Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 8)

[ohloutsider]

4? Who’s the fourth?

Spellacy, Cristoforo and Greentree are the only one‘s from my estimation.

Went back and checked the list, yes only 3. Not sure how I saw 4 there? Sorry. Still a great showing for the Spits in that draft class.

 

[DetSpitsFan]

Spellacy, Christoforo and Greentree are the class to build around. Also Costanzo will not be in the AHL or NHL when those guys are hitting their stride despite being a year older. Pretty much every goalie gets an OA year in the OHL these days.

I think a couple middle of the pack years will be needed. It sucks having guys like Maillet and Christopolous get shipped out… but think about it.

We went all in and lost. Getting picks back for those guys we spent nothing on just reiterates how good of a deal it was.

A 5th round pick for 2 solid years of these players and walking away with some 2nd and 3rds, sounds better than these guys getting us to a home ice spot when we won’t be able to go against Saginaw or London.

Jodoin seems like a character guy, that will protect rookies and is good for the room, while those top scoring OA’s will fetch us a much bigger return and a better opportunity to build around the 06’ draft class.

Even the 04’ OA year has potential with DeAngelis and Abraham. I think Abraham may be getting looked at as his 21-22 abilities when he was very young and very outshined by Johnston, Cuylle, Zito. I could see him being a big point producer as soon as this year. He spent a lot of time injured, but it wasn’t an ACL or something that kept him off the ice all year/summer.

Unfortunately I don’t see a way to go for it in 23-24’. That means any OA worth something higher than a 5th round pick… should get it.

If Saginaw ends up having room, a Christopolous, Maillet could be super beneficial to them. Would reward those guys, giving them a memorial cup shot and get us some picks in the process.

Spits are still a top franchise, and at least we’ll get a regular season banner for 22-23… I guess lol

 

[OHLTG]

Went back and checked the list, yes only 3. Not sure how I saw 4 there? Sorry. Still a great showing for the Spits in that draft class.

Even if you get three Spitfires in the top 10 OHLers, that's potentially three first-round (or second at latest) picks. Huge props to Bowler, Savard, Evola, and the rest of the staff.

Unfortunately I don’t see a way to go for it in 23-24’. That means any OA worth something higher than a 5th round pick… should get it.

I'm actually looking forward to a rebuild, depending on who's shipped out. It's been a while since we had a true one and it'll give us a glimpse to how Bowler handles that side of the business.

 

[windsor7]

Even if you get three Spitfires in the top 10 OHLers, that's potentially three first-round (or second at latest) picks. Huge props to Bowler, Savard, Evola, and the rest of the staff.



I'm actually looking forward to a rebuild, depending on who's shipped out. It's been a while since we had a true one and it'll give us a glimpse to how Bowler handles that side of the business.

A rebuild is smart.
A half ass one is not.
Hopefully they r smarter this time..

 

[ohloutsider]

A rebuild is smart.
A half ass one is not.
Hopefully they r smarter this time..

A rebuild does not mean you have to blow the team up either. Lots of players to keep for the future. Just move out the players that won't be back next year. Still need to keep the team competitive.
Players like Abraham, Smith, Castle, DeAngelis and Dionicio are the ones you need to watch. What Bowler does/ doesn't do with those players are the ones that will tip his hand and what direction he might be leaning towards.

OA's are going to be gone either way so moving them will not be a surprise and should be expected.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Went back and checked the list, yes only 3. Not sure how I saw 4 there? Sorry. Still a great showing for the Spits in that draft class.

Agreed it was a great showing for the Spits considering where those 3 were drafted ,20th,34th and 63rd.
In fact here are top 5 teams last year and their point totals for 16 yr olds drafted and traded for.
1- Windsor -105 points (39G,66A) -5 players used
2-Saginaw-87 points,(45G,42A)-4 players
3-Missy- 81 points(32G,49A)-10 players
4-Kingston-70 points(25G,45A)- 3 players
5- Sault St -42 points(13G,29A)- 6 players
6-Erie- - 42 points(26G,16A)-4 players
Tied.
Here were the 5 lowest teams
1- Kitchener - 3 points(1G,2A)- 3 players
2-Peter -12 points(7G,5A)- 2 players
3-Owen Sd. -16 points(5G,11A)-4 players
4- Flint- -17 points(9G,8A)- 4 players
5-Guelph- -22 points(9G,13A)- 3 players

Interestingly London had 28 points 10G,18A with 4-16 year olds used,23 by acquired by dman Sam Dickinson 9G,14A but only 5 by drafted 16 year olds,and 1 of them their 1st rounder Luca Testa had 3 (1G,2A) was traded to Hamilton for Ryan Winterton.
Will be interesting what this season brings as Knights 1st rounder not reporting and their 2nd rounder a dman known for toughness and defense PJ Fagan,and Windsor with no 16 year olds after the 1st round till rounds 5 and 6,and in both those took a dman not known for their offense more D oriented.

