Proposal: William Nylander for Alexis Lafrenière & Alex Georgiev

[SensontheRush]

1 NHL PP point. Dude leads NYR in even strength goals scored since he became a Ranger. Again I love how everyone wants him but the second NYR say no everyone starts shitting on him.

It would be impressive if the goals were impressive, but they aren't. I'm pretty sure 80-90% of Lafreniere's goals have been tap ins and goals scored off of him.

He has good hockey sense and positioning though.

 

[34]

T.O says no.

 

[heretik27]

It would be impressive if the goals were impressive, but they aren't. I'm pretty sure 80-90% of Lafreniere's goals have been tap ins and goals scored off of him.

He has good hockey sense and positioning though.

Except it's really not that impressive when you consider the goal posts this guy is moving to say that...

Laf since the beginning of 2020-2021 is second in EVG on the Rangers with 25 behind Kreider at 27. That's 25 goals in 118 games... it's nothing special even if you ignore the way they were scored. It just shows the Rangers had no big scoring threats more so than anything else. In that time Laf has produced at a .36 ppg pace. With that being said, Hughes had two underwhelming seasons from a production standpoint before breaking out this season. Laf's still young, he can still improve a lot.

 

[bernmeister]

LaF has only been minimally impressive on what he's accomplished to date
BUT
we see the skating and it is improving and the upside is potentially MASSIVE

so he's not getting moved unless there is something worth thinking about -- an overpay of consequence for his value now, and that still has to be weighed vs his ongoing trajectory upward w/improvement

 

[ITM]

Thoughts?

Kallgren and Petruzelli buy us time to evaluate our goaltending needs to say nothing of Jack Campbell. And should Jack Campbell make it to free agency, I believe he becomes the most sought after G FA.

Nylander plays a secondary role at a ppg and in the last two playoffs has also been a ppg. Then there's the advanced stats particularly Nylander's offensive zone entry numbers...and then there's the unlocked potential; I think Nylander leading a team would be a top tier point producer.

And then there's the intra-conference trade element. Not sure I want to trade William Nylander to that Rangers team that seems to be getting scarier and scarier.

If we were going to trade Nylander in conference, I'd rather your desired combination of winger and goalie be Batherson and Forsberg from Ottawa. Cost-controlled a little more proven, a heck of a heavier lift in Ottawa to present that franchise as any sort of ongoing threat when they come to Toronto.

So for the model proposed: Keep Nylander.

 

[Paul4587]

96 bday - 2016-17 season (the same age Laf is now), Nylander had 61 points in 81 games.
in his rookie season 13 points in 22 games.
01 bday - 2020-21 Rookie season Laf scored 21 points (1 less than Nylander) but played 34 more games.
in season 2, 2021-22 (same age as Nylander's 2016-17 season) he is barely better than his rookie season with 22 points in 62 games.

so, i think you are very wrong in your assessment

D+1 year Nylander didn’t play in the NHL
D+2 year Nylander had 13 points in 22 games playing over 16 minutes per night including 2:43 PPTOI/game

D+1 year Laf had 21 in 57 games with only 13 mins TOI and 1:17 PPTOI/game
D+2 year Laf has 22 in 62 with only 13 mins per game and only 1:13 PPTOI/game

Lafs production is far from elite but he’s played way more games than Nylander at the same stage of their career and isn’t getting a hell of a lot of opportunity. Give him 16 mins per game and almost 3 mins of PP time and he’s got way more than 22 points this year.

 

[Lays]

It would be impressive if the goals were impressive, but they aren't. I'm pretty sure 80-90% of Lafreniere's goals have been tap ins and goals scored off of him.

He has good hockey sense and positioning though.

I’m the first to knock Laffy typically but he’s scored some really nice goals. It seems like every one of his goals are a tap in or a beauty though. He also struggles with what Kakko struggles with and that’s trying to deke through the goalie instead of just shooting. Laf has a nasty shot but always takes a second longer than he should to shoot leading to it being deflected. Him and Kakko always seem so unsure with what they’re doing that if they just relied on instinct it feels like they’d have double the point total. Always shoot/pass when they should be doing the other. They end up making it way too obvious what they were planning to do

 

[AcerComputer]

Lafreniene is 20 years and 165 days old. Nylander was 20 years and 165 days old on Oct 9 2016 (give or take a day).

All though, I do admit that a year from now, Nylander's start will very likely eclipse Laf's.

And what season was starting on Oct 9 2016? The 2016-17 season where 20 year old Nylander scored 22 Goals 61 points. The same season Lafrenière is on right now at the same age, his 20 year old season.

