Windsor Spitfires 2017-18 Season Thread (Part 1)

[youngblood10]

wow..
maybe mod can open up a thread so you can throw stones at one another.. agree to always disagree no matter what the topic

One thing everyone can agree with is that the Spits organization gives those entrenched at extreme ends of the spectrum plenty of fuel to justify their beliefs. Which in itself is a neat phonomon to witness.

 

[OHLTG]

DiGiacinto given tryout at Winnipeg rookie camp.

 

[punch1943]

OHL wheeling and Dealing

So far no moves from the Spits but at least four deals made today, one of which saw a goaltender moved by Sudbury. Some great acquisitions arriving from the US of A but not here....

 

[OHLTG]

Windsor's already made the moves they needed to. That said, WR is WR; never say never.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

So far no moves from the Spits but at least four deals made today, one of which saw a goaltender moved by Sudbury. Some great acquisitions arriving from the US of A but not here....

Raftis has done a terrific job at the Soo has followed up Dubas. They went from one elephant hunter to another.

 

[SpItFiReZ]

Sounds like Perry Wilson is the new goalie coach.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Spits

Sounds like Perry Wilson is the new goalie coach.

If true, excellent choice,saw him working with Dipietro today at the rink, Dipietro has been coached by him before.

 

[punch1943]

Windsor's already made the moves they needed to. That said, WR is WR; never say never.

I think Windsor has made all the moves WR was able to make at this time would be a much better way tp phrase it.

 

[dirty12]

That's good and entirely different from my point that scouting/development/coaching all need to get better. When 7 of your last 9 draft picks into the NHL have either been 1st or 2nd round NHL picks there is an issue with scouting it's not even really up for debate. I won't get too much into the development/coaching side because a lot of these other draft picks after round 2 didn't have a lot of upside to begin with from Brown/Murray/Verbeek/Hughes etc. etc.. It's clear as day why the Spits haven't been able to take that next step as an organization and why the rebuild looks like a long and arduous one at that. I understand some fans want to bask in the limelight of a Memorial Cup but when it gets down to cycles and rebuilds fact of the matter is more rebuilds fail than succeed.

Can't just go the round player was picked in OHL because some of your examples ...ho sang, brown... were traded for with multiple picks that other teams became responsible for developing. Also, Windsor forfeited some picks that could have been players to develop; maybe, there would be four more drafted
The Spits are memorial cup champs, be happy.
The hounds are competitive; but, won nothing the only year they had any real chance

 

[windsor7]

It would just be nice to c some consistency n see windsor win some games or rounds in the playoffs.
Other than they hosting the cup they have done nothing once the season is done in March in a bunch of years.
Tough to draw fans.
Not like they can bid on the cup each time. I doubt they even bid on it for awhile.
Guess fans do save money and can spend it elsewhere
That is a plus!

 

[Netter]

Exactly.....
We will have a Decent team this year

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Can't just go the round player was picked in OHL because some of your examples ...ho sang, brown... were traded for with multiple picks that other teams became responsible for developing. Also, Windsor forfeited some picks that could have been players to develop; maybe, there would be four more drafted
The Spits are memorial cup champs, be happy.
The hounds are competitive; but, won nothing the only year they had any real chance

Brown and Ho-Sang were each selected while being members of the Spitfires. They had to forfeit picks and that hindered them but that doesn't preclude them from drafting good players in the 4th/5th/6th round etc.. Also you missed my point because the Spits did their best drafting recently in the 1st/2nd round a rebuild doesn't work if you only hit on round 1/2. The first Spits cycle was successful because of the picks after round 2.

Garrett Wilson leveraged to get an import pick which was Loktionov. If there's no Wilson I doubt you get Loktionov.