With the 3 Spits,Christoforo, Greentree, and Spellacy,plus Davis and Woodall,I expect at least 2 from the 06 group added goalie Carter Froggett and winger Jack Dean to make this years team.
Will be interesting if Spits can entice American forward Joseph Delaurentis and Dman Evan Sofikitis here,both I think would make the team,especially Delaurentis, who btw was the only player drafted last year who didn't report to camp last year.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Spellacy, Christoforo and Greentree are the class to build around. Also Costanzo will not be in the AHL or NHL when those guys are hitting their stride despite being a year older. Pretty much every goalie gets an OA year in the OHL these days.

I think a couple middle of the pack years will be needed. It sucks having guys like Maillet and Christopolous get shipped out… but think about it.

We went all in and lost. Getting picks back for those guys we spent nothing on just reiterates how good of a deal it was.

A 5th round pick for 2 solid years of these players and walking away with some 2nd and 3rds, sounds better than these guys getting us to a home ice spot when we won’t be able to go against Saginaw or London.

Jodoin seems like a character guy, that will protect rookies and is good for the room, while those top scoring OA’s will fetch us a much bigger return and a better opportunity to build around the 06’ draft class.

Even the 04’ OA year has potential with DeAngelis and Abraham. I think Abraham may be getting looked at as his 21-22 abilities when he was very young and very outshined by Johnston, Cuylle, Zito. I could see him being a big point producer as soon as this year. He spent a lot of time injured, but it wasn’t an ACL or something that kept him off the ice all year/summer.

Unfortunately I don’t see a way to go for it in 23-24’. That means any OA worth something higher than a 5th round pick… should get it.

If Saginaw ends up having room, a Christopolous, Maillet could be super beneficial to them. Would reward those guys, giving them a memorial cup shot and get us some picks in the process.

Spits are still a top franchise, and at least we’ll get a regular season banner for 22-23… I guess lol

I still think the Spits will be hard pressed to be remotely close to what they have been the prior 2 years in the future. If we are being honest we can talk about how the 06 class looks real good. Of course the 05 class wasn't good at all. With very few lottery tickets this past draft it will be difficult to build a team around the 06 group. That does not preclude them from being good but there's a stark contrast between good and contender.

 

[ohloutsider]

I still think the Spits will be hard pressed to be remotely close to what they have been the prior 2 years in the future. If we are being honest we can talk about how the 06 class looks real good. Of course the 05 class wasn't good at all. With very few lottery tickets this past draft it will be difficult to build a team around the 06 group. That does not preclude them from being good but there's a stark contrast between good and contender.

I think 25-26 is the realistic goal for a run but it is critical to stockpile picks if there is any hope of a run. In the meantime they still look strong enough to be competitive building towards that.

 

[DetSpitsFan]

I still think the Spits will be hard pressed to be remotely close to what they have been the prior 2 years in the future. If we are being honest we can talk about how the 06 class looks real good. Of course the 05 class wasn't good at all. With very few lottery tickets this past draft it will be difficult to build a team around the 06 group. That does not preclude them from being good but there's a stark contrast between good and contender.

There’s a lot of OA pieces this year and a lot of good 04’s next year that will draw quite a bit of interest around the league. Moving some 03s/04s for some 06’s/07’s would be tough. But swapping out some talented players now for some draft picks that are still draft picks in 2-3 years, provides the opportunity to makeup for that.

If we don't move anyone and just release our 4th and 5th OA's, yeah, we're screwed

 

[OHLTG]

If/when they move out 03s and 04s, I expect mostly picks in return with maybe some depth players who need a chance of scenery (ala Christo/Maillet/Johnston).

 

[ohloutsider]

NHL draft next week. Any thoughts? I see 2 potential picks but 1 is most likely.
Dionicio will likely be picked. I'm thinking rounds 4 to 6
DeAngelis has an outside shot. I'm thinking rounds 6 to 7. Seeing him picked as an underrated player by the GM's makes me think NHL teams may have some interest.

 

[OHLTG]

I wouldn't be surprised if Christo gets a look, too. You don't score 49 goals in the OHL without being noticed.

 

[nelli27]

Shane Wright is in the right spot, but he may have to return to OHL next season

The No. 4 pick in the 2022 NHL Draft had to yo-yo around this season and may have to do it again in the next campaign because of the NHL-CHL agreement.

