His true potential will never be unlocked with crap for linemates.
It's objectively true he's being asked to carry a 2nd line with 3rd line teammates.
It's objectively true he's being asked to carry a 2nd line with 3rd line teammates.
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And he still leads the team in scoring. He’s the first taken off the PP, than comes back and scores. He is the best player on the team
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My only complaint is I wish he’d add a bit of Kucherov to his game and start getting his elbows up on the wall.
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still?
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If you read the second sentence, it becomes pretty obvious that he is referring to goalscoring, not point totals.still?
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Yes the first sentence is about being the leading scorer and the second sentence is about goals. I was correcting their mistake in the first sentence.
You're just arguing semantics at this point as an excuse to showcase Marner as the leading scorer for the team, but his point still stands. Nylander has been our best player so far and will continue to be until Matthews starts playing like he usually does.
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Semantics, I guess I should have been more specific. He is literally 1 point behind Marner. Has 9 goals, got yanked off the first PP and has temporarily brought Tavares and Patches back to life. But yes, let’s say Marner is the “leading scorer”.
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A goal is twice as good as any old assist.
Seems pretty important to him so may as well let him have it.
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For now, I expect Matthews will be by the end of the year.
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It has nothing to do with Marner, I didn’t mention him. The pack obsession to make everything about Marner is pretty weird.
I know a few see Nylander as the best player, not sure it’s seen that way universally. Coach certainly doesn’t agree.
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Yup that’s why they allow 2 assist per goal to make players that don’t score much feel good
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He needs to be better
13 pts in 13 games isnt going to cut it at 11.5M
Luckily for him 13.25M and 10.93 top line duo have been worse as they play together
Right now all 3 of Matthews, Marner, Nylander are underproducing. Hopefully can get it going these next 10-15 games
13 pts in 13 games isnt going to cut it at 11.5M
Luckily for him 13.25M and 10.93 top line duo have been worse as they play together
Right now all 3 of Matthews, Marner, Nylander are underproducing. Hopefully can get it going these next 10-15 games
In fairness he laccs assists which means no one else is scoring much on his line
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What he needs is more ice time. He had almost 5 minutes less than Matthews against the Wild. That shouldn't happen.
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Lool naw
Pt is a point.
Players who are either bad play makers or having bad play making usually ahve fans pretend gap in goals can make up gap in total pts.
We see usually big time goal scorers struggle more in the playoffs vs all around elite pt producers (Matthews, OV some runs, Heatley, Stamkos, etc for example)
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Pastrnak scores 110 points a year with crap line mates. When you demand to be paid as elite it isn't on your team mates to make you a superstar. He has to find the gear he had first half of last season.
But a ppg on 18:00 a night is hardly choking and right now P-T-N are the runaway leaders on the club for ES production. Willie is well ahead of his ES game from last year. Right now its the pp that needs to get rolling.
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Stamkos almost doubled his peak assist total as a 32 year old coming off multiple serious injuries, did he suddenly learn how to playmake after over a decade in the league or is it maybe driven largely by where the coach puts you on the transition and PP?
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He improved significantly as a playmaker with more offensive tools around him and his goal scoring having been reduced after his major injury in 2014ish
You were previously pretending that panarin and tavares gap was usage and PP role. It is not simply where a coach puts you, you have to be able to create and balance being a shooting and passing threat to be a very dangerous and valuable offensive player.
Stamkos playmaking took off from 2016.
2008 - 2015 (peak goal scoring window for him)
492 games, 276 G and 222A for 498 pts. 46G + 37A per 82. Very good in low scoring league window (2008-2017)
2016 - 2024 (when he became a dual offensive threat) 590 games, 279G & 360A for 639 pts. 39G + 50A per 82.
Similar jump in playoffs as from 2011-2016 he had 35 pts in 49 games good for 59 per 82
While 2017-2024 he had 66 in 79 good for 69 per 82.
His ability to playmake and facilitate made him somewhat valuable in the playoffs as his goalscoring fell off hard routinely pre and post injury.
Elite playmakers can break the game down and be able to open lanes and find seams for their teammates.
Matthews pass on the PP yesterday was an elite look he got through. Usually he holds on too long, skates out of a nice cross seam position or doesnt drag a defender towards him to create a clean look for nylander or sometimes marner.
Play making requires patience and ability to chance pace to confuse a defense. Along with great passing precision and often elite hands.
Goal scoring requires precision and ability to postion your body to beat set or moving goalies. Along with great shooting aim and power
Playmakers usually win most of the major awards (hart, lindsay, ross, smythe) while goal scorers usually win the rocket alone
2008-2010 OV was one of the rare exceptions where an elite goal scorer was also a strong enough play maker to contend and be 1st in ppg for 3 years in a row.
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Yeah, just a couple or so right?
No one is talking about who the best player on the team is on a regular basis, we know the answer to that question. However, Matthews hasn't even been the best forward on his line for most of these games, so I fail to see how you could make an argument that anyone (besides Stolarz if you count goalies) has performed better than him AS OF NOW.
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