Whose fault is it that the bottom six stinks and your 2 shut down Ds (Scuds and orpik) only shut down the Pens offense ?? Certainly not Fleury's. This is RS's team and it is not built to win the cup. . There is not one goalie in the NHL that can make up for the Pen's deficiencies.
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Dupree13
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I'm going on record right now that the Pens will go on a deep run and Fleury will be the biggest reason. Potential Smythe candidate.
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He could do it, but I doubt it. Our system is designed to leave goalies out to dry. Lundqvist would suck under Bylsma.
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Dupree13
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No repercussions if I'm wrong but I will act all obnoxious if I end up being right.
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I may be older but I'm never forgetting #47 & #41
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I'm a little taken aback at the overwhelming negativity that is ruling the board. Pens definitely aren't the favorites but when healthy they have a line-up that is a threat to go deep.
My Fleury prediction is clearly audacious but I really believe this team is headed for the Eastern Finals.
My Fleury prediction is clearly audacious but I really believe this team is headed for the Eastern Finals.
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Most people here know a lot about hockey.
It is nothing but blind optimism to think the Pens are doing anything this year with a roster that has 30% replacement level players on it.
If they can replace Pyatt, Glass, Adams, MAF, and Scuds, maybe they have a chance. I am doubtful that they even recognize there is a problem with any one of these guys.
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MrBurghundy
I may be older but I'm never forgetting #47 & #41
And shouldn't be with Crosby and Malkin on the team. With A generational talent, you're expected to win. We have 2.
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Fleury makes spectacular saves as in the shootout, but he's still too scrambly in net. Even last night, that first goal against was partially because he was scrambling around instead of just quickly and cleanly getting back into a good position.
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Maybe, but it's debatable. Fleury has been absolutely stellar lately, though. If (/when) the Pens falter in the playoffs, I doubt Fleury will be one of the reasons why.
Til the End of Time
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you doubt the worst playoff goalie in the league and one of the worst of all-time will be a reason his team falters in the playoffs?
seems a bit optimistic.
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People on these boards generally feel that there is no point in going deep if you can't finish. They simply don't like being teased.
Me? I just like whatever experience I can get. Playoffs are fun
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Agree
Look MAF is mentally fragile and does OK in defensive oriented systems, but when hung out to dry in Jack Adams' genius scheme, is ready to crack any second once playoff pressure is on. He's done a great job reg season this year, whilst being regularly dangled out to dry, though we all know reg season is not the measuring stick. It was gob-smacking to me that they kept BOTH Bylsma and Fleury last year. Just astonishing. MAF could be fine as a Pen, under a different coach/scheme, but if you're gonna somehow hang onto Bylsma you MUST let Fleury go, and the opposite is true also, if you sh-t-can Bylsma, you could possibly keep MAF if you had a sufficiently defensively responsible system that didn't expect him to stop 12 turnover/odd-mans plus 27 rebounds a game. Keeping both was just sheer idiocy ( though certainly there may have been cap/negotiation/other issues that kept MAF here.) But whatever, here we are.
If MAF continues at this level he will be the least of our problems.
I think we are ALL going to wait to see if he can continue at this level once playoffs begin.
Look MAF is mentally fragile and does OK in defensive oriented systems, but when hung out to dry in Jack Adams' genius scheme, is ready to crack any second once playoff pressure is on. He's done a great job reg season this year, whilst being regularly dangled out to dry, though we all know reg season is not the measuring stick. It was gob-smacking to me that they kept BOTH Bylsma and Fleury last year. Just astonishing. MAF could be fine as a Pen, under a different coach/scheme, but if you're gonna somehow hang onto Bylsma you MUST let Fleury go, and the opposite is true also, if you sh-t-can Bylsma, you could possibly keep MAF if you had a sufficiently defensively responsible system that didn't expect him to stop 12 turnover/odd-mans plus 27 rebounds a game. Keeping both was just sheer idiocy ( though certainly there may have been cap/negotiation/other issues that kept MAF here.) But whatever, here we are.
If MAF continues at this level he will be the least of our problems.
I think we are ALL going to wait to see if he can continue at this level once playoffs begin.
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So basically you'll take my stance towards the great Jordan Staal debate?
I'll never turn down an opportunity to show my critics/haters that I was right in the end
Yep, Staal might finish the season with under 40 points. Haha. But I thought he had so much top end talent and the Pens were holding him back! Is that not true?!?!
