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Will PK Subban be a Hall of Famer when it is all said and done?

senior edler said:
What were his antics exectly? I can't remember a whole lot. I remember Mike Richards of the Flyers whined about him being cocky but Adam Oates whined about Hertl's between-the-legs goal so someone whining about something is not doing a whole lot for me per default.
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Could be referring to off-ice type stuff. Everyone in their right mind thought that the Weber deal was bad for Montreal at the time, because of Weber's age. Of course, I can't confirm this, but we heard a lot about him being a locker room cancer. I mean, why else would a team be willing trade for outright lower value, unless there's something there?
 
SedintoHorvat said:
No he has fallen off a cliff and his peak wasn't long enough to say he's already in.
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Agreed.

There are probably 20-30 Dmen in the NHL right now that either are HHOF players already or will be in the conversation when it's all said and done but PK isn't one of them.
 
senior edler said:
He won his Norris in a shortened season and he squeezed it out (mostly on offensive production) against not prime Chelios or Bourque or Lidström or Pronger or even Niedermayer but against Ryan Suter. Now I like Suter but he's not HHOF material either. And neither are Giordano or Burns.
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I think Giordano had an excellent case and then those 40ish games he missed in 14 and 15 robbed him of 2 probable top 1-5 Norris finishes.

With Burns it's hard to tell but time is running out for him to add to his resume.
 
Mike Richards whining about PK Subban came about much before Subban garnered Norris support.
 
senior edler said:
What were his antics exectly? I can't remember a whole lot. I remember Mike Richards of the Flyers whined about him being cocky but Adam Oates whined about Hertl's between-the-legs goal so someone whining about something is not doing a whole lot for me per default.
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Diving, trash talk, hot dogging, more diving...basically always making himself the center of attention.
 
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Mike Farkas said:
That's an interesting one, Subban over Letang...considering they're very similar, except Tanger is just a better version of him (minus the shot)...
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I didn't see it at first but PK at least stays healthy.

Letang is one of those guys that would be a HHOFer if he could have had more than 3 seasons with more than 71 GP in his prime.

Letang has a great 10 year prime but just way too many missed games.
 
scott clam said:
Diving, trash talk, hot dogging, more diving...basically always making himself the center of attention.
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It probably should be mentionned that it was Mike Richards who came up with this. Not someone that should be considered a good judge of character in the slightest.
 
MXD said:
It probably should be mentionned that it was Mike Richards who came up with this. Not someone that should be considered a good judge of character in the slightest.
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Yeah I watched the Montreal Canadiens a lot. Subban was a good player but also a grand embellisher. I remember when he was in Nashville trying to be a comedian talking about Crosby's "bad breath", playing him rough and trying to get into his head in the Stanley Cup Final. I also remember Crosby playfully smacking his head on the ice when the two were tangled. Well we all know how that series ended.
 
We can think of it this way:
about 31% of HHOF inductees are defensemen.
If 4 players get in on average from each birth year, then close to 48 players born between 1985 and 1996 are likely to get in, and they're pretty much all playing today. Some of the future Hall of Famers born between 1977 and 1984, and after 1997 aren't playing right now - if half of them are that means the total would be around the low 70s. If that's at all true and positional trends hold, that's 22 future Hall of Famers between Zdeno Chara and Rasmus Dahlin.
 
Please indulge me this little point of order: How is the topic of a current player being a future Hall of Fame inductee "The History of Hockey"? Unless I missed the last call for the time machine, in which case NVM. :huh:
 
DannyGallivan said:
These are all reasons that I think he will make it, on top of a very iffy resume, spotted with some nice accomplishments but a little thin overall.
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He's just not impactful anymore and I don't know why. This is ultra thin, even for the HHOF's wonky standards. But to be fair the standards for defensemen are still pretty good. Phil Housley got in, and I didn't like that a whole lot, but his career trumps Subban and it isn't even close. Housley at least scored his entire career, even in his Calgary years.
 
scott clam said:
Yeah I watched the Montreal Canadiens a lot. Subban was a good player but also a grand embellisher. I remember when he was in Nashville trying to be a comedian talking about Crosby's "bad breath", playing him rough and trying to get into his head in the Stanley Cup Final. I also remember Crosby playfully smacking his head on the ice when the two were tangled. Well we all know how that series ended.
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It ended with PK just literally giving up chasing Hagelin for the clinching empty netter in Game 6. PK is a great skater, and he let the puck get by him and didn't even chase the guy who confirmed the win with a goal. It just looked bad. I know that a career shouldn't be judged on that but it is why that guy is such a hot and cold fixture for his whole career.
 