 

[AcerComputer]

D+1 year Nylander didn’t play in the NHL
D+2 year Nylander had 13 points in 22 games playing over 16 minutes per night including 2:43 PPTOI/game

D+1 year Laf had 21 in 57 games with only 13 mins TOI and 1:17 PPTOI/game
D+2 year Laf has 22 in 62 with only 13 mins per game and only 1:13 PPTOI/game

Lafs production is far from elite but he’s played way more games than Nylander at the same stage of their career and isn’t getting a hell of a lot of opportunity. Give him 16 mins per game and almost 3 mins of PP time and he’s got way more than 22 points this year.

You are comparing a player who was one of the oldest players in their draft year vs one of the youngest players in his draft year. Nylander's 20 years old was the 2016-17 where he scored 22 goals 61 points. The same aged season Lafreniere is having this year. Age is measured in years and days, not in number of post draft seasons.

 

[Paul4587]

You are comparing a player who was one of the oldest players in their draft year vs one of the youngest players in his draft year. Nylander's 20 years old was the 2016-17 where he scored 22 goals 61 points. The same aged season Lafreniere is having this year. Age is measured in years and days, not in number of post draft seasons.

Nylander was born in May. It’s slightly young for his draft year but it’s hardly like there is a year difference between the two - without looking up Lafs DOB I believe it’s 7 months.

 

[sxvnert]

Nylander for a bust and a backup LOL

 

[AcerComputer]

Nylander was born in May. It’s slightly young for his draft year but it’s hardly like there is a year difference between the two - without looking up Lafs DOB I believe it’s 7 months.

So why would you count from his draft +1 and +2 years then? Nylander was simply 5 months older than Lafreniere was going into his 20 year old season.

 

[Paul4587]

So why would you count from his draft +1 and +2 years then? Nylander was simply 5 months older than Lafreniere was going into his 20 year old season.

If you want to be pedantic about it, Nylander still only had 13 points in 22 games when he was Lafs current age.

 

[AcerComputer]

If you want to be pedantic about it, Nylander still only had 13 points in 22 games when he was Lafs current age.

Again you are incorrect, but you are entitled to your own beliefs. Unfortunately you are not entitled to your own set of facts. Math is real.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

If Nylander is going for a goalie, I rather him and Mrazek for Gibson and Comtois

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Add Kakko then Dubas answers the phone

Will Dubas still be there to answer the phone?

 

[Hansman]

Laf is improving, I don't wanna trade him at all right now unless something really special comes back. When he plays a little higher in the lineup you can see the talent right away but when he doesn't get the ice-time and gets stuck in the bottom 6 he becomes invisible pretty fast...

Sounds like what happened to Caufield.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Will Dubas still be there to answer the phone?

Will anyone?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

People are really saying NYR says no here. Lol

Yup. Some of us understand what a "Salary Cap" is.

 

[Be a Hab]

Leafs are terrible

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Nylander is exactly type of player that Rangers and any team wanting to win a Cup should stay away from. Good luck getting big return for him. He would have to put up 1.5 points per game to justify a Cup contender wanting him.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Nylander is exactly type of player that Rangers and any team wanting to win a Cup should stay away from. Good luck getting big return for him. He would have to put up 1.5 points per game to justify a Cup contender wanting him.

Based off what exactly? Fyi he was the Leafs best player in last years playoffs.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Nylander is exactly type of player that Rangers and any team wanting to win a Cup should stay away from. Good luck getting big return for him. He would have to put up 1.5 points per game to justify a Cup contender wanting him.

To be so ignorant of a player and yet project such confidence in your incorrect statement takes a monumental ego.

 

[96]

Laf is about to be the lowest paid first overall pick of all time when he signs his extension. NYR fans, humble yourselves... Kakko is garbage too. Is he the worst 2nd OA pick recently?

Honestly, he's not even half the player Yakupov was in his first 2 seasons. And Yak is considered a huge bust? LOL

 

[bernmeister]

Laf is about to be the lowest paid first overall pick of all time when he signs his extension. NYR fans, humble yourselves... Kakko is garbage too. Is he the worst 2nd OA pick recently?

Honestly, he's not even half the player Yakupov was in his first 2 seasons. And Yak is considered a huge bust? LOL

Disingenuous.
obv timing is a factor here w/NYR cap next yr being extremely severe
A longer deal for each w/mo $ would be forthcoming if cap were available

As to the bold, don't bet on it