Will Alex Turcotte have a spot in LA?

[funky]

Alex can still turn into a Gabe.

I wouldn’t mind him taking the whole year off and coming back next year.

If Clarke doesn’t hit as a star player this organization went 0-4 with high 1st round picks.

Clarke is doing well and had one of the best offensive years as a Dman in the OHL

Gabe just turned it around and netted us PLD

Byfield rejuvenated the 1st line at 20 years old, got better as the season went in and he started gaining back weight and strength. 3 goals sucks but I think we see a vast improvement this year.

So that leaves an injury prone Turcotte to bitch about. I guess he could have tried better to avoid Englund’s illegal head hit but he was becoming a line driver just before it happened. Thank God we didn’t draft a Justin Williams or this board would have massacred him as well.

Yes this year Turcotte has to stay healthy and show why he was drafted high or he may be written off. He will never be a Zegras but man he could end up landing somewhere between an Iafallo and a Williams which would very much help this team. Just hope he can stay healthy to see what we actually have.

 

[YP44]

Ideally, Turcotte replaces Iafallo and produces similar numbers, but his body seems to only withstand 30-40 games a season. I won’t be confident in him until he can put together a full, healthy season in Ontario.

at which point he will be out of waivers and lost next year.
IF he can stay healthy I would like him to play 15+ in the NHL at the ass end of the season. Let management know if they have an NHL guy or not before he runs out of waivers.

 

[King'sPawn]

at which point he will be out of waivers and lost next year.
IF he can stay healthy I would like him to play 15+ in the NHL at the ass end of the season. Let management know if they have an NHL guy or not before he runs out of waivers.

This is why 5-7 year plans is dangerous. By the time your players are starting to get their groove, you either have to commit players to the roster or risk losing them on waivers.

Though with Thomas and Turcotte, injuries were big contributing factors.

But setting it out as a plan leads to unnecessary risky sacrifices.

 

[YP44]

This is why 5-7 year plans is dangerous. By the time your players are starting to get their groove, you either have to commit players to the roster or risk losing them on waivers.

Though with Thomas and Turcotte, injuries were big contributing factors.

But setting it out as a plan leads to unnecessary risky sacrifices.

it's hard cause the flip side is you don't want to rush a kid either. I like the cup of coffee, or even extended look at younger ages. Helps give the player a goal post on what to look at, also give the organization an idea of what they have before it is too late.

 

[kingsfan28]

This is why 5-7 year plans is dangerous. By the time your players are starting to get their groove, you either have to commit players to the roster or risk losing them on waivers.

Though with Thomas and Turcotte, injuries were big contributing factors.

But setting it out as a plan leads to unnecessary risky sacrifices.

I thought for sure Thomas and even Madden would've played by now. Probably should've sold high on Thomas after the golden goal.

 

[SmytheKing]

Clarke is doing well and had one of the best offensive years as a Dman in the OHL

Gabe just turned it around and netted us PLD

Byfield rejuvenated the 1st line at 20 years old, got better as the season went in and he started gaining back weight and strength. 3 goals sucks but I think we see a vast improvement this year.

So that leaves an injury prone Turcotte to bitch about. I guess he could have tried better to avoid Englund’s illegal head hit but he was becoming a line driver just before it happened. Thank God we didn’t draft a Justin Williams or this board would have massacred him as well.

Yes this year Turcotte has to stay healthy and show why he was drafted high or he may be written off. He will never be a Zegras but man he could end up landing somewhere between an Iafallo and a Williams which would very much help this team. Just hope he can stay healthy to see what we actually have.

Huh? Williams played 86% of all possible games in his first six years. He missed 41 with a torn MCL and like 20 for a broken wrist in his rookie year. Other than that he played pretty much every game. Oh, he also didn't play in the AHL and had like 100 NHL goals by then too.

I'd have LOVED to have gotten that production out of Turcotte.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Boooooriiing...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

it's hard cause the flip side is you don't want to rush a kid either. I like the cup of coffee, or even extended look at younger ages. Helps give the player a goal post on what to look at, also give the organization an idea of what they have before it is too late.

Yeah, there's no reason Turcotte especially but others like Fagemo and Thomas shouldn't have gotten extended looks in at least the 2nd line minutes range.

Fagemo scoring two goals and promptly digging splinters out of his ass is like...come on.

It's the ongoing kicking the can down the road "we can't play the kids because they're not ready" so they aren't becoming ready and it's hard ot know if they'll ever be once you start pushing 5 years.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Kaliyev has more career goals than Turcotte has games played but people are putting Turcotte on the second line. Okay.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kaliyev has more career goals than Turcotte has games played but people are putting Turcotte on the second line. Okay.

Christ, you couldn't deliberately misread that harder.