The Roy Of Ottawa said:
He won the Norris in a shortened season.
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So what?

I never hear that Jagr and Lindros won the Art Ross and Hart trophies in a shortened season also, therefore we should put an asterik beside their names..

Also Subban won by a slim margin 1266 to 1230 over ryan suter and Letang wasn't that far behind with 914 voting points.

No it's not the strongest Norris ever but it is what it is.
 
imo a surprising stat re: subban’s generation of dmen—

suter: 1097 games, 84 goals, 470 assists, 554 pts

weber: 948 games, 210 goals, 342 assists, 552 pts

suter passed his old buddy in pts last season, though weber seems to be catching back up this year.
 
wetcoast said:
So what?

I never hear that Jagr and Lindros won the Art Ross and Hart trophies in a shortened season also, therefore we should put an asterik beside their names..

Also Subban won by a slim margin 1266 to 1230 over ryan suter and Letang wasn't that far behind with 914 voting points.

No it's not the strongest Norris ever but it is what it is.
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Probably more because it wasn't strong competition than in a shortened season. Everyone was "off" that year. Keith, Doughty, Weber, all were "meh". Karlsson missed most of the year. Even Letang was poised to probably win the Norris in a full year and he isn't usually in the mix at the top. Ryan Suter is a fine defensemen, but he won't get in the HHOF any closer than his uncle will. This was PK's best competition. And a few months later the reigning Norris winner barely played at the Olympics because of his high risk status. Look, if you asked me in 2014 I'd have said he's on his way. But he didn't peak high or long enough and if he's on the decline now, which he is I believe, then he just doesn't reach the standard for defensemen. Housley, Zubov, two of the weaker recent inductees, both at least had full careers and Housley did one thing right his whole career at least.
 
Big Phil said:
Probably more because it wasn't strong competition than in a shortened season. Everyone was "off" that year. Keith, Doughty, Weber, all were "meh". Karlsson missed most of the year. Even Letang was poised to probably win the Norris in a full year and he isn't usually in the mix at the top. Ryan Suter is a fine defensemen, but he won't get in the HHOF any closer than his uncle will. This was PK's best competition. And a few months later the reigning Norris winner barely played at the Olympics because of his high risk status. Look, if you asked me in 2014 I'd have said he's on his way. But he didn't peak high or long enough and if he's on the decline now, which he is I believe, then he just doesn't reach the standard for defensemen. Housley, Zubov, two of the weaker recent inductees, both at least had full careers and Housley did one thing right his whole career at least.
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Fair enough I also agree that he isn't on a HHOF track but he did win a Norris and deservedly so.

For the record I don't trophy count or SC count per say but rather look at all awards and SC with a critical eye to see how much that award or SC matters in each players respective career case or evaluation.
 
wetcoast said:
Fair enough I also agree that he isn't on a HHOF track but he did win a Norris and deservedly so.

For the record I don't trophy count or SC count per say but rather look at all awards and SC with a critical eye to see how much that award or SC matters in each players respective career case or evaluation.
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He could be a trivia question someday and join Carlyle and Wilson as the only Norris winners not to get in. I think Giordano just doesn`t have enough time to get in either. So there might be 4 soon.
 
Big Phil said:
He could be a trivia question someday and join Carlyle and Wilson as the only Norris winners not to get in. I think Giordano just doesn`t have enough time to get in either. So there might be 4 soon.
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I agree they will be the 4 Norris winners not in the HHOF.

That being said, they are all probably better players than Harry Howell who is in with his one Norris.
 
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