Ben Dubois round 4 played 183 games in the OHL

Yogan round 5 which was leveraged to get Maxwell who was later moved along with others to get Shutron/Timmins/Unice

Soucie round 5 130+ OHL games

Ryan round 7 100+ OHL games

Wellwood round 4

Hackett round 5 leveraged to acquire Neuvirth then later moved to acquire Shugg/Mitchell

Looking at those picks alone isn't going to win you a title but drafting Nemisz/Henrique/Cundari/Hall/Ellis..... Right now the Spits don't have many 2nd rounders in the bank. You could see things change drastically as well if Brown stuck in the NHL for instance and the only pieces you have as leverage to gain any picks back are DiPietro and Vilardi.

 

[dirty12]

The point was Windsor lost draft picks; and, used most of the others acquiring drafted players. Half of the team not drafted while with the Spits were drafted before their arrival. You cannot simply state that the Soo had more drafted players. There are other factors involved

 

[RayzorIsDull]

The point was Windsor lost draft picks; and, used most of the others acquiring drafted players. Half of the team not drafted while with the Spits were drafted before their arrival. You cannot simply state that the Soo had more drafted players. There are other factors involved

You're totally missing the point as you must have missed this post.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=135370063&postcount=685

If there was only a way to look at draft success on a comparable level....

From 2012 to 2016 the years that players have been eligible for the NHL draft.

Soo Greyhounds have made 80 selections in the OHL draft with 17 selected by NHL teams for a 21.25%.

Windsor Spitfires have made 70 selections in the OHL draft with 9 selected by NHL teams for a 12.85%.

You want to mention how the Spits didn't have a 1st rounder well that only takes into account 1 season and that was 2013 with Ryan Moore who was a 2nd rounder. Ironically the Soo had a 1st round pick in 2014 with Salinitri but he was moved in a deal for DeAngelo from Sarnia. Salinitri is not included in those 17 picks because he was a draft pick while playing for Sarnia. So in regards to lack of a 1st round pick the teams were on equal footing. You talk of other factors involved what would those other factors be? Even if the Spits had that extra 1st round pick and he was an NHL pick that would bring it to 10/71 for 14% which is still off from what the Soo has accomplished.

Your point doesn't hold a lot of water because both teams were active in regards to trading for NHL drafted players. The players for the Spits were already mentioned earlier but the Soo traded for NHL drafted players like Ritchie/DeAngelo/Bailey. So tell me again what are these other factors that need to be included??

 

[OHLTG]

They had to forfeit picks and that hindered them but that doesn't preclude them from drafting good players in the 4th/5th/6th round etc

Aaron Luchuk - 4th round 2013 - back-to-back 25+ goal seasons.
Christian Fischer - 11th round 2013 - 90 point season for us
Cole Carter - 4th round 2015 - 53 points in 96 games for Windsor.
Luke Boka - 5th round 2015 - breakout campaign in 2016-17.
Cole Purboo - 9th round 2015 - 11 goals in 2016-17.
Chris Playfair - 4th round 2016 - held own in 2016-17
Tyler Angle - 6th round 2016 - regular on veteran squad 2016-17

The last three players - Purboo, Playfair, and Angle - will get more playing time in 2017-18 with the rebuild.

Regarding the first cycle...

It's strange to use Dubois as an example given he had just two points in 46 games for Windsor in his career.

Ron Soucie is in the same boat - 48 games played for Windsor.

This season is going to be big for the team because it'll give the young players a chance to show what they can do. It all starts with camp; first impressions are big.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Aaron Luchuk - 4th round 2013 - back-to-back 25+ goal seasons.
Christian Fischer - 11th round 2013 - 90 point season for us
Cole Carter - 4th round 2015 - 53 points in 96 games for Windsor.
Luke Boka - 5th round 2015 - breakout campaign in 2016-17.
Cole Purboo - 9th round 2015 - 11 goals in 2016-17.
Chris Playfair - 4th round 2016 - held own in 2016-17
Tyler Angle - 6th round 2016 - regular on veteran squad 2016-17

The last three players - Purboo, Playfair, and Angle - will get more playing time in 2017-18 with the rebuild.