Hint: replace "Turcotte" in my quote with "Kaliyev" or really just about any 1st or 2nd rounder from 2017 on and it'll be the same point and you'll realize you're agreeing with me but just being argumentative for no real reason.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Christ, you couldn't deliberately misread that harder.

Hint: replace "Turcotte" in my quote with "Kaliyev" or really just about any 1st or 2nd rounder from 2017 on and it'll be the same point and you'll realize you're agreeing with me but just being argumentative for no real reason.

I wasn’t replying to you at all, RJ. But alright.

 

[kings11]

maybe it's just the pic (or just me), but Turc looks to have really small hips and lower body frame. But it could just be the pic

In NFL terms he has narrow hips, a term often used on RBs when projected if they’ll be able to handle the punishment of the position and whether or not they’ll be able to add significant mass to their frame..

 

[Schrute farms]

In NFL terms he has narrow hips

That's how i like my women -- but not what I want on the guys on my NHL/NFL teams.

 

[kings11]

That's how i like my women -- but not what I want on the guys on my NHL/NFL teams.

Lmao..

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kaliyev has more career goals than Turcotte has games played but people are putting Turcotte on the second line. Okay.

Well forgive me for misreading then but no one but me in the last month has even said the words second line and it was right after my post so I figured you were indirectly responding. My bad.

I do think we agree, whatever the player we're discussing is--if you're drafting a bunch of 1st and 2nd rounders for offensive potential you want to give them a good long look in 'scoring'/'future job' positions for development purposes, especially when guys are hurt, especially when theyr'e coming up on waiver eligibility deadlines. It's so ass backwards that none of Turcotte, Kaliyev, Fagemo, and to some degree Kupari, Thomas et. al. have gotten those opporunities, and it took Byfield until nearly January this year to even get a SNIFF of the top 6, hell some of those guys were even glued to the bottom six for extended stints in the AHL.

I know it's a little chicken and egg of an argument--do you put a guy there before he's ready to prove what he can do, or how does he prove he's ready--but when they're literally ALL busting, that shows on the development, not the drafting. Not one single one of those draftees from 2017 onward is playing up to expectations. With the notable exception of Mikey Anderson, who they were ready to baptize early for some reason, and to dramatically awesome results...

In Turcotte's case, sure, he got a third line cup of coffee and went down. No problem with that. Why not give the dude a shot next to Danault or Kopitar for a 10-game stint? He clearly wasn't HURTING the team or in over his head completely--let him struggle with the comp a little and try to figure out the rubix cube, and send him down with homework. Don't just play him 10 minutes a game with f***ing Athanasiou and the reanimated corpse of Brown and then go "oh well" and never see him again. Same thing they did with Byfield and lo and behold, play him with skilled players and he can suddenly make more skilled plays...a playmaker like Turcotte needs teammates with IQ and pace.

 

[Herby]

Turcotte's ceiling is probably what Moore has been the last couple of seasons, and playing that role is where Moore is now, a third liner on a team that is trying to contend. In an ideal world you replace the $4m third line LW with a $900k one in Turcotte and put that $3m to better use, like upgrading goaltending. It's disappointing you don't even have that from a player taken so high by now. Maybe by the end of the year we are closer to that point and Moore can be moved on from.

I don’t understand the rationale for those who want him in a scoring role when he hasn’t really produced at any levels above the NTDP. I think the Kings figured it out pretty quickly when he was at UW that he wasn’t going to be a scoring line center, that was why Fox said what he did to Jessie, but then got scolded by the powers that be for stating the obvious. Because Blake, Yanetti and Murray like to admit defeat on picks about as much as my 9 year old likes to admit defeat at Monopoly.

 

[Telos]

Turcotte on the second line? While the Koala is behind the bench, I don't think that is possible even if he deserved it by some miracle.

 

[Herby]

Turcotte on the second line? While the Koala is behind the bench, I don't think that is possible even if he deserved it by some miracle.

Byfield did play most of the year on the 1st line, and he really didn’t deserve it. I would bet that Kaliyev is in a scoring line role this season.

I think Clarke is very clearly the crown jewel of this rebuild, so it will be interesting to see what happens as far as deployment goes this season.

McLellan has played younger players in previous stops and gotten results from players who were to young to be impactful (if you listen to people like Yannetti and Murray)

Devin Setoguchi scored 30 goals in his age 21 season. (Byfield’s age this year)

Couture also scored 30 goals in his age 21 season.

Hertl scored at 30+ goal pace for half a season as 20 year old before Brown took him out.

Draisaitl and McDavid obviously both produced as very young players.

I still have a tough time subscribing to the belief that had LA drafted any of say Stutzle, Caufield, Suzuki, Boldy, Miller or Raymond that TM would have held them back. Historical evidence says otherwise.

 

[Schmooley]

Byfield did play most of the year on the 1st line, and he really didn’t deserve it. I would bet that Kaliyev is in a scoring line role this season.

