one. But theres no problem!!!!???
Further exposure of windsors 1 dimensional hockey. Only 1 player drafted and he was brought over. A team that pushes offense only produces some guys with artificial big numbers. The pros see it for what it is and draft accordingly. Im sorry but BB better realize you need a team with grit and the ability to play some D along with scoring. If not mediocrity will be all we have to cheer for!
Congrats to Dionicio!

When the Leamington Flyers have as many players drafted as Windsor nobody should be happy about that.

 

[windsor7]

When the Leamington Flyers have as many players drafted as Windsor nobody should be happy about that.

Absolutely

 

[OHLTG]

Fortunately, players know that being drafted doesn't guarantee and not being drafted doesn't end things.

 

[OHL 17]

Management covers cost with NHL money, so this does hurt!

 

[rve24]

Dionicio was picked just 20 spots after Meidema. Honestly for 23/24 I’d much rather have Dionicio.

Still Seems odd seeing Coulson Pitre going in the round before Meidema. One of those situations where one player went out and played way above expectations we the other played below.

I really don’t know what to expect from the Wright situation. If it’s OHL/NHL, the spitfires could end up with the cupboards getting re-stocked quick. Especially if Saginaw has interest.

For Wrights development, would guarantee him some big games, which he hasn’t really seen. Only Three playoff series since his entry to the league in 19-20. With the farthest being Kingston in 22’ losing in the 2nd round 4-1

Wright played in WJC and other U18 n other TC tournies, MM finals. He has played in big games. Just not ohl championships. He gets the pressure involved. But a crap load of ohl players have been successful pros with a few rds of ohl playoffs. Or players get drafted high in other leagues without league success. It's all about projections. I agree high pressure games help but he doesn't lack that regardless of OHL non PO rds.
It' probly helps a bit to have ohl success but it's down the list as far as importance to pro scouts.

 

[Cherrydon]

Knights 2 -1st rounders and 2 more today. Obviously they either develop players better or the scouts respect their program more than other teams. That does Sting s Spits fans. Players go to teams with a proven track record with the best chance to make the show one day. The missed Covid year still has reprocussions. Hopefully the OHL can garnish the attention again in the coming years to ne a coveted destination. 4 Flint players also drafted. Good for their program that turned around things for the best

 

[DetSpitsFan]

Wright played in WJC and other U18 n other TC tournies, MM finals. He has played in big games. Just not ohl championships. He gets the pressure involved. But a crap load of ohl players have been successful pros with a few rds of ohl playoffs. Or players get drafted high in other leagues without league success. It's all about projections. I agree high pressure games help but he doesn't lack that regardless of OHL non PO rds.
It' probly helps a bit to have ohl success but it's down the list as far as importance to pro scouts.

I don’t disagree, but if he returns and is moved to Saginaw, the memorial cup is far superior to MM finals.

I’m not saying his NHL career is doomed without Junior success, but from a development perspective, I don’t think he’s beyond growing in the OHL.

However, I said similarly of Johnston, but with WJ, I thought a year of physical growth/strength conditioning would’ve been well suited.

I don’t see how an exception can be made to the rule, if it’s confirmed he played 24/25 needed. The rules are in place to protect CHL teams. Breaking this could open a can of worms with owners/management (probably all behind closed doors).

If he ends up in OHL, I don’t think Windsor is a good place for his growth in a rebuild year.

 

[rve24]

I don’t disagree, but if he returns and is moved to Saginaw, the memorial cup is far superior to MM finals.

I’m not saying his NHL career is doomed without Junior success, but from a development perspective, I don’t think he’s beyond growing in the OHL.

However, I said similarly of Johnston, but with WJ, I thought a year of physical growth/strength conditioning would’ve been well suited.

I don’t see how an exception can be made to the rule, if it’s confirmed he played 24/25 needed. The rules are in place to protect CHL teams. Breaking this could open a can of worms with owners/management (probably all behind closed doors).

If he ends up in OHL, I don’t think Windsor is a good place for his growth in a rebuild year.