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[OHLTG]

It's going to be worth watching this summer. He's done alright in the minors but isn't exactly dominating. Would another season in the OHL be best? I don't know. He has nothing really to prove here and I don't know that the motivation would exist. I'm glad Windsor holds his rights, though. Worse comes to worse, he returns, gets traded at the deadline for a pretty sum, and everyone moves on.

 

[ohloutsider]

I wouldn't be surprised if Christo gets a look, too. You don't score 49 goals in the OHL without being noticed.

Don't think you will see him drafted but not going to be surprised if he signs a deal coming out of an NHL camp. Likely an AHL 2 way deal . But never say never as there is likely interest in him.

 

[windsor7]

It's going to be worth watching this summer. He's done alright in the minors but isn't exactly dominating. Would another season in the OHL be best? I don't know. He has nothing really to prove here and I don't know that the motivation would exist. I'm glad Windsor holds his rights, though. Worse comes to worse, he returns, gets traded at the deadline for a pretty sum, and everyone moves on.

Why would another team pony up a big sum for Wright when his motivation probably won't be there? That's Windsor problem not others..

 

[sbpointer]

It's going to be worth watching this summer. He's done alright in the minors but isn't exactly dominating. Would another season in the OHL be best? I don't know. He has nothing really to prove here and I don't know that the motivation would exist. I'm glad Windsor holds his rights, though. Worse comes to worse, he returns, gets traded at the deadline for a pretty sum, and everyone moves on.

I think W7 is right either way Windsor is taking the L on the Wright trade.
I disagree with yours ( and many others ) assertion that he has nothing left to prove in the OHL. He really has never shown he can be " THE GUY " that can take over a game.
Some would argue he had a good juniors this year but Bedard ( maybe an unfair comparison ) at a younger age way out performed Wright.
Another year an opportunity to be a positive leader and maybe a playoff run wouldn't hurt Wright

 

[OHLTG]

If the motivation is there, you get a king's ransom for the guy, esp if he's dominating a full season.

If the motivation isn't there, you're still going to recover enough that it's not an L for Windsor. They have plenty of time to recover the rest of the picks and losing Miedema isn't the end of the world, barring some insane breakout season.

 

[windsor7]

If the motivation is there, you get a king's ransom for the guy, esp if he's dominating a full season.

If the motivation isn't there, you're still going to recover enough that it's not an L for Windsor. They have plenty of time to recover the rest of the picks and losing Miedema isn't the end of the world, barring some insane breakout season.

If no motivation u won't get alot.
Why would a gm from another team over pay for a rental player with no motivation.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

I think W7 is right either way Windsor is taking the L on the Wright trade.
I disagree with yours ( and many others ) assertion that he has nothing left to prove in the OHL. He really has never shown he can be " THE GUY " that can take over a game.
Some would argue he had a good juniors this year but Bedard ( maybe an unfair comparison ) at a younger age way out performed Wright.
Another year an opportunity to be a positive leader and maybe a playoff run wouldn't hurt Wright

I guess that would depend on your perspective. He put up 94 points in his draft year, ppg in the playoffs that year. If he had played a full year in the OHL this year he puts up over 100 points and that's not his best trait.

 

[Teflon]

My .02. He has lots to prove. Hes not ready for the show some come back and hone your craft. Big minutes, WJ…. His attitude will be fixed if it really was bad, the pros have ways to make your attitude real rosy! For sure id run with him knowing full well hes likely traded to a contender.

 

[dirty12]

I guess that would depend on your perspective. He put up 94 points in his draft year, ppg in the playoffs that year. If he had played a full year in the OHL this year he puts up over 100 points and that's not his best trait.

Not many 17 yr olds are shadowed and face double coverage near the puck yet accumulate the 8th most points in the league and pts/g in their draft year. The next highest scorers his age were 27 then 50, that is dominant imo.

 

[OHLTG]

If no motivation u won't get alot.
Why would a gm from another team over pay for a rental player with no motivation.

People said he had no motivation last season and he still put up two points per game in the reg season on top of being injured. Add in the fact that he went out early last season and, the more that I think about it, the more I can see why he'd want to end his junior career on a high note. If I'm him, and I'm sent back, I want to dominate in every way possible.

 

[windsor7]

People said he had no motivation last season and he still put up two points per game in the reg season on top of being injured. Add in the fact that he went out early last season and, the more that I think about it, the more I can see why he'd want to end his junior career on a high note. If I'm him, and I'm sent back, I want to dominate in every way possible.

Rebuilding team..

 

[OHLTG]

Rebuilding team...

If they get him back, you build up his value until January, then sell, sell, sell. Nobody said "oh, he's back? Title run!" In fact, he could be exactly what the team needs in terms of the future.