I think Clarke is very clearly the crown jewel of this rebuild, so it will be interesting to see what happens as far as deployment goes this season.

McLellan has played younger players a lot in previous stops.

Devin Setoguchi scored 30 goals in his age 21 season. (Byfield’s age this year)

Couture also scored 30 goals in his age 21 season.

Hertl scored at 30+ goal pace for half a season as 20 year old before Brown took him out.

Draisaitl and McDavid obviously both produced as very young players.

Why didnt Byfield deserve it? He started on the third line centering Vilardi and Iafallo. According to opposing coaches it was the Kings best line and specifically wanted to contain them. After injuries broke that up and no one sticking on the first line Byfield did. They were better with him than without him on that line.
Youd think when you draft lottery prospects they deserve it from day 1 for all the work and excellence they displayed to get to that point of being a top 5-10 pick out of everyone in their age in the entire world.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Well forgive me for misreading then but no one but me in the last month has even said the words second line and it was right after my post so I figured you were indirectly responding. My bad.

I do think we agree, whatever the player we're discussing is--if you're drafting a bunch of 1st and 2nd rounders for offensive potential you want to give them a good long look in 'scoring'/'future job' positions for development purposes, especially when guys are hurt, especially when theyr'e coming up on waiver eligibility deadlines. It's so ass backwards that none of Turcotte, Kaliyev, Fagemo, and to some degree Kupari, Thomas et. al. have gotten those opporunities, and it took Byfield until nearly January this year to even get a SNIFF of the top 6, hell some of those guys were even glued to the bottom six for extended stints in the AHL.

I know it's a little chicken and egg of an argument--do you put a guy there before he's ready to prove what he can do, or how does he prove he's ready--but when they're literally ALL busting, that shows on the development, not the drafting. Not one single one of those draftees from 2017 onward is playing up to expectations. With the notable exception of Mikey Anderson, who they were ready to baptize early for some reason, and to dramatically awesome results...

In Turcotte's case, sure, he got a third line cup of coffee and went down. No problem with that. Why not give the dude a shot next to Danault or Kopitar for a 10-game stint? He clearly wasn't HURTING the team or in over his head completely--let him struggle with the comp a little and try to figure out the rubix cube, and send him down with homework. Don't just play him 10 minutes a game with f***ing Athanasiou and the reanimated corpse of Brown and then go "oh well" and never see him again. Same thing they did with Byfield and lo and behold, play him with skilled players and he can suddenly make more skilled plays...a playmaker like Turcotte needs teammates with IQ and pace.

Kilowatt posted a lineup with Turcotte on the second line just a couple pages back. Don’t be so eager to bite someone’s head off lol.

I would love for Turcotte to get more of an opportunity in the NHL but until he can stay healthy I think his options are limited.

 

[Herby]

Why didnt Byfield deserve it? He started on the third line centering Vilardi and Iafallo. According to opposing coaches it was the Kings best line and specifically wanted to contain them. After injuries broke that up and no one sticking on the first line Byfield did. They were better with him than without him on that line.
Youd think when you draft lottery prospects they deserve it from day 1 for all the work and excellence they displayed to get to that point of being a top 5-10 pick out of everyone in their age in the entire world.

You don’t usually see players who score 3 goals over 55 games playing the majority of the season as a 1st line winger.

 

[johnjm22]

You see forwards playing in the top 6 of good teams all the time who aren't necessarily productive scorers.

Sometimes you have complimentary type players on the wing of your 1st or 2nd line. Guys like Moore/Iafallo/Turcotte can potentially be those types.

The whole top 6 / bottom 6 dichotomy is kind of passe anyways. It's more of a top 9 nowadays.

 

[Schmooley]

You don’t usually see players who score 3 goals over 55 games playing the majority of the season as a 1st line winger.

Yea his goal totals have to improve. They were smart to put him in that spot though and should have from day 1 when he was drafted. He would be further along now. I cant remember but I think you and I even advocated for him to play next to Kopitar in the beginning.

 

[Herby]

Yea his goal totals have to improve. They were smart to put him in that spot though and should have from day 1 when he was drafted. He would be further along now. I cant remember but I think you and I even advocated for him to play next to Kopitar in the beginning.

I am not crazy about the turning centers to wingers, especially with guys you use such high picks on. The Kings did it with #2, #5 and #11 picks. It’s just greatly wasting the value of the picks. Vilardi I think they had no choice but if you are taking wingers at 2 and 5 they better be star wingers to get a decent ROI on it.

 

[Schmooley]

I am not crazy about the turning centers to wingers, especially with guys you use such high picks on. The Kings did it with #2, #5 and #11 picks. It’s just greatly wasting the value of the picks. Vilardi I think they had no choice but if you are taking wingers at 2 and 5 they better be star wingers to get a decent ROI on it.

I just thought it would have been a good way to ease him into the lineup instead of playing him between AA and Brown that first year.