Yes a ohl final > MM final. Easy. But having been involved in a couple MM provincial OHL CUP tournies the attention n pressure is superior to a 1st or 2nd rd ohl playoff..
And the WJC trumps both as far as media pressure on the players.
I just don't see Wright with his physical stature, IQ, and need to be challenged to sink or swim benefitting from playing again in a league that won't challenge him where he needs to be challenged.
As far as the CHL/NHL agreement they have already agreed to exceptions for covid ( AHL eligibilty) and I think will do so again here.
It's a rare situation for sure but unique n rare given all the dynamics and to me ( JMO) good decisions outweigh policy. Just my opinion thou.
And I think the agreement gets ammended in the future but that's an aside.
Best thing for the player is to move on to SK or their AHL team and if an exception isn't made ( and your right it may open a can of worms but those worms equivalents to this specific situation are few and far between) it'll hurt the player and the CHL relationship with the NHL.

 

[OHLTG]

Best thing for the player is to move on to SK or their AHL team and if an exception isn't made ( and your right it may open a can of worms but those worms equivalents to this specific situation are few and far between) it'll hurt the player and the CHL relationship with the NHL.

But, at the same time, you never know when a case will come up. It's better to set the precedent now than risk issues down the road.

 

[tomschman]

I don’t disagree, but if he returns and is moved to Saginaw, the memorial cup is far superior to MM finals.

I’m not saying his NHL career is doomed without Junior success, but from a development perspective, I don’t think he’s beyond growing in the OHL.

However, I said similarly of Johnston, but with WJ, I thought a year of physical growth/strength conditioning would’ve been well suited.

I don’t see how an exception can be made to the rule, if it’s confirmed he played 24/25 needed. The rules are in place to protect CHL teams. Breaking this could open a can of worms with owners/management (probably all behind closed doors).

If he ends up in OHL, I don’t think Windsor is a good place for his growth in a rebuild year.

The retroactive rule change that I can see happening is the WJC games be included to determine the 25 games. I can see some validity to it because they are Junior level games,

 

[rve24]

But, at the same time, you never know when a case will come up. It's better to set the precedent now than risk issues down the road.

The risk in setting the prrecedent you prefer as a fan of team he played a 1/2 year for is that the NHL changes the agreement with the CHL moving forward to slant choices to pro teams.
And a precedent was already set due to covid and exemptions to the current arrangement to allow some players to go pro early ( AHL)

Didn't affect Windsor as Cuylle didn't make the criteria but it was an exemption that affected other CHL clubs.

Again, I just think do what's right based on the specific scenario JMO but Wright won't be back (I could be wrong) and JMO but has nothing to gain by being returned to the OHL as far Seattle is concerned. In fact it probly hurts his development going to any OHL team this year.
The kid is ready to move on. More so than any other player in his situation..........of which there are none.
Kid had a dull ohl career.
Seattle F up early in the year with handling Wright.
Unfortunately he got dinged up. Again Seattle held the hammer n dictated his return.
Windsor shit the bed rd 1.

Kid needs to move up, precedent or no. The stars will never align like this again so precedent schmeschident
And if they do I promise to back the player moving on.

 

[rve24]

But, at the same time, you never know when a case will come up. It's better to set the precedent now than risk issues down the road.

You shoulda quoted the whole text for context.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

But, at the same time, you never know when a case will come up. It's better to set the precedent now than risk issues down the road.

The OHL has been around for decades and this is the only time it has come up. Setting a precedent? There's a better chance you will see halley's comet twice in your life as compared to this one time thing.

 

[tomschman]

The risk in setting the prrecedent you prefer as a fan of team he played a 1/2 year for is that the NHL changes the agreement with the CHL moving forward to slant choices to pro teams.
And a precedent was already set due to covid and exemptions to the current arrangement to allow some players to go pro early ( AHL)

Didn't affect Windsor as Cuylle didn't make the criteria but it was an exemption that affected other CHL clubs.

Again, I just think do what's right based on the specific scenario JMO but Wright won't be back (I could be wrong) and JMO but has nothing to gain by being returned to the OHL as far Seattle is concerned. In fact it probly hurts his development going to any OHL team this year.
The kid is ready to move on. More so than any other player in his situation..........of which there are none.
Kid had a dull ohl career.
Seattle F up early in the year with handling Wright.
Unfortunately he got dinged up. Again Seattle held the hammer n dictated his return.
Windsor shit the bed rd 1.

Kid needs to move up, precedent or no. The stars will never align like this again so precedent schmeschident
And if they do I promise to back the player moving on.

Actually it did effect Windsor because Foudy met the criteria and was allowed to play in the AHL and was not returned to Windsor.