Jeez.. I really regret not being able to sign him to a $5M+ deal for 10 years. Those 40 point getters don't grow on trees these days.
If you take an unpopular opinion that goes against the mainstream concensus… and you turn out to be 100% right, gotta take some victory laps right?
If the defense and Flower are on top of their games, we are one of the cup favourites. Period!!!!
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The defense , as it is playing right now, will put a ton of pressure on MAF, which,while he has mostly withstood it in reg season, does NOT have a history of overcoming it in playoffs. I fear it could get ugly.
The defense , as it is playing right now, will put a ton of pressure on MAF, which,while he has mostly withstood it in reg season, does NOT have a history of overcoming it in playoffs. I fear it could get ugly.
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I do. Fleury has been horribad in the playoffs, but even so it's somehow become overblown on HF. At the end of the day, Fleury - AND HIS TEAM - have played horribly for a few years in a row in the playoffs. Again, I think we're going to get curb stomped in the playoffs this year, but I'm willing to make any reasonable wager with any HFer that it won't be because Fleury has another sub .900 SV% performance where he's bobbling pucks a la the Islanders series.
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The MAF Hate on this board is amusing. Last night on a freak deflection half the board had an aneurysm. Get a grip, people. This team is a nightmare for a goalie, even one who is strong mentally. This team does NOT box out. It does NOT clear the net so the G can see/make a save/manage a rebound. The Genius Jack Adams BreakOut Scheme has about 100 foot gaps open up between the D and the O, inviting ridiculous odd mans the other way if someone doesn't hit a 120 ft tape to tape pass perfectly. Get a grip.
MAF is mentally fragile and is the worst type of G to play for a rocket scientist like Bylsma. In a defensively oriented scheme he is fine, and he should have been shipped out last year once Shero decided to marry himself to Bylsma.
It is what it is. MAF FWiw seems much more stable this year, so let's hope it continues. Because Bylsma is still the coach, and still plays the worst D possible, in a scheme that they cannot execute. Get used to it.
The MAF Hate on this board is amusing. Last night on a freak deflection half the board had an aneurysm. Get a grip, people. This team is a nightmare for a goalie, even one who is strong mentally. This team does NOT box out. It does NOT clear the net so the G can see/make a save/manage a rebound. The Genius Jack Adams BreakOut Scheme has about 100 foot gaps open up between the D and the O, inviting ridiculous odd mans the other way if someone doesn't hit a 120 ft tape to tape pass perfectly. Get a grip.
MAF is mentally fragile and is the worst type of G to play for a rocket scientist like Bylsma. In a defensively oriented scheme he is fine, and he should have been shipped out last year once Shero decided to marry himself to Bylsma.
It is what it is. MAF FWiw seems much more stable this year, so let's hope it continues. Because Bylsma is still the coach, and still plays the worst D possible, in a scheme that they cannot execute. Get used to it.
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These mirror my thoughts. Our defensive zone play as a team has been atrocious for months on end. Through it all MAF has looked pretty good. Goals like the first one against the Wings last night happen to any team, let alone one as defensively inept as the Pens against a team as opportunistic as the Wings. Again, I'm open to wagers if anybody wants to make my below .900 SV% bet (this would be akin to a repeat performance of Fleury's last few duds in the playoffs). I just don't see it happening this year.
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Fleury has one job.. to stop pucks from going into the back of the net, especially during the playoffs.
He hasn't exactly done a great job of that the past 4 years. In fact, statistically he is the worst among all NHL goaltenders at doing that job.
If you can't understand the criticism, well... then I don't know what to say. You might want to get reacquainted with reality.
Yup.
Y'know I don't hold the first goal last night against MAF at all. I think we all just flinched/had PTSD cost it was a rebound off the back boards. But really, MAF was in good position, Nisky whiffed on a bouncing puck, and most importantly, Letang had ZERO clue of the guy behind him who whacked it in.
That's all. It happens. Letang has to improve his awareness, but he's just coming back off a 10 week layoff.
Y'know I don't hold the first goal last night against MAF at all. I think we all just flinched/had PTSD cost it was a rebound off the back boards. But really, MAF was in good position, Nisky whiffed on a bouncing puck, and most importantly, Letang had ZERO clue of the guy behind him who whacked it in.
That's all. It happens. Letang has to improve his awareness, but he's just coming back off a 10 week layoff.
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