Regarding the first cycle...

It's strange to use Dubois as an example given he had just two points in 46 games for Windsor in his career.

Ron Soucie is in the same boat - 48 games played for Windsor.

This season is going to be big for the team because it'll give the young players a chance to show what they can do. It all starts with camp; first impressions are big.

You totally missed the point as well guys like Dubois and Soucie were insulated because they had great players around them. Now guys like Boka/Purboo/Angle/Playfair will be asked to do a heck of a lot more than what the Spits ever expected of them.

You include players that weren't even drafted by NHL teams while playing for the Spits which is pretty weird since we have been talking about nhl draft picks but as you were.

 

[OHLTG]

Is it Monday yet? LOL

Teams are releasing camp rosters. Will Windsor release theirs pre-camp?

 

[punch1943]

Is it Monday yet? LOL

Teams are releasing camp rosters. Will Windsor release theirs pre-camp?

You have to say it's safe enough to release it now that the STH have put their $$$ on the line. Perhaps the team is a bit embarrassed to show the roster after the loaded team we had for the Memorial Cup.
I'd guess 'Peter Parker' will have it online later tonight or at the latest in the local rag tomorrow.
I guess they figure walk-ups won't have interest in training camp....

 

[OHLTG]

Why would they be embarrassed? It's no secret that a rebuild was going to happen and it's no secret that the majority of the veterans were gone. If you expected the same roster, that's on you, not the team.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Why would they be embarrassed? It's no secret that a rebuild was going to happen and it's no secret that the majority of the veterans were gone. If you expected the same roster, that's on you, not the team.

“We’re going to have a good team, but we have look at stockpiling some picks we lost,†Rychel said. “It’ll be a good team, but also a rebuild where a lot of our young guys play.â€

How can you be both? This is where my issue is you can't be both.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

You have to say it's safe enough to release it now that the STH have put their $$$ on the line. Perhaps the team is a bit embarrassed to show the roster after the loaded team we had for the Memorial Cup.
I'd guess 'Peter Parker' will have it online later tonight or at the latest in the local rag tomorrow.
I guess they figure walk-ups won't have interest in training camp....

There really won't be that much interest in training camp with only 1 home exhibition game. That's one thing the organization got right being in this tournament. They play 3 games out of town and the local people don't have to dish out money to watch horrible OHL exhibition hockey.

 

[OHLTG]

“We’re going to have a good team, but we have look at stockpiling some picks we lost,†Rychel said. “It’ll be a good team, but also a rebuild where a lot of our young guys play.â€

How can you be both? This is where my issue is you can't be both.

You can be good while rebuilding; keeping some veterans who can produce while being a young team. Guys like Luchuk, Vilardi, Boka, Nother, DiPietro, etc. will all play a big role.

As for camp - I can see there being an interest given what happened in May. There's going to be a curiosity there to see what happens next. Add in that there's only one exhibition game for fans, that could add in extra people to camp. A "see them while you can" thing.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

You can be good while rebuilding; keeping some veterans who can produce while being a young team. Guys like Luchuk, Vilardi, Boka, Nother, DiPietro, etc. will all play a big role.

As for camp - I can see there being an interest given what happened in May. There's going to be a curiosity there to see what happens next. Add in that there's only one exhibition game for fans, that could add in extra people to camp. A "see them while you can" thing.

You will see very little of Vilardi this year.

 

[OHLTG]

You will see very little of Vilardi this year.

I would hope he's at least around for the first-half of the season, once healthy. Deal him at the deadline.

 

[punch1943]

Why would they be embarrassed? It's no secret that a rebuild was going to happen and it's no secret that the majority of the veterans were gone. If you expected the same roster, that's on you, not the team.

What kind of reply is that? If you expected the same roster that's on you, not the team Enough of your snide condescending remarks.