 

[OHLTG]

The risk in setting the prrecedent you prefer as a fan of team he played a 1/2 year for is that the NHL changes the agreement with the CHL moving forward to slant choices to pro teams.
And a precedent was already set due to covid and exemptions to the current arrangement to allow some players to go pro early ( AHL)

First, my opinion of the rule(s) here has *zero* to do with who I'm a fan of. I'd have the same opinion if it was an IceDog, a Greyhound, etc etc etc.

If you allow any player to bend/break the rule because it's just one game, regardless of how often it occurs, you're setting a precedence for the future. If you say "okay, Shane, the rule is 25 but we'll give you 24 for (reasons)", then that has to be a consideration down the road. How many games do they allow for bending/breaking?

I'm also not sure that you can call this COVID-19 related because it wasn't directly a part of that. We know that the suspended season already counts towards their "seasons played" totals with regards to whether or not they're eligible for the AHL. That applies to everyone so it's a non-factor in this case to me.

Didn't affect Windsor as Cuylle didn't make the criteria but it was an exemption that affected other CHL clubs.

It affected Windsor with JL Foudy. He played 30+ games which was over the 20-game minimum. That's why he stuck with the Eagles and didn't get returned to the OHL.

The thing about this specific situation is nobody expected it as recently as March. Nobody thought the Rangers would sweep the Spitfires which is the entire reason we're talking about this. One game was the difference. If they play Game 5, Wright's AHL-bound 100% and we're onto the next. You can't necessarily predict something like this could happen down the road. It's been a very strange few seasons for the OHL/CHL/NHL and I don't think anyone's Magic 8 ball had it.

 

[ohloutsider]

Cuylle played 19 games in the AHL and the rule was 20 games played . He missed by 1 and was returned. So the precident has been set and this decision was made during the height of Covid. We will see .

 

[hockeylegend11]

Cuylle played 19 games in the AHL and the rule was 20 games played . He missed by 1 and was returned. So the precident has been set and this decision was made during the height of Covid. We will see .

Actually Cuylle played 18 games in the American League not 19 according to Hockey DB.

 

[rve24]

Cuylle played 19 games in the AHL and the rule was 20 games played . He missed by 1 and was returned. So the precident has been set and this decision was made during the height of Covid. We will see .

Best post on the subject so far.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Actually Cuylle played 18 games in the American League not 19 according to Hockey DB.

Fortunately, players know that being drafted doesn't guarantee and not being drafted doesn't end things.

Agreed
In other news Spits have traded OA dman Jacob Holmes and a 5th in 2027 to Kingston for a 4th in 2024 (Niagaras),a 3rd in 2026 (Guelphs) and a 6th in 2024 Kingston's.
Fair value imo.

 

[windsor7]

Agreed
In other news Spits have traded OA dman Jacob Holmes and a 5th in 2027 to Kingston for a 4th in 2024 (Niagaras),a 3rd in 2026 (Guelphs) and a 6th in 2024 Kingston's.
Fair value imo.

Ok value back from a guy who didn't do anything here.

 

[OHLTG]

Holmes felt like the odd-man out, esp with Sobolev and Jodoin potentially returning. They didn't get as much as they gave up but a few picks is a decent return.

 

[rve24]

Holmes felt like the odd-man out, esp with Sobolev and Jodoin potentially returning. They didn't get as much as they gave up but a few picks is a decent return.

Ya OAs don't carry a ton of value in off season. Not a bad return at all.
But a net loss from asset management POV looking at the whole picture .Ya gotta take chances in adding bodies when your in the spot Windsor was in last year.

 

[DetSpitsFan]

Definitely didn’t prove to be worth what we paid, but glad we were able to get a halfway decent return before everyone filled in their OA slots.

Good to see the ball start rolling, hopefully we can continue to ship out pieces early before clubs fill their OA slots and we have to do a fire sale on 03’s

 

[Knownothing]

Ya OAs don't carry a ton of value in off season. Not a bad return at all.
But a net loss from asset management POV looking at the whole picture .Ya gotta take chances in adding bodies when your in the spot Windsor was in last year.

With what they gave up, return is putrid

 

[windsor7]

Holmes felt like the odd-man out, esp with Sobolev and Jodoin potentially returning. They didn't get as much as they gave up but a few picks is a decent return.

Ok return for a guy that didn't pan out here at all.